Today I received one of these little guys in its original plastic case :). I bought it on Ebay because I wanted a mouse for the plus and it was cheap, but I still did not try it at all. I was quite surprised when I received the mouse because everything is in excellent condition, box included. I would say that it saw almost no use at all although it is a bit yellow, as expected. I wonder if some of you has this mouse as well and can give me some advice :D.
Quote from: ||C|-|E|| on 15:38, 27 August 15
Today I received one of these little guys in its original plastic case :) . I bought it on Ebay because I wanted a mouse for the plus and it was cheap, but I still did not try it at all. I was quite surprised when I received the mouse because everything is in excellent condition, box included. I would say that it saw almost no use at all although it is a bit yellow, as expected. I wonder if some of you has this mouse as well and can give me some advice :D .
Yes it's usable on a CPC, but you need the DKTronics Mouse Interface which is powered from the expansion port and connects to the Joystick ports.
More comfortable to use the then AMX Mouse, but missing the middle button. Still just a mouse emulating a joystick so no nice proportional movement or anything nice like that. One of these was my main mouse for years until I got a symbiface II.
I modified my Mouse Interface to take it's power from the 6128_ analog socket rather than the expansion port tidying my desk at the same time ;)
Craig
Cool then! I still do not have a mouse interface, but I am sure I will eventually find one :)
@talrek (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1195) can maybe reproduce them???
Quote from: TFM on 19:53, 27 August 15
@talrek (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1195) can maybe reproduce them???
Well I was just thinking about building a new batch of 10 [emoji6]
I think it is time to order components [emoji2]
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If you are on it, I will buy one for sure!!! :D
I would take one too :)
Quote from: TFM on 22:52, 27 August 15
I would take one too :)
Ok no problem, we are still talking about USB Bryce's mouse adapter aren't we ?
Nope. The GM-7 wouldn't work with my interface. I assume they are asking whether you would clone the original Genius Mouse interface or the DK'tronics interface that also worked with a BUS mouse.
Bryce.
Bryce is right :)
Anyway, I would be happy to buy an USB mouse adapter as well and give it a try. I could also buy it as a kit, I do not care :) .
Should be nice to have a table showing the differents mice adapters on CPC and the software compatibility for each of them. :)
Why? One OS to rule em all![nb]The lord of the mice! :laugh: [/nb]
Ok, good idea!
Quote from: TotO on 13:30, 28 August 15
Should be nice to have a table showing the differents mice adapters on CPC and the software compatibility for each of them. :)
Good idea !
Quote from: Bryce on 12:53, 28 August 15
Nope. The GM-7 wouldn't work with my interface. I assume they are asking whether you would clone the original Genius Mouse interface or the DK'tronics interface that also worked with a BUS mouse.
Bryce.
Ok, it is why i asked to confirm it ;-)
So i was looking to the pcb pictures of the DK'tronics interface (on the cpcwiki).
It is very simple, i saw the expansion port connection is only used for the powering ? In this case wouldn't it be more interesting to do a little interface to be plugged in directly on the joystick port, and a cable for power on just like the usb mouse interface ?
Still i see just some details.
1 - can't see the electrolytic capacitor value
2 - can't see the "green" resistor value (vertical)
3 - several lines are hidden under the ICs
Perhaps it would be easier if someone who as it can take "extra-detailed" pictures
I own the DK Mouse Expansion. I will take a look next Saturday.
That would we great! Looking at the CPCWiki pictures it seems a very simple board. It would be great if we managed to clone it :D
Quote from: talrek on 22:08, 28 August 15
So i was looking to the pcb pictures of the DK'tronics interface (on the cpcwiki).
It is very simple, i saw the expansion port connection is only used for the powering ? In this case wouldn't it be more interesting to do a little interface to be plugged in directly on the joystick port, and a cable for power on just like the usb mouse interface ?
Still i see just some details.
1 - can't see the electrolytic capacitor value
2 - can't see the "green" resistor value (vertical)
3 - several lines are hidden under the ICs
Perhaps it would be easier if someone who as it can take "extra-detailed" pictures
Electrolytic = Smoothing capacitor, value isn't critical, slap in a 100µf and you're fine. For the other bits it would be better to get the device and do a full schematic.
Bryce.
I agree it is the better way. I'm ready if somebody wants to send me one. I will send it back one week after. Of course shipment is for me ;-)
I was thinking : What do we want here ?
- 100% clone (size, components ?)
- new clone : power from the 5v power plug instead of expansion port, plugged directly in the Joystick port, minimum size, SMD or through-hole components ?
- Other device ? a unique board with 3 outputs : usb mouse (Bryce), joystick port and dk'tronics ? It should be simple to do.
If someone wants to sell me a dk'tronics interface , he is welcome
Quote from: talrek on 20:11, 29 August 15
I agree it is the better way. I'm ready if somebody wants to send me one. I will send it back one week after. Of course shipment is for me ;-)
I was thinking : What do we want here ?
- 100% clone (size, components ?)
- new clone : power from the 5v power plug instead of expansion port, plugged directly in the Joystick port, minimum size, SMD or through-hole components ?
- Other device ? a unique board with 3 outputs : usb mouse (Bryce), joystick port and dk'tronics ? It should be simple to do.
If someone wants to sell me a dk'tronics interface , he is welcome
I've got one you can have.... It's very battered as I modded it to be powered from the plus analog port many years ago.
Quote from: talrek on 20:11, 29 August 15
I agree it is the better way. I'm ready if somebody wants to send me one. I will send it back one week after. Of course shipment is for me ;-)
I was thinking : What do we want here ?
- 100% clone (size, components ?)
- new clone : power from the 5v power plug instead of expansion port, plugged directly in the Joystick port, minimum size, SMD or through-hole components ?
- Other device ? a unique board with 3 outputs : usb mouse (Bryce), joystick port and dk'tronics ? It should be simple to do.
If someone wants to sell me a dk'tronics interface , he is welcome
I guess that a new board with 3 outputs would be the very best :) :) :)
Exactly! :)
Wow that's really great Craig. You're awesome. I will do the reverse pcb files and publish it on the wiki for everybody.
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Hi,
thanks to @CraigsBar (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=482) who sent me his card.
i'm drawing it to clone it after. I didn't decide how i will power it... Expansion (like the original) or from the monitor, and then to the CPC (like Bryce's mouse adapter)...
Once cloned, I'll buy one. I still have a genius busmouse too.
I will buy another one, of course :D
Well i didn't decide of how it will look like :
- Same as the original (Pcb and components)
- Minimum size, it plugs in the joystick port and has a cable for the power
- Mx4 Format (plugs on the expansion port, or motherX4 ) for powering it, and with a cable to plug into the joystick port...
So much possibilities ...
If you have some ideas, you're welcome
Wasting an MX4 port only for power supply is imho a bad idea. 4 Slots are few enough, I would need 7 already!
Now, the minimal solution sound great to me, I would take one. :)
I would also like it for the joystick port! Seems the easiest way to plug it because, as TFM said, the MX4 only has 4 slots :).
Quote from: talrek on 17:55, 30 September 15
Well i didn't decide of how it will look like :
- Same as the original (Pcb and components)
- Minimum size, it plugs in the joystick port and has a cable for the power
- Mx4 Format (plugs on the expansion port, or motherX4 ) for powering it, and with a cable to plug into the joystick port...
So much possibilities ...
If you have some ideas, you're welcome
I'd vote for minimal size and powered from the 5v monitor supply or the plus analogue port.
I finished the schematics, still i won't publish them until i'm sure it works :laugh:
BTW is there a way to test without a genius mouse for exemple ?
Quote from: talrek on 19:36, 04 October 15
I finished the schematics, still i won't publish them until i'm sure it works [emoji23]
BTW is there a way to test without a genius mouse for exemple ?
I can *loan* you a genius mouse if you cannot find one more locally.
I also have mine here, waiting for the board ;) . Problem is that I did not test it, it would be better to try with one you know that works for sure :D
Or perhaps...
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=111769935792&alt=web
But my crowd funding days are over for a week or so.
Crazy expensive!!!
Seems a bit to expensive, yes... :( I paid half for my unit and it is in equal condition, if not better.
There is a buy it now one up there too at 50% more still lol.
I think it's gonna be hard to find one ... :o I didn't know it was made with gold inside !!! ::)
Quote from: talrek on 09:22, 05 October 15
I think it's gonna be hard to find one ... :o I didn't know it was made with gold inside !!! ::)
ROFL.
Quote from: talrek on 09:22, 05 October 15
I think it's gonna be hard to find one ... :o I didn't know it was made with gold inside !!! ::)
I think that some unicorns were killed in the process of making them as well. The box is made with their horns. Luckily, I can borrow you mine. Problem is that I still do not know if it works fine or not! :D
Ok, it should look like this... all SMD to be the smallest.. 4x5 cm
If you want through-hole components, no problem, but it will be longer...
It looks tiny and pretty!
I do not see the problem with the SMD unless I have to solder everything by myself! ;D
ROFL. Ditto!
Very nice. Put the sub-d connectors on the edge of the PCB and it will be almost non-existant :D
Bryce.
Ok, so extreme minimizing.... that's it ! :o :o
3x3 cm !!! :laugh:
I just realised I have not posted the mouse yet.... And now just realised I have not *found* the mouse yet.
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Quote from: CraigsBar on 19:08, 17 October 15
I just realised I have not posted the mouse yet.... And now just realised I have not *found* the mouse yet.
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:laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: talrek on 20:01, 17 October 15
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The good news.....
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/17/ab7930d445c6d0e0473ba14cc64619f1.jpg)
... And the bad....
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/17/92de8fa13997cf7c409f3b8c3178d69b.jpg)
... it's 'round here somewhere, I'll keep looking!
What the hell :( :picard:
Did you buy it and came like that?
Leave some cheese out for it tonight and it might come back :)
Bryce.
No, take beacon, work way better. ;)
Lol. Since we have had a cat adopt our house, I blame her!
You need a dog to chase the cat :P
No way, cats are divine! :)
Ok, we made it!
[nb]Eventually derailed another thread. :) :) :) [/nb]
No problem with mice at home, i have 3 maine coons ;D So even dogs are afraid !!! :P
More interesting, i have ordered the pcbs. I had to order new MF2 pcb, so i did it also for the dktronic-mouse-interface-clone AKA "
"D-MIC" If you have better ideas for the name you are welcome.
Ok, finally i bought a genius Mouse from Ebay, it cost me an arm, a leg and an eye, but i should receive it in a couple of days...
Price of these pieces of peripherical are very expensive... 40€ the mouse in complete box :o :o
But to test all the cards to make or to be make after, i had no choice. ;D
Let´s see how it works!! :D I am really looking forward to connect the mouse to the Amstrad, too bad you had to pay quite a lot for yours :(
Quote from: talrek on 09:14, 20 October 15
Ok, finally i bought a genius Mouse from Ebay, it cost me an arm, a leg and an eye, but i should receive it in a couple of days...
Price of these pieces of peripherical are very expensive... 40€ the mouse in complete box :o :o
But to test all the cards to make or to be make after, i had no choice. ;D
Just sell it with the last interface for 90 bucks and it will be all good. They pay every price now on ebay. :-X
EDIT: Here is one more...
Genius Mouse GM 7 Boxed Atari St 520 1040 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genius-Mouse-GM-7-Boxed-Atari-ST-520-1040-/271966802263?hash=item3f527c1157:g:dJYAAOSwgQ9V23o7)
Quote from: TFM on 15:48, 20 October 15
Just sell it with the last interface for 90 bucks and it will be all good. They pay every price now on ebay. :-X
EDIT: Here is one more...
Genius Mouse GM 7 Boxed Atari St 520 1040 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genius-Mouse-GM-7-Boxed-Atari-ST-520-1040-/271966802263?hash=item3f527c1157:g:dJYAAOSwgQ9V23o7)
I don't understand, he seems to say it is ATARI ST compatible :o is it true ? so Atari's Mice are also working on CPC ?
Dunno about this case, but...
Since a long time I use an AtariST proportional mouse on my 6128 (not working with Plus). All it need is an easy joystick adapter and a 5 V supply for the mouse. FutureOS supports it too. Let me see if I find a link...
Atari-ST mouse adapter - CPCWiki (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Atari-ST_mouse_adapter)
I also use an AtariST trackball this way for FutureOS and G-Paint 2.0 - very smooth and nice. :)
Well when i have time i will try to connect an atari mouse to Craigsbar's dktronic to see if it works... :)
But the ebay seller may not know what he is selling... :laugh:
Quote from: talrek on 09:13, 21 October 15
Well when i have time i will try to connect an atari mouse to Craigsbar's dktronic to see if it works... :)
But the ebay seller may not know what he is selling... [emoji23]
Lol, now *that* would be a first.
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Well now i've got mine too 8) 8)
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And that is just great! :D
Quote from: talrek on 17:05, 24 October 15
Well now i've got mine too 8) 8)
Does it work? Any first results? Sorry, I'm curious and impatient by nature. :)
No i didn't try, the pcbs are on their way , just a couple of weeks to wait :laugh:
Quote from: CraigsBar on 12:30, 21 October 15
Lol, now *that* would be a first.
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Believe it or not, he sells his mouse as Atari's mouse... He is right, it is fully compatible i tried it with an Atari ST. So i was able to verify my recent mouse was fully functionnal :D
So, Genius mouse is compatible with Spectrum, Amstrad and Atari without any modification. It shoud be also Amiga compatible (two wires to invert)