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Title: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: Bryce on 18:32, 27 January 14
Hi all,
     I was looking through a few cartridge PCBs I have here and I noticed that some cartridge PCBs have an extra link called LK5R, positioned between LK5 and the ACIDs capacitor. This isn't mentioned on the Wiki page at all (although it can be seen in one of the PCB photos). Did any cartridge ever use it? It does the opposite to LK5. LK5 straps pin 3 of the EPOM to the 5V line, LK5R straps pin 3 to GND.

Bryce.
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: Kris on 13:52, 28 January 14
I have never seen this LK5R wired up to now............What is the function to link pin 3 of the Eprom to Gnd ?
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: Bryce on 14:01, 28 January 14
On 32pin EPROMs it's A15. The only use I can think of would maybe to use 28pin EPROMs in the cartridge?

Bryce.
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: Badstarr on 14:14, 28 January 14
A relic from an earlier design perhaps ? Or maybe something utilised on the GX4000 demonstraition system?
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: Bryce on 15:07, 28 January 14
More likely a cost factor - Where "Only use a 64K EPROM if the game fits on it" turned into "It's cheaper to buy half a million 128K chips than buying 250 thousand of each type".

Bryce.
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: TFM on 17:31, 28 January 14
Half a million? Where are all that carts? Damn, my cart secret service suxx!  :laugh:
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: Bryce on 20:33, 28 January 14
Quote from: TFM on 17:31, 28 January 14
Half a million? Where are all that carts? Damn, my cart secret service suxx!  :laugh:

Yeah, I was a bit generous with that example, but it was the theory that I wanted to point out. :D

Bryce.
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: The Last Bandit on 20:37, 28 January 14
Out of curiosity, what sort of volumes are needed before masked ROMs are more cost effective ?
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: Bryce on 21:04, 28 January 14
No idea. That sort of thing ended while I was still in university :) OTPs are used these days, if at all. Everything's flash now.

Bryce.
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: ralferoo on 13:35, 29 January 14
Quote from: The Last Bandit on 20:37, 28 January 14
Out of curiosity, what sort of volumes are needed before masked ROMs are more cost effective ?
I got the impression that it was tens of thousands back in the 80s. There was also the factor that the lead time could be 3-4 weeks.

A mask ROM isn't all that complicated, much like a ULA isn't all that complicated to specialise. It's not something you or I could do, but the process is taking a stock unprogammed ROM or ULA chip and applying a fixed metal mask on top of that that joins up the silicon areas in the correct way.

So, they'd have a large inventory of the unprogrammed parts and then there'd be a lead time and cost associated with making the design for the metal mask, but after that it's cheap and easy to produce.
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: MacDeath on 13:54, 29 January 14
still if only Amstrad actually bought a stack of 256K ROMs... :laugh:
Title: Re: LK5R - The Seventh Link
Post by: TFM on 19:40, 29 January 14
You mean very cheap 512 KB types and good coders too  :laugh:
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