Amstrad Plus vs CPC+

[krusty_benediction]

AFAIK, we have to use "AMSTRAD Plus"  naming instead of "CPC+"

Both terms are used in the wiki, even if a single page (dor example, the gate array one).

Is there a Technical possibility to automate the replacement?
And automatically alert in the submission of text with the wrong wording?

[andycadley]

Do we "have" to? Or do a handful of overly pedantic people think we should?

[eto]

Do we "have" to? Or do a handful of overly pedantic people think we should?

Where if not in the Wiki should we be pedantic about CPC related information? 

Calling it CPC+ every now and then is not only wrong, it's also confusing. At least when you are not familiar with the topic for years. That's what happened to me until I read somewhere explicitly that there is no CPC in its name and that people always call it wrong.

[andycadley]

Do we "have" to? Or do a handful of overly pedantic people think we should?

Where if not in the Wiki should we be pedantic about CPC related information?

Calling it CPC+ every now and then is not only wrong, it's also confusing. At least when you are not familiar with the topic for years. That's what happened to me until I read somewhere explicitly that there is no CPC in its name and that people always call it wrong.

If you're going to be that pedantic though, there is no such thing as an "Amstrad Plus" either. Nor a CPC for that matter. There is a CPC464, CPC664, CPCP6128, 464+ and 6128+.

Using CPC as shorthand for the first three is as "incorrect" as using CPC+ as shorthand for the latter.

[roudoudou]

Amstrad lose a trial and CPC usage but obviously the Amstrad Plus was supposed to be named CPC+ or CPC Plus ...  listen to Roland interviews. CPC is 8 bits. Any 16 bits was already there, as PC.

[Egg Master]

464 PLUS (464plus), 6128 PLUS (6128plus), as printed on the packaging, instruction manuals and computers?

Amstrad range of computers:
- CPC
- PCW
- PC
- PLUS

[andycadley]

464 PLUS (464plus), 6128 PLUS (6128plus), as printed on the packaging, instruction manuals and computers?

Amstrad range of computers:
- CPC
- PCW
- PC
- PLUS

Amstrad never just refer to it as just a "Plus" though. In fact the manual pretty much refers to it as 464/6128 (without any + designation) throughout. It clearly belongs to the same lineage as the CPC and I don't really see any point pandering to the handful of people of people who want them to not count for whatever weird reason.

[Ygdrazil]

464 PLUS (464plus), 6128 PLUS (6128plus), as printed on the packaging, instruction manuals and computers?

Amstrad range of computers:
- CPC
- PCW
- PC
- PLUS

Forgot the NC


/Ygdrazil

[abalore]

464 PLUS (464plus), 6128 PLUS (6128plus), as printed on the packaging, instruction manuals and computers?
Amstrad range of computers:
- CPC
- PCW
- PC
- PLUS

Forgot the NC
/Ygdrazil

The NC, PPC (and ALT, ACL, ANB), Mega PC and a PenPad. Also a console and 2 models of ZX Spectrum. We could argue also that the PCW16 is  a different range from the rest of PCWs since it's not compatible. Another special case is the PC-20 which is a version of the Sinclair PC200 (integrated form factor PC)

[abalore]

Regarding the conversation: For the 8 bit home computers for me there are clearly 2 ranges:

CPC and Plus

So it's correct to talk about Amstrad CPC and Amstrad Plus. What it would be never correct is to say CPC+, so I vote for not using that naming in the CPC Wiki where the whole point is to preserve the Amstrad 8 bit legacy.

[dodogildo]

Exactly. 

Also, acting "pedantic" should be a desirable character trait among those devoted to such a super niche hobby. Non? 

[andycadley]

Regarding the conversation: For the 8 bit home computers for me there are clearly 2 ranges:

CPC and Plus

So it's correct to talk about Amstrad CPC and Amstrad Plus. What it would be never correct is to say CPC+, so I vote for not using that naming in the CPC Wiki where the whole point is to preserve the Amstrad 8 bit legacy.

But that is, as you say "for you"

Amstrad themselves didn't see the need to make a distinction like that. In fact they fully intended that, when not playing console games, there would be no difference between a 464 and a 464+. The "plus" moniker is literally supposed to be shorthand for "plus a GX4000"

It seems very weird to make a completely arbitrary distinction when Amstrad themselves did not.

[Egg Master]

Amstrad never just refer to it as just a "Plus" though.

They just refer to "Plus" on the box, on the computer, on the manual, on the ads. It's not enough?

[McArti0]

AMSTRAD PLC    This is what is written on every PLUS mainboard 

cucumber season? 

[andycadley]

Amstrad never just refer to it as just a "Plus" though.

They just refer to "Plus" on the box, on the computer, on the manual, on the ads. It's not enough?

Right next to 464 or 6128. Try finding something that just says Amstrad Plus with no mention of the numbers.

[eto]

Try finding something that just says Amstrad Plus with no mention of the numbers.

1) The Arnold V specs.
They mention the "Plus range" and they mention the "CPC range". Never is the Plus a part of the CPC range in that document. 

2) Advertisements:
e.g.
https://acpc.me/ACME/DOCUMENTS_COMMERCIAUX/PUBLICITES/6128PLUS_Underneath_this_computer_is_an_arcade_fighting_to_get_out[ENG].jpg
Again - "Plus range" and not mentioning the CPC name (except for that the Plus range is compatible with CPC titles)

Anyway. When looking at the Wiki articles that mention the CPC+ I can understand that "Amstrad Plus range" is not used as it would feel weird (to me) to use the full name in many places and just "Plus" is also awkward as it's doesn't feel to be a real name. 

[ZorrO]

I like acronym CPC+, and it was often used in scrollers in demos in early 90s.
People from retro community know it, and if they don't, they need to be taught it.
Do you know CoCo computers? Even Google and Wikipedia know this colloquial term, although it was officially called differently. I'm more concerned that Google doesn't associate "CPC+" with computers.

[Egg Master]

AMSTRAD PLC    This is what is written on every PLUS mainboard 

cucumber season? 

PLC is not PLUS or CPC, neighter "PLus Cpc"  But Public Limited Company.
May be for cucumber?

[McArti0]

CPC and A+ (Like some vitamin?)

[McArti0]

AMSTRAD PLC    This is what is written on every PLUS mainboard 

PLC is (...) "PLus Cpc"  

This closes the thread...

[Shaun M. Neary]

This one always annoyed me.
There is *no* CPC+, You either have an Amstrad CPC or you have a 464/6128 Plus. It really is that simple and everything else is just plain wrong.

Now in saying that, automating the mistake and going back through decades of the sites history to correct it must be one of the most daft ideas I've ever seen. 
A little cop on going forward however is another story.

[krusty_benediction]

- @andycadley: I fully agree with @eto,@dodogildo   and I guess @abalore, such a resource as cpcwiki HAS TO BE pedantic
- @Egg Master: So Plus would fit better than Amstrad Plus. I was probably biased because in France we mainly say "Amstrad CPC", less often "CPC" alone. In fact it is probably even more common to say only "Amstrad"
- @Shaun M. Neary: at least I added daft to my list of newly learnt word

[andycadley]

This one always annoyed me.
There is *no* CPC+, You either have an Amstrad CPC or you have a 464/6128 Plus. It really is that simple and everything else is just plain wrong.

Now in saying that, automating the mistake and going back through decades of the sites history to correct it must be one of the most daft ideas I've ever seen.
A little cop on going forward however is another story.

There was never a CPC+ because of a trademark dispute (which taken to it's literal conclusion means they shouldn't ever use CPC and neither should we). Personally I think CPC+ better describes the heritage of the machine and what Amstrad would've likely preferred it to be called.

I still don't like just Plus (or Amstrad Plus) because it doesn't disambiguate machines like the +2, +3 etc but whatever. I agree that trying to automate it is a fools errand (especially given there are pages describing the terms as synonymous).

[McArti0]

Copilot:

"The Amstrad CPC+ series was an improved version of the original Amstrad CPC computers, released in 1990. It included models CPC 464 Plus and CPC 6128 Plus, which featured upgraded graphics and sound capabilities compared to their predecessors.

No, the computers from the Amstrad Plus series did not have "CPC" in their official names. The models were called 464 Plus and 6128 Plus, without the CPC designation. However, since they were enhanced versions of the Amstrad CPC computers, they are often informally referred to as "CPC Plus" or "CPC+."
Are you interested in a specific difference between CPC and the Plus series? 😊"

[roudoudou]

This one always annoyed me.
There is *no* CPC+, You either have an Amstrad CPC or you have a 464/6128 Plus. It really is that simple and everything else is just plain wrong.

Now in saying that, automating the mistake and going back through decades of the sites history to correct it must be one of the most daft ideas I've ever seen.
A little cop on going forward however is another story.

There was never a CPC+ because of a trademark dispute (which taken to it's literal conclusion means they shouldn't ever use CPC and neither should we). Personally I think CPC+ better describes the heritage of the machine and what Amstrad would've likely preferred it to be called.

I still don't like just Plus (or Amstrad Plus) because it doesn't disambiguate machines like the +2, +3 etc but whatever. I agree that trying to automate it is a fools errand (especially given there are pages describing the terms as synonymous).

As for Amiga and 500/500+
We may use OCS and ECS