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Title: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Neil79 on 17:25, 19 February 16
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QuoteAfter our BIG review for the DDI3 USB Floppy Emulator for the Amstrad CPC 464, developed by Zaxon also known as Piotr Bugaj. We thought it was about time the Amstrad 6128 also had a device of its own, so it too could play demo's and games stored on a USB memory stick. Thankfully Zaxon was happy to help and after a couple of months of teasing at the design stage, we finally have ' The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator ' in our hands for the second of our Amstrad reviews!


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Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 18:24, 19 February 16
It looks like a very nice and neat device, it would be great to have one of these that is already prepared for the MX4 and has a nice display as well. Maybe it would be even a better alternative that the HxC, I like how tidy it is  :)
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Neil79 on 18:58, 19 February 16
Quote from: ||C|-|E|| on 18:24, 19 February 16
It looks like a very nice and neat device, it would be great to have one of these that is already prepared for the MX4 and has a nice display as well. Maybe it would be even a better alternative that the HxC, I like how tidy it is  :)


An LCD Display would've been really nice, but then that would probably bump up the cost by a bit
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: TotO on 01:00, 20 February 16
I'm surprise that it was not powered through the floppy connector.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: TotO on 09:05, 20 February 16
Quote from: Neil79 on 18:58, 19 February 16An LCD Display would've been really nice, but then that would probably bump up the cost by a bit
The LCD display only cost $1.5 USD. The answer is more that it can't fit on the PCB design.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: CPCOxygen on 01:57, 21 April 16



Mine arrived today, do anyone else have to wiggle it from time to time to get it working? I've tried on two 6128's, same problem. Cleaned the contacts on both computers, no luck. Not really a big problem if I'm careful, just wondering if anyone else is having the problem?
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: TFM on 16:20, 21 April 16
Moving to Centronics plugs should solve this problems. During 30 years of CPC I only had problems with edge connectors, so I changed em all (mostly) and all problems (most) are gone.  :)
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Dabz on 18:25, 21 April 16
I have one of these badboys for my 6128... Brilliant little bit of kit, and for the price, well, it's for nowt!


8)


Dabz
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Higgy on 18:53, 21 April 16
Just make sure I am not missing something, a Gotek with HxC firmware would do the same?

Rather than have an external module I would prefer to fit a Gotek in place of the 3" drive.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: khaz on 23:49, 21 April 16
Quote from: Higgy on 18:53, 21 April 16Rather than have an external module I would prefer to fit a Gotek in place of the 3" drive.

That would make you loose compatibility with original 3" discs though. And the procedure is irreversible,you need to hack away quite a few bits of plastic, you can't put a 3" drive back at a later time. Are you sure you want to do that to your poor 6128?
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: pelrun on 08:59, 22 April 16
It's not irreversible - the Gotek PCB is a lot smaller than a standard 3.5" drive, so it doesn't require anything to be cut away.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: llopis on 09:39, 22 April 16
Mine also arrived today. So far, so good (the first 10 minutes anyway).


One thing I noticed though: When I turn the CPC on, I hear the drive motor on and it never stops. Is this normal? It only happens with the emulator card plugged in. I'm using a power splitter cable in case it matters.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: pelrun on 10:11, 22 April 16
Sounds like the device is inappropriately holding the motor enable line active. It's not needed by the Gotek, so it's probably been tied to ground when it should have been left floating.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Higgy on 10:57, 22 April 16
Quote from: pelrun on 08:59, 22 April 16
It's not irreversible - the Gotek PCB is a lot smaller than a standard 3.5" drive, so it doesn't require anything to be cut away.

That is right. I was planning on cutting the cheap Gotek case around the Amstrad's. There is a good guide online.
When the time comes I can retro fit the 3" IDC connector back on and refit and swap the 12v and 5v wires. So she will be back looking like a Retro Museum Queen  ;D

I only have about 8 disks. And if they are like Amiga disks there are not very reliable +20 years down the line. So files off a USB stick seems the best way.

I have the 464 USB floppy emulator. Seems a good bit of kit. I had to re-solder a joint on the I2C display as the backlight kept flickering.

Does anyone know which HxC firmware to use to update it? It would be nice to have more than 15 slots which the newer firmware gives.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: pelrun on 11:23, 22 April 16
You want the "USB Stick STM32 HxC Floppy Emulator (beta)" firmware update file from the HxC download page.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: llopis on 15:11, 22 April 16
Quote from: llopis on 09:39, 22 April 16One thing I noticed though: When I turn the CPC on, I hear the drive motor on and it never stops. Is this normal? It only happens with the emulator card plugged in. I'm using a power splitter cable in case it matters.
FWIW, I just noticed that if I set the USB emulator to be the B drive (by changing the jumpers), it doesn't cause the disk drive motor to come on (and I can use floppy disks as well, which is great).
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: llopis on 19:46, 24 April 16
So far I'm loving the USB floppy emulator.


I've been having some intermittent problems with it not working and claiming that the disk is missing, but it sounds like it's a faulty board and Piotr is sending me a new one to replace it. So that's great to see him standing behind the product.


One thing has eluded me so far though: I haven't been able to copy a disk from the USB emulator as B drive to a real disk on the floppy A drive. I've tried a bunch of disk copy programs, and they all fail in some way (JL-Copy fails to read past track 6 of a totally plain vanilla DSK image, and Oddjob copies everything but the resulting disk is unusable). Anybody knows what's going on? Is the emulation very basic and it fails when programs try to copy sector by sector? Is there any way to easily copy either a whole disk (ideally) or file by file to a real floppy?


Thanks.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: llopis on 20:12, 24 April 16
Actually, the problem seems to be with the DSK image itself.


I created it with iDSK and used it to copy files directly into it. The DSK file opens up fine in Arnold and everything works. Then I convert it to HFE with HxCFloppyEmulator and load it up on the CPC. All the games load fine except for one that gives a read error. I imagine it's the track the JL-Copy is having a hard time with. I wonder what's going on. It's supposed to be a really plain vanilla disk. I'll try WinAPE and see if it generates a better DSK.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Higgy on 21:31, 28 April 16
Anyone managed to update the HxC firmware on one of these? I have the 464 version and it is on v3.0.6.6a

For my Gotek I just copied the *.upd to a blank USB stick and turned on the 6128 holding down the 2 Gotek buttons.

Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: minwah on 14:29, 09 May 16
I have recently bought one of these. I had an initial problem with it not working at all due to bad contact on the edge connector. Having cleaned the connector it is up and running.

One other thing I discovered is that I have unplug the power from the device and plug it back in (after powering up the monitor) for it to come on. It is useful to use a USB stick with an LED on it so you can tell when it is on, as there is no other indication.

Aside from that, seems really good so far, and at a great price.

I'm thinking about making a case for it with a switch for power, and another to switch between drive A and B...
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: zhulien on 15:25, 23 August 16
Hi,


I received my floppy Zaxon 6128 emulators and today tried them but without any luck.  When plugging them in, even just the centronics to edge connector adaptor, he internal 6128 Plus drive just makes a wirring noise.  I have read and re-read the vague instructions from the floppy emulator site, but still unsure if they work, or am i doing something wrong?  I have tried with and without a PSU supplying it, with and without all other exansions removed.


Any suggestions?



Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: CraigsBar on 16:35, 23 August 16
The connectors on the back of the plus are not 1:1 pin compatible with the CPC (even the centronics Schneider CPC 6128) as the pins are shifted on to the left, and you meet to trim one wire off the end
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: zhulien on 02:04, 24 August 16
Isnt that the point of the adapter that came with it?
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: gerald on 06:02, 24 August 16
Quote from: zhulien on 02:04, 24 August 16
Isnt that the point of the adapter that came with it?
You need a centronic adapter for the Plus, which is different from the centronics adapter for a regular 6128 with centronics port.
As CraigsBar said, there is a shift in the pins to do.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Audronic on 07:47, 24 August 16
@zhulien (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58)
Look Here
DIY:Floppy Drives - CPCWiki (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/DIY:Floppy_Drives)
Ray
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: zhulien on 08:52, 24 August 16
Quote from: gerald on 06:02, 24 August 16
You need a centronic adapter for the Plus, which is different from the centronics adapter for a regular 6128 with centronics port.
As CraigsBar said, there is a shift in the pins to do.

Ic. I have never seen a cpc6128 with centronics. Only 6128plus. I guess i ordered the wrong thing.  Does anyone sell 6128plus adapters?
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: zhulien on 09:37, 24 August 16
I wish zaxon had written they dont work on 6128plus as in Australia all 6128pluses have centronics and all cpc6128 has edge connector... anyway it looks too messy to modify the adapter... so if someone with a cpc with centronics wants them i have 2 useless cpc6128 floppy centronics to edge connectors free to a good home... and no not for someone to resell... you must be able to use them... if you lie you will forever be known as a c... as i will pay the postage. :)
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Audronic on 12:02, 24 August 16
@zhulien (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58)


Have a look at your Personal Mail Please


Ray
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: zhulien on 18:54, 24 August 16
It is these... not cables.
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Audronic on 00:36, 25 August 16
@zhulien (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58)
As per Pm I am unable to help modifying that type of connector.
Can you purchase the correct type from where you purchase the converter from ?

Ray
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Audronic on 01:03, 25 August 16
[quote author=zhulien link=topic=11673.msg132185#msg132185 date=1472061248]
It is these... not cables.

Hi Zuhlien

I Have just had a look at the Sellmyretro site and it says :-
Description

Floppy drive adapter from 36 pin Centronics port in CPC 6128+  to edge slot. Allow connect my USB floppy emulator.
It appears that if you have a 6128 PLUS then this has been designed for the 6128 PLUS and should work.
If you are having problems then it Probably is NOT the centronics Converter.
Ray
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: zhulien on 04:16, 25 August 16
Hi Ray. Where does it say that?
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Audronic on 04:54, 25 August 16
http://www.sellmyretro.com/user/closedOffers/zaxon (http://www.sellmyretro.com/user/closedOffers/zaxon)

6128+ centronics to edge slot floppy adapter
Ray
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: TFM on 15:30, 25 August 16
Hey guys, the CPC6128 (Schneider, Centronics) and 6128 Plus do have DIFFERENT Centronics pin layout on the drive B port!!! If you use a cable made for the one computer at the other computer, then you will create a shortcut and most likely kill the FDC!!! So DON'T mix things up here!
Title: Re: The Amstrad CPC 6128 USB Floppy Emulator Hardware BIG Review
Post by: Audronic on 23:48, 27 August 16
@Zhulien


Did you resolve your Problem with the Emulator / Connector ?
Ray
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