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Title: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: RWAP on 20:50, 12 February 15
Having done the replacement CPC664 Keyboard Membranes, I was wondering if there is a market for any other types at the moment.

I know tradeinpost has some for the 464+/6128+ but are there any other membranes in short supply?
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: TFM on 21:15, 12 February 15
Well, I would be interrested in one for the 664 and two for the 6128. So if somebody want's to do a batch. I would take few.

Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: netmercer on 22:28, 12 February 15
Yes, I would be interested in an keyboard Membrane for the CPC 6128, too.
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: Bryce on 11:29, 13 February 15
Yes, Classic 6128 would ne nice to have.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: paradroid90 on 11:34, 13 February 15
I would say there is a market for 6128 Membranes, a friend of mine searched high and low to get one for mine  :)
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: Lazy Dude on 12:22, 13 February 15
+1 on the 6128 jobbies.
Anyone know if there is any improvement in performance or if its a better spec of materials?
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: Hellraiser on 21:25, 04 March 15
Would be also interested for both a 6128 and a 6128+....
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: RWAP on 20:48, 17 February 17
Well, after all this time, I haven't got around to making 6128 membranes - there does not seem enough people in need of them at the moment....

What about classic 464 membranes?  I have had a few messages from people looking for these but not enough yet to warrant a production run.  In the meantime, I wanted to check if there was more than one version of the keyboard membrane (I know there was also a PCB used on some models). Any chance we could collect the part numbers stamped on the keyboard membranes?  It would be particularly important to check what membrane is used on the Schneider CPC. If there are several parts numbers, then I will need some more examples (they don't need to be working) to compare and see if we can actually merge two or more membranes to make one replacement...
For starters, the membrane I have is marked:
U24FP10-R2-C-3 (and U24FP11-R2-Ag-3)
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: JonB on 21:19, 18 February 17
@RWAP (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=788): "If you build it, they will come."
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: RWAP on 22:14, 18 February 17
Quote from: JonB on 21:19, 18 February 17
@RWAP (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=788): "If you build it, they will come."

If only it were so simple... It is a huge investment risk to take that they will work on all CPC464s (without the PCB keyboard) and that enough people will need them!
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: robcfg on 00:36, 19 February 17
I think the Amstrad Plus membranes were more fragile than 464 and 6128 ones, do you have some of these?


Maybe it would be a good idea to ask if those are needed, as there are no keyboard membrane variants in the Plus series.
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: RWAP on 10:25, 19 February 17
The 464+/6128+ membranes are still available as NOS from tradeinpost.com  :D
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: reidrac on 10:39, 19 February 17
And anyone knows anything about 464 membranes availability?

My 464 is starting to have problems with some keys. Perhaps a clean might do it, but it may not...
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: RWAP on 10:46, 19 February 17
Quote from: reidrac on 10:39, 19 February 17
And anyone knows anything about 464 membranes availability?

My 464 is starting to have problems with some keys. Perhaps a clean might do it, but it may not...

No-one offers 464 membranes that I know of.  If you take yours out to clean it - can you check the part number so we can start compiling a list in case there are several different membranes!  Fingers crossed a clean will fix it
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: reidrac on 11:34, 19 February 17
Quote from: RWAP on 10:46, 19 February 17
No-one offers 464 membranes that I know of.  If you take yours out to clean it - can you check the part number so we can start compiling a list in case there are several different membranes!  Fingers crossed a clean will fix it

Yes, I'll try cleaning it. I'm not looking forward to it though, I'm not good doing these things; I'm more a software kind of person :D
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: 00WReX on 09:33, 30 September 19
Looks like all the 664 membranes are now sold...


https://www.sellmyretro.com/offer/details/*BRAND-NEW*-Amstrad-CPC664-Keyboard-Membranes-2645 (https://www.sellmyretro.com/offer/details/*BRAND-NEW*-Amstrad-CPC664-Keyboard-Membranes-2645)

Cheers,
Shane
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: RWAP on 11:12, 30 September 19
Quote from: 00WReX on 09:33, 30 September 19
Looks like all the 664 membranes are now sold...

Cheers,
Shane

Yes we have now sold out - it will be a while before I can justify another production run  -it took several years to sell these!
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: LambdaMikel on 18:06, 30 September 19
Thanks for keeping our 664's alive and for making them in the first place @RWAP (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=788) !!
I have purchased 3 or so over the years.
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: Sebastian Blanco on 19:03, 30 September 19
i need a 6128+ membrane mine is in bad shape.
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 23:57, 30 September 19
There seems to be a shortage of Plus membranes in general... sadly, they are a bit unreliable compared with the traditional ones  :-X .
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: RWAP on 20:32, 01 October 19
Quote from: ||C|-|E|| on 23:57, 30 September 19
There seems to be a shortage of Plus membranes in general... sadly, they are a bit unreliable compared with the traditional ones  :-X .

I have avoided looking at 6128+ and 464+ membranes because there just does not seem to be enough interest.

Maybe this is something to now consider....
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 20:51, 01 October 19
Quote from: RWAP on 20:32, 01 October 19
I have avoided looking at 6128+ and 464+ membranes because there just does not seem to be enough interest.

Maybe this is something to now consider....
I would definitely grab a couple myself!
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: Token on 20:53, 01 October 19
I have also a 6128+ that need a new membrane. I thought it was only me. I'm glad I replaced the one inside the 664 in time.
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 22:30, 01 October 19
Quote from: Token on 20:53, 01 October 19
I have also a 6128+ that need a new membrane. I thought it was only me. I'm glad I replaced the one inside the 664 in time.
Definitely not only you, they are a bit picky in that regard. However, I think that the connector itself has a problem in quite a few occasions. In fact, with many Plus you can "fix" the issue just unplugging and plugging the membrane again, although this is only provisional. In some others cases, "cleaning" the connector with a cardboard works well, at least for a while. I always think about adapting a wired keyboard but it would be so much work...  :-X
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: 00WReX on 03:54, 02 October 19
Quote from: Token on 20:53, 01 October 19
I have also a 6128+ that need a new membrane. I thought it was only me. I'm glad I replaced the one inside the 664 in time.
About six months ago I had a 6128+ membrane fail (a number of keys on the same line).
I fixed it with conductive paint and it is still working, but I'm not sure how long it will last.
I would be interested in a new membrane for it, that's for sure (I have a couple of pluses, so I would probably buy 2).


Cheers,
Shane
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: retro_collector on 22:06, 02 October 19
I would like membranes for my 464 and 6128 plus
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: GUNHED on 22:09, 02 October 19
Well, and I need one for the 6128 keyboard. Any idea where to get one?
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: Audronic on 00:35, 03 October 19
Quote from: GUNHED on 22:09, 02 October 19
Well, and I need one for the 6128 keyboard. Any idea where to get one?


I also would like to Purchase 1 (One) for a CPC6128.


Thanks.  Ray
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: Skunkfish on 10:02, 03 October 19
Is it worth considering some sort of crowd sourcing campaign to ensure there is enough demand before commencing production?
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: RWAP on 10:20, 03 October 19
The problem with anything like this is to get pricing right - I have done pre-orders on my sellmyretro.com website before, but people always ask "when will it be produced" and "how much will it cost" - the problem is that without knowing how many people are interested, both questions have no real answers!

After all, to make a production run worthwhile and keep costs reasonable, you need a minimum run of 250 membranes to be honest - but getting 250 people to place a pre-order for a membrane is like pulling teeth!

If I had the time and ability to create a video, I would do it through kickstarter or similar, but then you are adding their fees to the cost of producing the item so that just makes it too expensive

I will set up something on sellmyretro - does anyone have a picture of the various membranes?   

I would also need to borrow a membrane of each type to get some pricing guidance from the factory.
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: Lazy Dude on 15:30, 03 October 19
Would they give you a choice of different grades of plastic?
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: RWAP on 15:36, 03 October 19
Quote from: Lazy Dude on 15:30, 03 October 19
Would they give you a choice of different grades of plastic?

It depends on what you need it for - ideally the factory (UK based) would need original membranes and a keyboard to ensure everything aligns properly.  They would presumably use the same plastics they already use for my Sinclair, CPC and Amiga membranes - but if it needed to be more responsive, then they would look to use a thinner plastic.
Title: Re: Keyboard Membranes
Post by: Lazy Dude on 17:15, 03 October 19
That's good that you already know what materials they use. Takes away any guesswork with what they may think is ideal
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