Amstrad Plus vs CPC+

[ZorrO]

About 10 years ago on Polish Amiga forum most active group were fans of so-called Amiga NG, i.e. designs that were created after fall of Commodore, and had a PowerPC processor instead of Motorola, had an OS written for PPC with a built-in emulator of 68k and AGA chipsets. In addition, when fans of real old Amigas accused them that they shouldn't call these designs "real Amigas", they got angry and justified why they had the right to call them that.

Then, when someone wanted to talk about these old real Amigas produced by C=, to make it clear what they were talking about, they started calling them "Classic", and then appeared one who was very bothered by this name. He claimed that C= had never produced anything called "Classic Amiga", so this name shouldn't be used because it desecrates memory of these real Amigas that had such a great influence on history of computers, unlike Amiga NG. He was very active and spoiled every thread with his comments on subject, he even found two supporters. And arguments of majority that word Classic is not an insult did not reach him, creators of music from 200 years ago did not know that they were creating classical music either, only contemporary ones called it that. Such quarrels lasted almost 5 years before he gave up and the forum became calmer again.

When I read this thread about CPC+, I remember this chaos and I would really not like it to repeat itself here. In my opinion, McArti0 summed up topic well that term CPC+ is a colloquial name that is synonymous with Amstrad Plus. And fact that this name annoys someone is no reason to annoy everyone around.

[Egg Master]

As for Amiga and 500/500+
We may use OCS and ECS

The A500 Plus had this name on the box, case, manual, ...
Some late A500 was ECS, because using A500+ motherboard.

[Egg Master]

when someone wanted to talk about these old real Amigas produced by C=, to make it clear what they were talking about, they started calling them "Classic", and then appeared one who was very bothered by this name. He claimed that C= had never produced anything called "Classic Amiga"

And that's right. Just call them Amiga NG and keep the Amiga name for Commodore. About the Amstrad computers, it's even more absurd to call the CPC "old" to compare it to the CPC "plus," instead of using their respective names.

[RockRiver]

Ok let's fight ha ha
It's a matter of taste, colleagues and friends of the CPC


I always called our "enhanced", of our family CPC models, as CPC Plus or CPC+ for to be quicker.

As french software editors Loriciels and Titus, that put CPC+  in floppy games with enhanced colour version: B.o.B Karate ; Bumpy's ; D-Day ; Golden Eagle ; Prehistorik II

And here the scene and users always named it as CPC+ /  CPCplus. Because frankly is a CPC ...

In other Z80 microcomputer families is common the cross sign + , as synomym of enhanced 8bit: MSX2+ , ZX Spectrum  + , +2 , +3 ...

Amstrad did a PCW 9512+ too (with 3,5" floppy drive) , because that, the cousin PCW scene is calling new enhanced Colour PCW+ as PCWplus

How to call the old CPC models ?
Easy :
CPC classic

Amstrad plc was not very supportive of the new Plus machine after its attempt to sell the "CPC console" ha ha, sorry GX !!

Amstrad was very close in promoting new video capabilities for the users... Because of its plan to sell millions of cartridges like Nintendo.

No B-ASIC by Amstrad at all.
Incredible mistake.

The worst for me is/was that since 6128, Amstrad not used the serif CPC capital letter Logo as corporative of the System in the computer design . Yes in 6128 manual.

Other CPC+ only disk games: SpaceGun by Ocean and Fluff by Radical.

In cassette with enhanced colour support: Striker Crypts Trogan by Codemasters

For you, mates! the GX4000 console really is not a CPC ? ...
c'mon !! Hundred of CPR ports from CPC disks , it is great , amazing !!!
This CPC user scene is the best.
 And healthy, not entering in 8bit wars... that is for ZX , C64 , MSX people ...

Long life to CPC 8bit System , CPC enhanced (Plus) and to all of us

[ZorrO]

I like name CPC+2 for 464+, and CPC+3 for 6128+. You don't like it sue me, or Eat my shorts.

The name CPC+ has nothing misleading about it, on the contrary, it refers to roots of platform with which Plus is compatible and is more widely known than the less popular Pluses, so it is immediately clear what kind of equipment I am talking about, and word Plus is part of names of so many different products that it is simply misleading.

[Egg Master]

Sure, but it is not its name.

[BSC]

I wish those stupid plusses were never released. Imagine how we could fight over religion, politics, music or other stuff instead. 

[ZorrO]

@BSC - It is true that after 1990, at a price twice as high as CPC classic, they did not conquer the market and lost in this price range to much better 16bits. Only Amstrad fanboys bought them.

But nobody forced them, and I do not feel sorry for them. But since the Pluses have already appeared, instead of erasing them from history, I would prefer to be created a GA replacement and giving every classic the power of Pluses.

[Longshot]

What if we called CPC+ "CPC" and the older generation "CPC-"? 
Just kidding...

[ZorrO]

Or Spectrums way:
464 - CPC
6128 - CPC+
464+ - CPC+2
6128+ - CPC+3
GX - CPC+X