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New ROM for CP/M!!!
« on: 18:21, 11 June 15 »
This could be the headline of a thread coming up soon.


Meanwhile I need your help. I want to know about your favorite tools for CP/M. So what would you like to have in a kind of ROM disc? The typical tool / utility is only few KB's big, because a ROM has only 16 KB space.


Now tell me what do you like for CP/M?

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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #1 on: 18:23, 11 June 15 »
Well how many ROMs would be needed to put the CPM version of protext on it ;)
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #2 on: 18:28, 11 June 15 »
Well how many ROMs would be needed to put the CPM version of protext on it ;)


That's actually too big. Maximum size is (currently) about 15.5 KB.[nb]Ok, I have one solution for that. But we can discuss that in another thread. I made a RAM disc dump including CP/M Plus and Prowort. The way to use it is to start FutureOS read that big chunk of data from disc to Expansion RAM, then jump to Amsdos and start CP/M Plus directly from RAM disc. A profile.sub file cares about anything else. So you can load CP/M Plus and Prowort in a very short time. If you're interested I will look it up, it should be somewhere on some disc IIRC.[/nb]
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #3 on: 18:43, 11 June 15 »
OK how about one of the CPM gui's? But I guess they are too big too. Is there a CPM tool akin to Norton commander?
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #4 on: 18:56, 11 June 15 »
Yes, NSWEEP (we already got that on a ROM for CP/M though) and there would be Z-Filer which would require the Z-system.


Now here it's really about smaller stuff. I think that BD04.COM would be a good candidate (very good disc check tool). But I'm open for suggestions.


Oh and it should be a single load tool. Not a multiload.  :o
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #5 on: 20:53, 11 June 15 »
Hmmm, I use nswp frequently, not quite nc tho is it lol. There are some nice tools for putting a clock on the bottom line of the screen, or was that for the pcw only?
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #6 on: 21:59, 11 June 15 »
Ok! Anybody else coming up with an idea / request?

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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #7 on: 12:02, 12 June 15 »
Only 16 KB? Humm... tricky.  ;D
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #8 on: 13:59, 12 June 15 »
A tiny text editor, but I don't know if there is one little enough. But one easy to use, no that madness of ED !!  ???

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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #9 on: 16:37, 12 June 15 »
A tiny text editor, but I don't know if there is one little enough. But one easy to use, no that madness of ED !!  ???

Oh, well... te, my CP/M text editor needs only 15 KB on disk:
Code: [Select]
[Guest@B00:] $ ls -l te.com
w--   15 Kb   117 Rc b00:te      .com
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #10 on: 18:02, 12 June 15 »
A tiny text editor, but I don't know if there is one little enough. But one easy to use, no that madness of ED !!  ???
Such a ROM already exists :-)

Oh, well... te, my CP/M text editor needs only 15 KB on disk:
Code: [Select]
[Guest@B00:] $ ls -l te.com
w--   15 Kb   117 Rc b00:te      .com
That's nice! Maybe we can use that one too, is surely has nice features. :-)

Slowly I'm thinking about a ROM generator as second stage of development. First I like to do 1 or 2 ROMs by hand to see how it works.  :)

Also: We can use compression, Almasys talked about a compressor for CP/M creating .COM files. This would be perfect :-)
« Last Edit: 18:06, 12 June 15 by TFM »
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #11 on: 02:26, 13 June 15 »
A tiny text editor, but I don't know if there is one little enough. But one easy to use, no that madness of ED !!  ???


Perhaps read the manual & use it in conjunction with using ED before attacking ED?


No PIP on ROM?
« Last Edit: 02:29, 13 June 15 by AMSDOS »
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #12 on: 03:18, 14 June 15 »
Perhaps read the manual & use it in conjunction with using ED before attacking ED?
I read it. It's a headache to handle :D

@FloppySoftware : te by is a good option (the best for me, I told you) but surely it takes a entire ROM for its.
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #13 on: 12:13, 14 June 15 »
I read it. It's a headache to handle :D

@FloppySoftware : te by is a good option (the best for me, I told you) but surely it takes a entire ROM for its.
I always used vde. But it's probably too large for 16k
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #14 on: 13:32, 14 June 15 »
I read it. It's a headache to handle :D


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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #15 on: 20:10, 15 June 15 »
There are a lot of editors called ED.COM. The one which is already in ROM is from HiSoft IIRC, not the one from the system disc. :)


I didn't get forward with this over the weekend, because I worked all time, let's see what the week will bring.

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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #16 on: 20:21, 18 June 15 »
This totally suxx!!! I can't upload .ROM or .DSK files! And all the text and docs I typed it for you just got lost! So bad luck - I have no time to type it all again.  >:( >:( >:(
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #17 on: 21:28, 18 June 15 »
Is there a document somewhere which describes the header/structure of a ROM for CP/M?
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #18 on: 22:07, 18 June 15 »
Is there a document somewhere which describes the header/structure of a ROM for CP/M?

Sure there is ... was... right before the forum software killed it. Therefore now only in German...

Enjoy... or wait until I translated it. ;-)


btw. ROM 4 is the one I just made. It contains BD as command.

Use my ROManager 2.07 to show the ROM contents.  :)
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #19 on: 22:58, 18 June 15 »
This totally suxx!!! I can't upload .ROM or .DSK files! And all the text and docs I typed it for you just got lost! So bad luck - I have no time to type it all again.  >:( >:( >:(

Whoa! A Like from JTMS! That's reason enough to make an English version... working on that now... :)


EDIT: Ok, here I provide the new updated archive with all CP/M ROMs and with German and English documentation.
My own application ROM contains the commands BD  (BD04.COM) and FIND. But it still has 7 KB free space.

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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #20 on: 21:27, 19 June 15 »
I really like that te  from floppy software. Will it fit?
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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #21 on: 22:39, 19 June 15 »
I really like that te  from floppy software. Will it fit?


I really don't get along with TE. Where is the exit key. And I'm tooo lazy to activate keys ccp ;-)


But I made a ROM for you (it's the 5th Acc Expansion ROM). Please try it.[nb]I did try, but I'm not familiar with TE. Seems to start at least and I can type.[/nb]. There is 1 KB free space left, if you suggest a small prog, then I can put it in for you. Enjoy TE!  :)



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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #22 on: 19:59, 20 June 15 »

I really don't get along with TE. Where is the exit key. And I'm tooo lazy to activate keys ccp ;-)


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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #23 on: 20:06, 20 June 15 »
This totally suxx!!! I can't upload .ROM or .DSK files! And all the text and docs I typed it for you just got lost! So bad luck - I have no time to type it all again.  >:( >:( >:(


You probably forgot the discussion - it makes no sense uploading full-size files and taking space on the server when things can go down so much...

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Re: New ROM for CP/M!!!
« Reply #24 on: 01:49, 22 June 15 »

You probably forgot the discussion - it makes no sense uploading full-size files and taking space on the server when things can go down so much...


Are you serious? A 16 KB ROM is a problem, while people upload high res pictures of few MB all the time? You should start saving the Euro instead of the Cents.[nb]And even a DSK is 10% of a picture only[/nb]  :)
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