It's been released, and it looks good!
30 Years Amstrad Megademo by benediction & Dirty Minds & Futurs :: pouët.net (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=67656)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhh1xZ6OXp8)
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Personally, I like the parts of Shinra, Benediction, Futurs, and Vanity, though that's not set in concrete and might change.
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Great! I will watch it today in the evening! I need to copy the images to the Amstrad and I do not have time now :D :D
nice !!!
I look forward to watch it on a real CPC later, aswell :)
Quote from: Duke on 14:31, 25 June 16
I look forward to watch it on a real CPC later, aswell :)
Uhhhh
Ray
Awesome job! Well done to ALL teams involved..
Better late than never!
Futur's part and Longshot's (did I see correctly?) for me look great. The menu is terrific!!
Another milestone in demoscene IMHO!!!
Must try on real machine though ASAP..
There is No longshot part, it's only a new hicks' joke... ^_^
Wow, I got my name featured in a demo! :o Shame that the part was originally written in 2014 and hasn't been updated, and I'm no longer an active member of the CPC scene, but it still gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. :)
So far, I've only tested the demo on WinAPE, and for some reason, I can't view Futurs' and Vanity's parts, even when I set the CRTC to type 1. I don't know why the CRTC detection isn't working? I know there are problems with detecting CRTC 2 in WinAPE, but I didn't think CRTC 1 would be a problem. Fortunately my real CPC has a type 1 CRTC so I will try to test it tomorrow. There seemed to be problems with disc side detection on WinAPE, even when I used the double-sided DSK file.
Having watched all the parts on YouTube, I was most impressed with Benediction's 'Quest for Perfection', Futurs' and Vanity's parts. I was amazed to see four old demos running simultaneously in one screen! :D
Oh, seems to be 6128 exclusive. Schande ...
It's 128k, but CPC464 with expansion seems to work (emulated). Nice !
Uuhh! Super awesome! Our best demo makes succeeded! I'm at work and could only watch the GPA part. Just great!!! These totating year-number, and eveytime the effect gets better. Nearly like a time machine! Super!!!
Will watch more during my next break....
Quote from: Nich on 19:54, 25 June 16
So far, I've only tested the demo on WinAPE, and for some reason, I can't view Futurs' and Vanity's parts, even when I set the CRTC to type 1. I don't know why the CRTC detection isn't working? I know there are problems with detecting CRTC 2 in WinAPE, but I didn't think CRTC 1 would be a problem. Fortunately my real CPC has a type 1 CRTC so I will try to test it tomorrow. There seemed to be problems with disc side detection on WinAPE, even when I used the double-sided DSK file.
Winape should not properly emulate a CRTC1. If you want to properly watch the demo on an emulator, you have only two choices :
- cpcbox
- ace
Ensure to remove the fast disc emulation on winape ; we have not noticed issues on it (however I have modified some piece of code to hide a bug in winape fdc code)
Quote from: krusty on 09:28, 26 June 16
(however I have modified some piece of code to hide a bug in winape fdc code)
It will be a good thing to tell about this bug to Richard Wilson. Maybe it will be easy to correct.
Quote from: krusty on 09:28, 26 June 16
Ensure to remove the fast disc emulation on winape ; we have not noticed issues on it (however I have modified some piece of code to hide a bug in winape fdc code)
I don't agree with modifying code to make it work on an emulator.
You already stated which emulators you say will run it correctly and others need to fix their emulation to make it work.
I have tested it on Arnold and seen a couple of problems which I will fix.
(CRTC1 not detected correctly, some distortion scrolling down on the main menu. These will be fixed and a new release of Arnold will run it much better :) ).
EDIT: Keep pushing us with great demos :)
I am feeling proud again for being a CPC fan.
Thank you all so much for this Megademo. :)
This is a great production. I'm just sorry I can't watch two of the parts on real hardware due to having a 6128 Plus! :(
Quote from: Maniac on 10:59, 26 June 16
This is a great production. I'm just sorry I can't watch two of the parts on real hardware due to having a 6128 Plus! :(
Same here, but I really enjoyed the rest yesterday :)
One of my laptop's speakers is broken, so I won't be watching it just yet. I cast the vid to the TV, but the quality is nowhere near good enough... is there a proper video anywhere?
Quote from: Gryzor on 16:17, 26 June 16
One of my laptop's speakers is broken, so I won't be watching it just yet. I cast the vid to the TV, but the quality is nowhere near good enough... is there a proper video anywhere?
Yes, here ! (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/demos/30-years-megademo-released!/msg129241/#msg129241)
Quote from: Ast on 16:21, 26 June 16
Yes, here ! (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/demos/30-years-megademo-released!/msg129241/#msg129241)
That's the one in the OP, isn't it? As I said, nowhere near good enough :(
Sorry, no other video now...
Yeah, I was afraid so. This looks quite bad on my big TV...
I won't spoil it, and will wait for a nice crisp HD vid to appear :)
don't you have a real Amstrad Cpc at home ?
YES! How can you ask me that :D
...currently unavailable, clearly - the missus is working in the home office...
Futurs' part is really impressive !!!
So yesterday I eventually had the time to enjoy this best ever CPC demo at home on my trusty CPC6128 and this is the first time in my life I see demo effects and I don't know how it is done! Just awesome amazing!
Congratulations to the whole team!!! This is truly worth to be called 30 years of CPC!!! :) :) :)
Quote from: GOB on 19:03, 26 June 16
Futurs' part is really impressive !!!
Yep! Too bad it ends so fast!
Now you can wait for "50 years megademo" to see that again :-).
Quote from: TomEtJerry on 19:52, 26 June 16
Now you can wait for "50 years megademo" to see that again :-).
Hmm... or 30 years of 6128 Plus ... would be... in just 5 years. ;D
Quote from: TFM on 20:17, 26 June 16
Hmm... or 30 years of 6128 Plus ... would be... in just 5 years. ;D
30 years of the CPC6128 would come first...? =-)
(Also, it's a
gorgeous piece of work and congratulations to everyone involved for it!)
Quote from: TMR on 08:40, 27 June 16
30 years of the CPC6128 would come first...? =-)
Well in.... - 1 years. So you have to reset the time of the universe and then wait until 1985+30 years.... ehm... forget it. Nope, CPC6128 came out 1985. ;) :)
A great team work demo with eclectic content! (saldy, the parts assembling are not polished)
As I love pixels, I mainly enjoy the animated splash screen, main menu and Vanity hidden part.
Shinra, Benediction, Futurs and Vanity parts are pretty good. Thank you for playing the game!!! 8)
This massive release deserves more comments, here am I for a few positive dedicated messages, Pouêt is not enough.
Dedicated messages means : see previous comments from others for global message or obvious comments. :P
I'd like first to congratulate Krusty: despite time and rising issues (we know some of them), he did keep faith and will to achieve the goal.
Might be what is the most impressive to me in the whole story.
Impressive also: did you notice how much good is the part from Eliot? how much he improved since his last release?
Sounds good for his next release(s).
Futur's part is something very special to me. Hey! it's a one-screener as we used to have in the early years, but what a one-screener!
I do take this as a nice hommage to old one-screeners (... and overpass them btw).
Texts from GPA/T&J are also very nice for such a celebration (mega-)demo, well done!
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All in one, you guys from 30YMD: thanks! be sure I find motivation in some of your work to go back on cpc code. :-*
Quote from: TFM on 15:51, 27 June 16
Well in.... - 1 years. So you have to reset the time of the universe and then wait until 1985+30 years.... ehm... forget it. Nope, CPC6128 came out 1985. ;) :)
[Takes TFM to one side and whispers] Yeah, i knew that too... but i want 'em to make more demos and was hoping they'd go for it anyway! =-)
Quote from: TMR on 20:09, 27 June 16
[Takes TFM to one side and whispers] Yeah, i knew that too... but i want 'em to make more demos and was hoping they'd go for it anyway! =-)
Whispers back from dark corner: ... just let em do a &20 years of CPC6128 (and maybe 664 too).... whispering ends... tumbling weed run by ... some lost bits and bytes come along ... demos are being made during these days... ;)
Watching the Futurs' part on a real CPC CRTC1 in loop... Just amazing! :o
Quote from: krusty on 09:28, 26 June 16
Ensure to remove the fast disc emulation on winape ; we have not noticed issues on it (however I have modified some piece of code to hide a bug in winape fdc code)
Perhaps you could let me know what the bug is :)
(And by the way, there's a bug in the 30YMD FDC code!)
If I'm not wrong, the solution found to work around the problem was to check two times if the floppy disc was inserted.
So... the issue is not exactly known... But all work fine on a real CPC without this "emulator friendly code". (some peoples said to not do it)
Sounds like an issue with head load time. The FDC code in the 30 years CPC deme hopefully will see version 0.1. Because it all would fit on one 3.5" disc without changing discs. Just to provide an idea. :)
Quote from: TotO on 16:30, 27 June 16
A great team work demo with eclectic content! (saldy, the parts assembling are not polished)
As I love pixels, I mainly enjoy the animated splash screen, main menu and Vanity hidden part.
Shinra, Benediction, Futurs and Vanity parts are pretty good. Thank you for playing the game!!! 8)
Vanity hidden part??
Is there others demo or gfx compo/sound from the Reset ?
Quote from: Executioner on 14:59, 28 June 16
Perhaps you could let me know what the bug is :)
(And by the way, there's a bug in the 30YMD FDC code!)
yes, of course.
In the code where I test if we are with the right disc I call two times the following routine, instead of one.
When called one time on winape, the turndisc part is systematically shown.
FDC_Scan
ld a,%01001010
call PUTFDC
ld a,(FDCHEAD)
sla a
sla a
ld b,a
ld a,(FDCDRIVE)
or b
call PUTFDC
call GETFDC
ld (ST0),a
call GETFDC
ld (ST1),a
call GETFDC
ld (ST2),a
;Lis information dans A.
call GETFDC ;Numero Piste
ld (.track_nb), a
call GETFDC ;Tete logique
ld (.side), a
call GETFDC ;Nom Secteur
ld (.sector), a
call GETFDC ;Taille secteur
ld (.size), a
ret
.track_nb db 0
.side db 0
.sector db 0
.size db 0
which use the following routines from Arkos FDC routines probably modified by Syx
FDC_STATUS EQU $FB7E ;
;Get data from FDC
;Ret = A=FDC data
GETFDC
LD BC,FDC_STATUS
GETFD2
IN A,(C)
JP P,GETFD2
INC C
IN A,(C)
RET
PUTFDC
EX AF,AF'
LD BC,FDC_STATUS PUTFD2
IN A,(C)
JP P,PUTFD2
EX AF,AF'
INC C
OUT (C),A
RET This issue may come illogical things in the FDC code before which is not problematic on a real computer, I have never tried to rad any doc on FDC and have not idea of how it works.
Quote from: GOB on 18:26, 28 June 16
Is there others demo or gfx compo/sound from the Reset ?
if I remember well, there was
- one cpc old pic
- one amstrac plus pic
- one soundtracker zic of tony
- one digitracker zic (by brink ?)
- one arkos tracker zic by ???
I left befor the votes, not idea of the results
Quote from: krusty_benediction on 19:56, 28 June 16
FDC_Scan
ld a,%01001010 ;; read id
call PUTFDC
ld a,(FDCHEAD) ;; head and physical drive unit
sla a
sla a
ld b,a
ld a,(FDCDRIVE)
or b
call PUTFDC
;; there is a delay here...
call GETFDC ;; status and c,h,r,n from first read sector id.
ld (ST0),a
call GETFDC
ld (ST1),a
call GETFDC
ld (ST2),a
;Lis information dans A.
call GETFDC ;Numero Piste
ld (.track_nb), a
call GETFDC ;Tete logique
ld (.side), a
call GETFDC ;Nom Secteur
ld (.sector), a
call GETFDC ;Taille secteur
ld (.size), a
ret
.track_nb db 0
.side db 0
.sector db 0
.size db 0
which use the following routines from Arkos FDC routines probably modified by Syx
FDC_STATUS EQU $FB7E ;
;Get data from FDC
;Ret = A=FDC data
GETFDC
LD BC,FDC_STATUS
GETFD2
IN A,(C)
JP P,GETFD2 ;; minus (bit 7 set) = data ready, bit 6 is not checked (CPU->FDC OR FDC->CPU).
INC C
IN A,(C)
RET
PUTFDC
EX AF,AF'
LD BC,FDC_STATUS PUTFD2
IN A,(C) ;; again ready for data but not checking direction.
JP P,PUTFD2
EX AF,AF'
INC C
OUT (C),A
RET
This issue may come illogical things in the FDC code before which is not problematic on a real computer, I have never tried to rad any doc on FDC and have not idea of how it works.
I added comments. Do you check ST0/ST1/ST2 in your code or assume all is ok?
Which Winape did you test with? Is it the newest?
EDIT: Code does a read id on side 1. Internal drive will ignore that because it's single sided. So this code works on both single sided and double sided discs allowing you to insert the disc you want.
So if a the 3" version is written to a double sided disk but only one side then the load will fail to find the part.
Not sure why Winape needs two id reads to make it work??
I develop on several (Linux...) machines, not sure the tested winape is always the same (high probability that it is version 2 beta 1) ; I cannot verify now.
I do not check ST0/ST1/ST2 at this moment ; only later after a call to load the sectors of a file (in fact it is Targhan's routine which do that by themselves)
And yes the code is voluntarily the same on 3" and 3"5 drives (thus you need the double sided dsk for emulators and to respect the order of the sides on 3"5 drive).
GETFDC and PUTFDC only check bit 7 (highest bit), so this is to check if the FDC is ready for data transfer. But the routines DO NOT check other bit of the main status register. That's bad! They should at least check bit 6 (data direction!). You can easily add that. :)
Other issue: Do you check for Drive Ready before you read the ID? Well, maybe in WinApe you "switch on the motor" too late and this way the second "Read ID" only works. This is in case the real 3" drive reports "Ready" a bit before WinApe does it. OR: Your real CPC has a floppy with jumped Ready signal. Here: Read Status 3 before issue "Read ID" command, to be sure the Drive is Ready AND wait enough time to be sure the drives with Jumped-Ready Signal will be "Ready" in reality (and not only report so). :)
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My favorite demos always have been: Ecole buissionair, that stuff from Prodatron with the vector balls and Odisofts art (sorry, don't remember names) and a couple others... but this one put's em all to 2 place.
Krusty seems to be responsible for all that. So THANK YOU for at least 30 years more!!! :) :) :)
Say what you want, but CPC scene is just pure awesomeness. :) :) :)
Thank you guys for this, I never expected to see it finished :)
There is a lot to love about the quality of this megademo. The intro is really good, the scrolling in the menu amazing, the parts are really polished.
I like mostly the Shinra and Benediction parts but the others are cool too (new sprite record, GPA screen with big greet memories of old/new sceners and game companies).
I think the Futurs and Vanity must look amazing, I only checked the youtube for these parts, since I now have only CRTC 0 CPC and these parts should mostly look great and smooth in the real machine and you miss the magic in youtube or emulator. It's a pitty I only have a CRTC0 CPC and CPC+ here, I used to have 3 CRTC1 CPCs back in Greece.
Where there any other releases at ReSeT?
Currently transferring it to discs, can't wait to watch it!
Why three sides (42-tracks) for 3.5 discs though? couldn't you guys pack everything on two sides (80-tracks)?
Currently transferring it to discs, can't wait to watch it!
Quote from: khaz on 19:53, 01 July 16
Why three sides (42-tracks) for 3.5 discs though? couldn't you guys pack everything on two sides (80-tracks)?
3 discs are used in order to be able to launch the demo on 3inches disc without having to create two versions of the demos.
Maybe it was a wrong choice if nobody use anymore the original drives (I do not myself)
Quote from: krusty_benediction on 21:02, 01 July 16
Currently transferring it to discs, can't wait to watch it!
3 discs are used in order to be able to launch the demo on 3inches disc without having to create two versions of the demos.
Maybe it was a wrong choice if nobody use anymore the original drives (I do not myself)
It's always a good idea to go for 3", I mean it's 30" of CPC years. :) However, why not making a version for 3.5" (5.25" is the same anyway) in addition? It shouldn't be much effort imho. :) If I can help with FDC stuff let me know. :)
I am not sure I am ready to spend more time on this project now, I need to do and think of other things.
ATM I have 0 bytes free (so almost impossible to fix future bugs that can be found), but if I remove the turndiscs I should have enough space for the extracode.
@TFM (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=179) I can suggest:
- to wait (and pray ?) that I am ready to do that
- to share you the code in order to let you modify what can be done (as everything is fully automated in a Docker container, maybe it is also necessary to write the tools able to manage discs with a different formatting that the AMSDOS one)
Take your time and a break! You guys did just super awesome work!!! :) :) :)
Very cool release. Thanks to all the guys involved in this production. And thank you in general to all the other guys out there who spend a lot of time to keep our beloved CPC still alive with their work. Sadly I don't find as much time as I would like for my little CPC.
I've just discovered how to write links with anchors in youtube videos at specific position.
So I have added them tothe 30 years megademo video in order to select quickly which part to watch. Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhh1xZ6OXp8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhh1xZ6OXp8).
Note that it is also possible on a real CPC to load only one specific part:
RUN"30YMD" 'BENEDICTION
RUN"30YMD" 'CREDITS
RUN"30YMD" 'DIRTY MINDS
RUN"30YMD" 'FUTURS
RUN"30YMD" 'GPA
RUN"30YMD" 'PULPO
RUN"30YMD" 'SHINRA
RUN"30YMD" 'VANITY
To skip intro:
RUN"30YMD" 'MENU
I have not expected that, but the MD is nominated in the BEST LOW-END DEMO category of the The Meteoriks Awards 2017 https://2017.meteoriks.org/nominees#nominees-74
Here is the full list of nominees for this category
BEST LOW-END DEMO
Unmec by Agenda
Lunatico by lft
Across The Edge by deMarche
Wonderland XIII by Censor Design
30 Years Amstrad Megademo by Benediction & Vanity
Quote from: krusty_benediction on 10:20, 03 April 17
The Meteoriks Awards 2017
I like that they are announcing the awards at Revision on...
(If you don't get the joke, you're not really a demoscener... and you're not really missing a great joke! ^_^)
a bit late but is it me or no proper Youtube HD/HQ version with at least 720x50hz is available ?
Else congratulation for the nomination at Meteorik's awards. Sadly no win.
Quote from: MacDeath on 20:12, 21 May 17
a bit late but is it me or no proper Youtube HD/HQ version with at least 720x50hz is available ?
I have a VOB file; I can share it with you if you are able to create a better video; I'm not expert, I do not know how to do it differently.
BTW what is the interest in doing an HD video of a SD video ?
for the internet visibility... despite CPC not quite being even 480p, if you don't have at least a real 720p50hz or 1080p50hz you can't see the proper clean pixels on the Youtube Video and animation frames are not well adjusted.
But yeah I quite catch your argument or "just pulls it on a real machine"... ;)
Still better to have demos properly displayed on youtube in clean HD than loosy 240p or alike full of blurry compression artefacts (exagerating, the 480p version is not that bad of course).
got to remember CPC being somewhat on the 272 or even 280 vertical size, it doesn't match well with a 480 vertical size (not clean magnification)
Also online watchers may have many different sort of screens to display so best quality from the beginning ensure best watch pleasure for the masses.
And many Demo-fans are not especially Amstrad CPC specialists and may not be wanting to fire proper emulator or have real hardware.
and in proper HD sizes you can see the proper pixelings as well and see if mode0 or mode1 or 2 ... and clean screens when video is put on pause.
exemple :
the "proper" Overflow's version in 1080p50 available :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22wSm4y27Wk
some reposts in "low res" (and emulator displayed lol) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zs3HXJtpR8
another exemple : oh sweet 240p I meet you again...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkslG1SBRo8
if original video is in "lowrez" there is compression, so there are artefacts on the screen...
360p:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XVVkX4KHxU
1080p50 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMV49MBiTIY
of course it is not like as it should be watched : on a real CRT screen, but it doesn't give a good watching experience to have those compression artefacts, blurryness or even bad sound quality or bad re-scaling on modern HD/4K monitors.
just saying.