looking for Battle Beyond The Stars cover art scan
can anyone help thanks
CPC-Power is usually the place to look (http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&onglet=package&num=369). ;)
Saddly, covers are "watermarked"
shame about watermark why would they do that ! i dont see the point
not helping anyone
Found here (http://cpcrulez.fr/GamesTest/battle_beyond_the_stars.htm?t=Uw==)
just ... CPCRULEZ | AMSTRAD CPC | GAMESLIST | BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS (c) SOLAR SOFTWARE (http://cpcrulez.fr/GamesTest/battle_beyond_the_stars.htm)
Quote from: David Warry on 12:22, 15 February 16
shame about watermark why would they do that ! i dont see the point
not helping anyone
If it was me who had put all that work into scanning these covers, I would add the watermark in order to prevent anyone from stealing all of my hard work onto their own sites.
But I also wouldn't have a problem sending someone a version without the watermark, if I was asked.
If it was me who had put all that work into scanning these covers, I would add the watermark in order to prevent anyone from stealing all of my hard work onto their own sites.
But I also wouldn't have a problem sending someone a version without the watermark, if I was asked.
i understand that but they a making a copy of something that is 30 years old do they owm the rights better to make it avaleable to all then to be lost to history
Quote from: David Warry on 10:42, 16 February 16
i understand that but they a making a copy of something that is 30 years old do they owm the rights better to make it avaleable to all then to be lost to history
Just take the following point of view :
You invest a lot of time and money to provide functional dump, scan, history of 30 years old stuff, and someone else just grab it, put is logo on it, publish and takes all the credit for that work.
What would you do except putting your own banner on it?
The other possibility is to stop sharing at all.
If people cannot get the images, then what's the purpose?
Anyway, many of CPC Power's scans are done by people like CPCManiaco, precisely to allow people to access them.
I know Bruno has put a lot of effort on his site, but watermarks defeats the site's purpose. Just imagine all wikipedia images watermarked like that...
I used to write reviews (in Spanish) for my Amstrad CPC blog a few years ago until I decided to employ the time in something like creating new games instead of writing about other´s productions :) . Anyway, the point is that I was always writing about games I physically own and providing, if possible, the maps, covers and instructions manuals scanned and restored without water marks. I thought about it for a long time and then I decided that the little banner in the bottom of the image would suffice. Actually, I think that I was right, nobody stole anything from my page, as far as I know, probably because the material is free and you can easily link it. On the other hand, I do not have any kind of right over the games, it is probably not even legal to upload the material :)
For example, this is my review of Myth:
MYTH HISTORY ON THE MAKING | Mundo CPC (http://mundo-cpc.com/2009/04/12/myth-history-on-the-making/)
and this is the cover with the manual:
https://mundocpc.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/portada_manual_300ppp.jpg (https://mundocpc.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/portada_manual_300ppp.jpg)
The watermark is, of course, a personal decision. The good news is that the one used CPC-Power could be easily removed. The bad news is that the scan quality is not good anyway. I mean, the image is nice and useful from the historic point of view, but not to print it.
Quote from: David Warry on 12:22, 15 February 16
shame about watermark why would they do that ! i dont see the point
Because Kukulcan (the CPC-POWER admin) felt that a certain other CPC archive was 'stealing' his scans
en masse, so the watermark is intended to prevent that from happening in the future.
What's with all the watermark bollocks... I thought in the spirit of the community, it was all about sharing our childhood memories.
If these people were responsible for creating the images, and not just uploading, I could understand. We share the ROMS, but not the eff'ing pictures... WTF!
Quote from: ukmarkh on 22:58, 16 February 16
What's with all the watermark bollocks... I thought in the spirit of the community, it was all about sharing our childhood memories.
If these people were responsible for creating the images, and not just uploading, I could understand. We share the ROMS, but not the eff'ing pictures... WTF!
A lot of them are exclusive to cpc-power, scanned in by and/or for Kukulcan to use on that site. I myself have donated a small number. A lot of time and effort, and undoubtedly money has gone into cpc-power by Kukulcan and others to make it the awesome resource it is. I think its incredibly cheeky for people to just take from there and use as their own without asking first, so putting an unobtrusive watermark on the images to prevent stealing is totally reasonable and fair.
You talk about spirit of the community, but the sad fact is there are those who go against this spirit. It certainly is not Kukulcan. It is those who necessitate the need for these measures.
Stealing... What are you on about? I'm talking about sharing the love. These are old images from everyone's past.
If you lock them in to a single site, and heaven forbid, the site disappears, we lose everything. Remember that other CPC site (CPC ZONE) that went tits up!
That was a big loss to the community. This is not about one person or one site, people upload their ROMS all the time, and share with the community, how is sharing information a problem.
That's what the internet should be about, sharing information. If the site is as good as you say it is, then there's no problems.
What about all the people on here, who break their eff'ing backs for free, to help each other, and support the community. That's no different to the knob who hides ChaseHQ 2 away from the rest of us, he's no good to the community and can fcuk off!
Chase HQ2 guy, I hope he has at least done the smart thing of duplicating it in some way so that a copy is available if something terrible occurs to the cart
Quote from: EgoTrip on 23:30, 16 February 16
A lot of them are exclusive to cpc-power, scanned in by and/or for Kukulcan to use on that site. I myself have donated a small number. A lot of time and effort, and undoubtedly money has gone into cpc-power by Kukulcan and others to make it the awesome resource it is. I think its incredibly cheeky for people to just take from there and use as their own without asking first, so putting an unobtrusive watermark on the images to prevent stealing is totally reasonable and fair.
You talk about spirit of the community, but the sad fact is there are those who go against this spirit. It certainly is not Kukulcan. It is those who necessitate the need for these measures.
I totally understand your point, but i think this is bad practise in term of preservation.
Even if, and it's the case as he stated so, Bruno gives unwatermarked scans to anyone who asks it, having only one man who have the whole set make it vulnerable to hard drive crash, fire, thieft or anything like that.
If anything like that must happen, then it means everything start again to nearly 0.
When a set is well shared, you can be sure that nothing can happen to it.
Looks like it started out as a simple question that has opened a minor can of worms!!
I am sure if you ask the site owner for a specific pic you will get it. Its not like you are wanting 1000's of images.
The few times I contacted Bruno he was approachable and nice, so I would try to ask him for a non watermarked image; he may even have it in higher quality.
(actually, I just checked and he mentions on cpc-power that is OK to contact him regarding this)
Quote from: EgoTrip on 23:30, 16 February 16
I think its incredibly cheeky for people to just take from there and use as their own without asking first, so putting an unobtrusive watermark on the images to prevent stealing is totally reasonable and fair.
I wouldn't describe CPC-POWER's watermark as 'unobtrusive'... :laugh:
Ok I stand corrected, its been a few weeks since I actually viewed any images on there, and indeed they do have big watermarks on them. Last time I did they had those cut-off watermarks which I assumed were still there. I still stand by the points I made though. Blame the cheeky thieves not Bruno.
Hey, it's not like people went to Bruno's place and stole his computer and storage devices...
If you put something on Internet, you know what you're in for.
Ok, it would be nice, as it happened to me on The Dragon Archive, that a user asked me for permission to use my scans for the Dragon article on Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_32/64) and credited me for them. But, seriously, expecting people not to do what they like with the contents you provide is a bit naive.
On top of that, as it happens with DRM all around the place, in the end, the people that play legal on you, it's the one that suffer from these kind of security measures.
Quote from: robcfg on 23:28, 17 February 16
Hey, it's not like people went to Bruno's place and stole his computer and storage devices...
If you put something on Internet, you know what you're in for.
Ok, it would be nice, as it happened to me on The Dragon Archive, that a user asked me for permission to use my scans for the Dragon article on Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_32/64) and credited me for them. But, seriously, expecting people not to do what they like with the contents you provide is a bit naive.
On top of that, as it happens with DRM all around the place, in the end, the people that play legal on you, it's the one that suffer from these kind of security measures.
Moreover, you can discourage people who would contribute as it would be an efficient way to share, but would mind seeing a huge watermark on their work...
Why discuss this HERE and not just have a chat with Kukulcan ?
He is a nice guy and if you have a good argument I do not think he would behave "ignorant" ?
Quote from: robcfg on 23:28, 17 February 16
Hey, it's not like people went to Bruno's place and stole his computer and storage devices...
If you put something on Internet, you know what you're in for.
Ok, it would be nice, as it happened to me on The Dragon Archive, that a user asked me for permission to use my scans for the Dragon article on Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_32/64) and credited me for them. But, seriously, expecting people not to do what they like with the contents you provide is a bit naive.
On top of that, as it happens with DRM all around the place, in the end, the people that play legal on you, it's the one that suffer from these kind of security measures.
Couldn't agree more... it's stupid!
Quote from: SRS on 23:37, 17 February 16
Why discuss this HERE and not just have a chat with Kukulcan ?
He is a nice guy and if you have a good argument I do not think he would behave "ignorant" ?
Put it this way, if he was running Instagram or Pintrest, they'd be fcukin bankrupt by now. The internet is about sharing, if you upload something, but don't want other people to properly see it or use it, then don't upload it in the first place.
I've seen scans I've provided here used in online videos and my thought was that it was great.
If I'd put a big watermark on them they probably wouldn't have been used and the videos might've been the poorer for it.
I make images all the time for the Internet and love it when I see them shared or used elsewhere plus it isn't like I created the original images I used in my finally work so who am I to try and trademark or watermark owt I do?
I don't agree with that but I understand that what I think isn't the same as what everyone else thinks.
If another website is taking images or in this case scans from another in large numbers and reusing them without credit as to where they came from then that's not in the spirit of sharing but did you put them up there just to be looked at and not used?
That's my tuppence worth.
All it really comes down to, is whether someone else is making money on your work.
In my case, I've made a ton of music, and I've always put all of it online for everyone to download and listen to for free.
That's not the same as accepting people using my music in games that they make money on.
Same deal with any other kind of creative work.
For me, it makes little sense to watermark that way. I mean, what's the point in providing a big, nice scan and then destroy it with a huge watermark? It's pointless! Just put a smaller image in there with an even smaller watermark.
I don't feel comfortable with scanning somebody else's work and then putting my own stuff on it. There are some genuine cases where that's valid enough though: Take Artcade (http://www.bitmapbooks.co.uk/products/artcade-the-book-of-classic-arcade-game-art?variant=6989580099) - the guy has spent tons of time, energy and money to locate, acquire the rights to, and *restore* those arcade pieces of art, so I can't go claiming them. But a game cover scan? nah...
Of course there's them bad apples that will steal "your" stuff and put them on their site. That's despicable, for sure. But undermining your own work, destroying it, just to prevent them? Not sure I'm seeing that.
Quote from: Gryzor on 13:52, 18 February 16
Of course there's them bad apples that will steal "your" stuff and put them on their site. That's despicable, for sure. But undermining your own work, destroying it, just to prevent them? Not sure I'm seeing that.
I agreed with everything you mentioned until this last part, please give an example of who these bad apples are, who are stealing uploaded Amstrad images?
Er, I don't know, it was mentioned before in the thread. I have no first person knowledge.
i did not mean to start WW3 i would just like a set of nice covers for my roms the artt work is what i remember looking at as a kid ... its just a shame that no one has full set for all to use ... there will come a point where they will be lost forever and that will be a sad day for everyone
Quote from: David Warry on 02:08, 19 February 16
i did not mean to start WW3 i would just like a set of nice covers for my roms the artt work is what i remember looking at as a kid ... its just a shame that no one has full set for all to use ... there will come a point where they will be lost forever and that will be a sad day for everyone
Seems most of the world have got there sites set on it at the moment though, sadly.
I'm sure if you speak to the guy he may be reasonable enough .
@Puresox (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=511) is right, just send a PM to @Kukulcan (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=450) , I'm pretty sure he'll send you what you need.
As for the watermark dilemma, we love CPCPower, we appreciate Kukulcan's work and we understand his feelings regarding people that download the content on his site massively, but the solution to the problem is hurting more the people who really cares rather than the people meant to be kept away.
Sorry if we got carried away!
I haven't seen this thread as getting out of hand but as a good discussion.
Maybe I missed something but I hope not.