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Title: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 19:06, 28 July 13
Anybody an idea? Who is this person called Missas?
IMHO his votings are far off reality. [nb]And yes, I say that because he gave me only 6 for Cyber Huhn.[/nb]
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: EgoTrip on 22:43, 28 July 13
It's just one person's opinion. Those reviews are only a very rough guide, and 6 is still above average.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 23:58, 28 July 13
Quote from: EgoTrip on 22:43, 28 July 13
It's just one person's opinion. Those reviews are only a very rough guide, and 6 is still above average.

Well, you got 5 for the Pix game. And 6 is not too far away. I think that you deserve the 8 points for Subtera Puzlo of course. But 5 points for a simple basic game, while a machine code program gets 6 points, completely ignoring the fact that no other game ever displayed over 40 sprites at a time, the whole crap in 3D space. That just suxxx!
And further more this guy uses great sentences like: "The graphics are average with four colours used, and the chickens are well drawn.". There is not much more than chickens, so is it average or well?
I think this guy is taking the Crack!

EDIT: That kind of crappy reviews are really highly frustrating and keep people from making games for the CPC. Shame on him!
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: redbox on 07:20, 29 July 13
Wow, that's so cool to have reviews of the games on this website.

I use it all the time so it's great to see something I've been involved with on there.  Just need Xyphoe to do some long plays now ;)

Link: CPC GAME REVIEWS (http://www.cpcgamereviews.com/)

@TFM - this is a games review website, not a technical achievement website...! So the scores reflect how much the reviewer enjoyed playing the game and of course they are personal opinions.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: AMSDOS on 09:46, 29 July 13
The majority of games on CPC Games Review get the "Thumbs Down" - I just ignore it.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: EgoTrip on 10:41, 29 July 13
If you let one person discourage you, then I think you are the one smoking crack. Look at the results for the competition, some people voted your game above the rest in all 4 categories, so that shows that some people played the game and figured out for themselves what they liked best. Don't be such a crybaby.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TMR on 13:28, 29 July 13
As a developer i know that bad or meh reviews are pretty painful because that's something you've poured your heart and soul into, but you've either got to go with the flow and try to learn from all of the given feedback and not just the positive stuff or, if you're truly confident with what you're doing (and perhaps have a core audience egging you on) just feckin' go for it and do what you feel is right.

Ultimately, trying to please all of the people all of the time is an extremely efficient way to slowly unscrew your brain and no matter how good a programmer or indeed program is they will always get a less than stellar review from someone.

Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: HAL6128 on 18:29, 29 July 13
...the voting of CPCWiki speaks a clearer and unambiguously language in contradiction to just one review. The difference is there's more prose from an author and that is not a objective scale, only a subjective one.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 19:29, 29 July 13
Quote from: redbox on 07:20, 29 July 13
@TFM - this is a games review website, not a technical achievement website...! So the scores reflect how much the reviewer enjoyed playing the game and of course they are personal opinions.
He writes "The gameplay is pleasant and the grab factor is quite strong". So why damn 6 point. I bet he didn't even discover that this game has a title song. [nb]Which of course is off by default, nobody want's the boss to see you playing video games in the office or where ever ;-)[/nb]
Yes, it's a personal opinion. Games from Spain get usually 9 or 10 points. Other countries get screwed. I liked CPC Games reviews, but now I just think these scores are based of nothing than emotions which don't belong to the CPC scene - or is it really just sloppiness.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ralferoo on 20:45, 29 July 13
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:29, 29 July 13
Games from Spain get usually 9 or 10 points. Other countries get screwed.
I just checked. Teodora no sabe volar (from Spain) only got 8 points, and I think that's the best CPC game I've played for a long while.

What this shows is that different people have different tastes and user reviews naturally reflect that.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Bryce on 21:11, 29 July 13
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:29, 29 July 13
He writes "The gameplay is pleasant and the grab factor is quite strong". So why damn 6 point.

Because he hates you!  >:( ;D

Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:29, 29 July 13
Which of course is off by default, nobody want's the boss to see you playing video games in the office or where ever ;-)

I think the fact that I had a CPC on my desk would raise more suspicion than the musik.

Bryce.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 21:29, 29 July 13
Oh well, some really use emulators at work. [nb]What I hereby admit.[/nb]
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TotO on 22:01, 29 July 13
You scored the same as Cybernoid & Cybernoid 2... All is relative! ;)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 22:42, 29 July 13
Quote from: TotO on 22:01, 29 July 13
You scored the same as Cybernoid & Cybernoid 2... All is relative! ;)
Indeed! And these games are wonderful. In turn this doesn't help to cast better light on the quality of these reviews - which are also in this case far off reality.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Metr on 23:11, 29 July 13

In my opinion always :DMissel is watching every cpc video on youtube usually, and I think he usually give his opinion as player.
For me all the games in the comp are great. I'm aware of the great effort is to make a game, plus in 16KB.
But I think those kind of reviews doesn't talk about the technical stuff they involve, because they are there to express the feelings playing a game.


It's not fair to compare this kind of games with regular games. But if you have to do it (and agreeing that I like a lot what I've played, even you have mouse support!), bad thing with Cyber Hunh (and this is my opinion), is that in 7-8 minutes you have seen everything, you have played everything. 2 games are enough to kill all the stuff and even have to wait to get the timer down, because you are out of enemies before and the games doesn't change. There are no more levels. And I like what I've played.

And I'm not trying to offence in any way, as I said I admire every piece of work you made, and for a comp you need to impress for technic. I just supose that's why it's a six for him, in terms of what a player will get.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 01:05, 30 July 13
Quote from: Metr on 23:11, 29 July 13
... is that in 7-8 minutes you have seen everything, you have played everything. 2 games are enough to kill all the stuff and even have to wait to get the timer down...
Good point. It was different before, but I gave the game to a guy who told it is to hard, so I shifted the hit-range more towards to end of the 3D space. In the update you have the option between a closer and more far away hit-range.
I agree, it has only one level and that's maybe not the best thing. A 7-8 would be fine. Well, till the end of the year I will have the update of Cyber Huhn for ROM, and in addition as 64 KB and 128 KB version. Each one has a different feature set depending of the amount of available memory.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Gryzor on 08:11, 30 July 13
Just a single score for a whole game is an inadequate way to judge a game. What's more, the whole site (which I love) is a collection of quick reviews, you can't expect in-depth analyses. OR consistency.


For me a 8 should be awarded to very few games, with the hindsight of almost 30 years of CPC gaming. Try and put it in perpective...
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: AMSDOS on 08:30, 30 July 13
Quote from: ralferoo on 20:45, 29 July 13
I just checked. Teodora no sabe volar (from Spain) only got 8 points, and I think that's the best CPC game I've played for a long while.

Haven't played that one, but noticed the Invasion of the Zombies was given a 9. Personally I felt it was more of a 6 due to the frustration I get from it.  :D
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 21:18, 30 July 13
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:11, 30 July 13
For me a 8 should be awarded to very few games, with the hindsight of almost 30 years of CPC gaming. Try and put it in perpective...
For a 8 just search for text-only adventures. They all get an 8 ;-)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Nich on 18:04, 03 August 13
Quote from: AMSDOS on 09:46, 29 July 13
The majority of games on CPC Games Review get the "Thumbs Down" - I just ignore it.
It could be because I've become rather jaded after reviewing CPC games for nearly 15 years (I started the site in November 1998, although it's sometimes hard for me to believe it was that long ago) - or it could be that the large majority of the good games have already been reviewed and therefore only the bad and not-so-good games are reviewed nowadays.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Nich on 18:22, 03 August 13
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:06, 28 July 13
Anybody an idea? Who is this person called Missas?
IMHO his votings are far off reality.
He's Greek, and he reviews new CPC releases only. I have noticed that he tends to rate most games a lot more highly than I would, but he is entitled to his opinion! (He also insists that the chickens are actually ducks. :P)

In my opinion, if I had written the review, I would probably have also rated Cyber Huhn 6/10 - and that's being generous. I don't believe that technical achievements should influence the rating of a game; what I care about is a combination of the graphics, sound effects, music, and most importantly, how good the game is to play. In that respect, I agree with Metr's assessment - once you've played it a few times, you've seen the entire game.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Nich on 18:43, 03 August 13
Quote from: TFM/FS on 01:05, 30 July 13
Well, till the end of the year I will have the update of Cyber Huhn for ROM, and in addition as 64 KB and 128 KB version. Each one has a different feature set depending of the amount of available memory.
When the 64K and 128K versions are released, I (or Missas, depending on who is quicker) will re-review it.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Nich on 18:47, 03 August 13
Quote from: TFM/FS on 21:18, 30 July 13
For a 8 just search for text-only adventures. They all get an 8 ;-)
Aren't most of those text-only adventures released by Infocom? I'm certainly not the biggest fan of the genre, but most aficionados of 1980s text-only adventures will probably tell you that the quality of Infocom's games stands far above the competition.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 20:39, 03 August 13
Thanks for the comments. Ok, for good players CH may be a bit (too) easy. But that's the fun about it on the other hand. However, it was harder before and test-players complained about that.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: AMSDOS on 23:28, 03 August 13
Quote from: Nich on 18:04, 03 August 13
It could be because I've become rather jaded after reviewing CPC games for nearly 15 years (I started the site in November 1998, although it's sometimes hard for me to believe it was that long ago) - or it could be that the large majority of the good games have already been reviewed and therefore only the bad and not-so-good games are reviewed nowadays.

I can understand that everyone will have their hits & misses based on preferential ideals and how many games someone has played.
The difference between you and me is you've probably played nearly every CPC game, and by contrast can compare games to other similar games, and draw conclusions based on preferences to which games you'd prefer, which is understandable.  :)
Someone like myself has probably only managed to scratch the surface and played 5% of CPC games ever made, so that by contrast would reflect how I reviewed a game, so there are games on your site which have a middle of the range number to low-ish number which, I've had a tendency of playing a lot and have come to enjoy.  ;D
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 03:47, 04 August 13
The reviews in CPC Games Review are IMHO not an review, at least not in the sense I understand that word as a scientist. In a review (in science) you need to give a citation (or data) for any statement you provide.
I guess I may do a "Serious Review of CPC Games" site in which games are judged by clear criteria and facts. So the contrast to CPC Reviews, which are mainly based on personal likes or emotions.
On the other hand I have no time to waste for review, I prefer to do original work.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TotO on 08:06, 04 August 13
CPC Games Reviews is a great website with experimented peoples playing to all CPC games to give a feedback about "how they liked games". It allow everyone to find a CPC game simply by looking a screenshot and reading a short review of each of them. A link to download it quickly or to go to cpc-power and get more informations.
That represent a big work and I'm proud to see that the 2013 16K ROM Contest games are now on it. :)

You can disagree with some scores... Why Cybernoid get only 6, for me it's a great game... And, why Overkoban get 9 and not win the contest? Hey!!! It's just the reviewer feedback. You have better to play to the game yourself.

I love this website (but R-Type only get 10... It deserve more XD) and I'm each time impatient to read the next reviews, because that make me dream like in the paper magazines in the 80s. :)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ralferoo on 08:52, 04 August 13
Hahahahahahahaha. So I guess TFM has never read a games magazine in the last 30 years... Here's a hint: a game review is one person's subjective opinion, not a scientific report.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TotO on 09:25, 04 August 13
Quote from: ralferoo on 08:52, 04 August 13
Hahahahahahahaha. So I guess TFM has never read a games magazine in the last 30 years... Here's a hint: a game review is one person's subjective opinion, not a scientific report.
I speak to everyone when I said "you".
I'm sure that TFM love his game and that he worked hard on it. So I can understand his disappointment.
Sadly, the work done is not proportional to the end user feedback...
For example, with my brothers, we spend more time to play to a simple BASIC Tron game than all other games on CPC. There is no justice in this world. :D
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: AMSDOS on 10:52, 04 August 13
Quote from: TotO on 08:06, 04 August 13
CPC Games Reviews is a great website with experimented peoples playing to all CPC games to give a feedback about "how they liked games". It allow everyone to find a CPC game simply by looking a screenshot and reading a short review of each of them. A link to download it quickly or to go to cpc-power and get more informations.
That represent a big work and I'm proud to see that the 2013 16K ROM Contest games are now on it. :)

You can disagree with some scores... Why Cybernoid get only 6, for me it's a great game... And, why Overkoban get 9 and not win the contest? Hey!!! It's just the reviewer feedback. You have better to play to the game yourself.

I love this website (but R-Type only get 10... It deserve more XD) and I'm each time impatient to read the next reviews, because that make me dream like in the paper magazines in the 80s. :)

Would it be ideal if there was a Journal area where members can start their own threads and just write about Games they enjoy playing?
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TotO on 11:10, 04 August 13
You can already do it on cpc-power, after clicking on the related link of each cpc games review .
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Gryzor on 17:10, 04 August 13
Oh yeah, let's have a scientific site where reviews get peer-reviewed and come complete with bibliography and source data :D Also, the maintainer could charge for review submissions. I wonder if published reviews could count towards professorship or something ;)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 18:05, 04 August 13
No professorships. You must be someone before you are allowed to review. Sadly than you have a lot of reviews to do. I don't like to do that kind of work. But journals approach me all the time.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: fano on 20:51, 04 August 13
My first approach was to ignore this thread but is this serious ? Seriously , is this serious ?  :o
Review is something very subjective so as long the reviewer doesn't disrespect the author and his work, i do not see the problem here but maybe i missed some subtilities of the Shakespeare language... ...I understand you found it unfair because it is your work but i think if you have an idea about how your work is good you so can accept a review that does not show your work in only a favorable point of view (as long it is respectfull) , if not you have a serious lack of self confidence.
Reviewing is something else than scientific approach, that reflects reviewer opininon , that's all.If you want to see the technical side , it is so a technical studie and this is something that does only takes technicals facts, but in games , technical side is not the only one.
And speaking about allowed people to do reviews, i am afraid with this idea, why not allowing only some people to post on forum too (i should not as my engrish is very very... ...engrish !)


PS: you're right , the review of this site aren't that good , R-Type got 10 ! How will he do to give a score to our next prods, creating a higher range ? :laugh:

Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 22:05, 04 August 13
I just dislike sloppy "reviews"... He wasn't even able to press key "2" to switch the title music on. The sloppiness of this page is not a new impression to me. For me a review should be based on facts.

Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Devilmarkus on 00:04, 05 August 13
Come on guys... Who cares about reviews?

I mean: Really, a game review is written by a single person.
Everyone can have his own opinion about a game and thats it.

Also:
No game can be so perfect and get 20 of 10 points, than this CPC masterpiece (http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&num=6262)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Missas on 07:10, 05 August 13
Dear TFM
I am the user who wrote the reviews about the cpc wiki games. Regarding your game, Cyber Hunn, would it be fair to rate it over 6 since it is a 16kb game?I was reluctant to rate it with only 6 because I greatly appreciate people like you who keep our CPC alive! But what about other bigger games that receive 6 or 7?If I rate your game higher what should I do with the other new games? I am sure that Gerelakos for example will receive 9 or 10 but I am not sure that I can rate over 6 Cyber Hunn.
With great Respect
Missas
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Misel982001 on 07:19, 05 August 13
Dear TFM.

I've sent you a reply. I am the person who wrote the review.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: EgoTrip on 09:12, 05 August 13
Don't let TFM make you feel guilty or backtrack just because your opinion, which you are fully entitled to, is different to his. He is a drama queen with a bruised ego, and a bad loser. Although nobody really lost in the competition. There can only be one first place.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: AMSDOS on 09:52, 05 August 13
I occasionally write the odd review when it comes to some music or an album (obviously not for Rolling Stone Magazine), and I haven't had people tell me I have no authority to write reviews. It maybe true, though I've had people say I write good reviews because I try and justify what I like and dislike about something, instead of saying it's good or it's crap, without any explanation, which is important.

Music in a way can be reviewed in a similar manner to games, though obviously there is Music which isn't to ones tastes and I think the game to apply with games, though games can obviously be done badly - which everyone will generally agree it will be rubbish, music only sounds bad when the sound engineers was away on holiday or something - unless you've got the ears of Cliff Richard which can advise where The Beatles had their instruments out of tune, still it didn't stop their success.  ;D

Quote from: Devilmarkus on 00:04, 05 August 13
Come on guys... Who cares about reviews?

I like to read what everyone has to say about whatever game/program they want to write about. Obviously it would be better to read about why the program is good/bad, instead of the usual it's crap, cause it's better to see where the reviewer is coming from.  ;D


QuotePS: you're right , the review of this site aren't that good , R-Type got 10 !

Thought it might of been a typo. I played the R-Type Remake a couple of times, but found it very frustrating. :( I never played the original version with the Spectrum graphics, though I dare say it's similar. Might be better played with a Joystick.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ralferoo on 10:40, 05 August 13
OK, I'm going to get totally villified by TFM now, but to be honest I frankly don't care any more.

If I was reviewing the game it'd definitely have scored less than than 6. Even though I'm a CPC user with a good technical background, the number of sprites didn't especially stand out in the game. In fact, arguably the big regular clusters of chickens was a negative point. It'd have been better to have really had to hunt for them. The game for me started with just a couple of chickens and no indication you had to move the screen to find more. The gameplay wasn't especially engaging beyond the first play through as there was no variation. More significantly there was no satisying result from shooting a chicken and I was bored well before the time ran out. The collision detection was ropey - quite often I'd score a hit even though the missile had missed the chicken by about 4 or 5 pixels, other times I was closer than that and not score a hit. So, it was an entertaining diversion but there's nothing there that'd make me come back as I'd seen everything the game had to offer in 30 seconds.

So, contrasting that with the others:

Relentless - obviously very good, but didn't the smooth scrolling didn't work well on my LCD monitor, so I had to make more of an effort to run it on a real machine and monitor. As a CPC purist, that's fair enough, but may limit the appeal in the CPC demographic we have nowadays where there are many more CPCs without monitors. I'm not a massive fun of shoot-em-ups, but I still enjoyed it and there was variation so actually I did play it a few subsequent times. The graphics design was a bit minimalist, but I really like vector style graphics, so it worked for me.

Overkoban - nice and colourful, and fun - and let's face it, who doesn't like Sokoban! I replayed the first level many times with friends and showed to lots of people at various times. I really liked the presentation, but for me the difficulty of level 2 was so much higher than level 1 that it took me by surprise. As a result, whenever I showed the game to others, I left it on level 1 so they could actually solve it! Graphically this was probably the nicest demonstration of the CPC.

Subtero Puzlo - again a nice colourful puzzler. I liked the art style but can't help wonder if it'd have been better as a mode 0 game. I really enjoyed the puzzles on this and played quite a few levels and enjoyed all the ones I played. I'll definitely be coming back to this one again when I have more time.

So, in terms of these games - the last 3 would all have made good magazine covertape games, possibly even a reasonable budget price game as they keep you coming back for more. If I'd got CH on a covertape, I'd probably have not loaded it a second time as there was nothing more to see, as a ROM game I'd already done the work to load it to flash, so loading a second time was quick and hassle-free but there still wasn't anything to bring me back a third time.

You'll notice I've not mentioned the music, in part because the music in all the games was good, but mostly because music is a sweetner that makes a great game into an awesome game. If I don't enjoy the game, it doesn't matter how great the music is, I still won't want to play it. That said, all the music was excellent, personally I preferred the music in CH the most.

[EDIT: Just realised, on re-reading my comments about CH, they're a bit more negative than I intented. The game was fun to play initially, it just needed more variation to keep me interested and make me want to come back. Without that variation, for me it was just something to experience once.]
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: redbox on 11:32, 05 August 13
Quote from: ralferoo on 10:40, 05 August 13
Subtero Puzlo - again a nice colourful puzzler. I liked the art style but can't help wonder if it'd have been better as a mode 0 game. I really enjoyed the puzzles on this and played quite a few levels and enjoyed all the ones I played. I'll definitely be coming back to this one again when I have more time.

Thanks for your opinions ralferoo, it's appreciated.

I really like Subtera Puzlo (and I say that because I didn't design the actual game, just coded it - EgoTrip did all the rest) and enjoyed playing it myself.  But TBH, if people had said it was a big pile of poo I wouldn't have really cared because the real enjoyment for me was writing something from scratch on the CPC and proving to myself that I could do it (albeit 25 odd years later!).  If people enjoy what I coded then to me that really is just the icing on the cake.

Of course it was a competition and we wanted to compete, and to gain recognition for your work is always nice.  But it is in no way my raison d'etre.  If you complete Subtera Puzlo, the end screen will tell you how I feel about it anyway  ;)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ivarf on 12:24, 05 August 13
Quote from: ralferoo on 10:40, 05 August 13

So, in terms of these games - the last 3 would all have made good magazine covertape games, possibly even a reasonable budget price game as they keep you coming back for more. If I'd got CH on a covertape, I'd probably have not loaded it a second time as there was nothing more to see, as a ROM game I'd already done the work to load it to flash, so loading a second time was quick and hassle-free but there still wasn't anything to bring me back a third time.


If they are not more than reasonable budgetgames, then the scores of 6 and 8 is way to high in my opinion. I haven't done any reviewing as such, but has given ratings at imdb.com to movies I have seen. The ratings are from 1-10, and after 600+ movies I have a good feel for where to place the given movie. Often I feel such a scale isn't big enough, wanting the 1-20 like Amstrad User used. I guess its a lot easer to score a movie than a game. With a movie you have a fixed period of time before you give your score. For a game, you may wan't to quit after 5 minutes, and do not discover the gameplay that lays hidden in there somewhere, or maybe it isn't in there after all.
Anyhow, it would be nice to have something like the imdb-voting for CPC games too.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Devilmarkus on 12:39, 05 August 13
A score < 6 should be a motivation to do a better game ;)

I really don't understand why here's now such a whirlwind about a user review?

There are many games for the CPC which I would score with 5 or less but other people like playing them much... E.G. "Fruity Frank" is a game, I would score with 3, because it's a game what absolutely dismatches my interest list.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: MaV on 12:59, 05 August 13
*shrug* All of those games are good and way above most Amsoft and Codemasters games.

And Fruity Frank is a solid 10 on my list! :D
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ivarf on 13:06, 05 August 13
I loved many of the Amsoft games!  :D
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ralferoo on 13:27, 05 August 13
Also that same site lists Roland in the Caves as a 1. Yes, it's damn hard and I struggle to get anywhere, but after a lot of trying it's remarkably rewarding when you manage to not get caught for a while. And it's such a beautiful looking game it's hard to imagine it was released right at the beginning of the CPC's life.

This all just goes to show that different people like different things... :)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TotO on 14:11, 05 August 13
Quote from: AMSDOS on 09:52, 05 August 13I played the R-Type Remake a couple of times, but found it very frustrating. :( I never played the original version with the Spectrum graphics, though I dare say it's similar. Might be better played with a Joystick.
R-Type is know to be a very difficult game. So, try the CASUAL mode first!
You can re-spawn where you die and keep weapons to not stop your progress and enjoy it better if you are a beginner.
(that help to learn patterns and safe points for playing in ARCADE, then MASTER mode)

When you see peoples like Xyphoe or Metr, finishing the full game it less than 1 hour, you can understand that it's a skill problem. (me the first :D )
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ivarf on 14:15, 05 August 13
Quote from: ralferoo on 13:27, 05 August 13
Also that same site lists Roland in the Caves as a 1. Yes, it's damn hard and I struggle to get anywhere, but after a lot of trying it's remarkably rewarding when you manage to not get caught for a while. And it's such a beautiful looking game it's hard to imagine it was released right at the beginning of the CPC's life.

This all just goes to show that different people like different things... :)
Roland in the Caves: I am no expert player, but still managed to jump out of the caves for a couple of times in one game. I guess that means I reached level 3.
Spannerman: Have anyone managed to get to the second level of that game? Is it possible?
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Misel982001 on 14:45, 05 August 13
Hello. I am the guy who wrote the review. In great surprise, I am reading everything that you write. Someone said that I am on crack, some other gave a thumbs down for the great CPC game reviews site. Has everyone realised that the review is subjective?and that Cyber Hunn is just a 16k game? TFM, I am really disapointed about your comment regarding crack. I would expect from you to be a better person and to be able to receive a lightly negative critic. I dont think it is such a big deal to receive a 6 for a game like Hunn. To your knowledge, because I had great respect for you before reading your stupid comments about me smoking crack , I was ready to ask the Reviews site to remove my review. I want you to know that the 6 is not by me; I talked to other guys and Cyber Hunn is not so popular. It seems that you are not getting well with criticism. Sorry mate, it is just the way it goes. I am sorry if I said something bad because I feel that I owe to you, a guy who keeps our memories alive and who has created so many miracles on CPC. If there is anything you feel you should tell me, and any other guy who is attacking me I will answer to all posts.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Devilmarkus on 16:58, 05 August 13
Quote from: Misel982001 on 14:45, 05 August 13Someone said that I am on crack

Do you share it? Want some, too :D
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 18:01, 05 August 13
Quote from: Missas on 07:10, 05 August 13
Dear TFM
I am the user who wrote the reviews about the cpc wiki games. Regarding your game, Cyber Hunn, would it be fair to rate it over 6 since it is a 16kb game?I was reluctant to rate it with only 6 because I greatly appreciate people like you who keep our CPC alive! But what about other bigger games that receive 6 or 7?If I rate your game higher what should I do with the other new games? I am sure that Gerelakos for example will receive 9 or 10 but I am not sure that I can rate over 6 Cyber Hunn.
With great Respect
Missas
Well, if Pix get 5 and CH gets 6. Then that's something I really don't get. And you do rate other games higher. Overkoban f.e. got 9.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 18:06, 05 August 13
Quote from: ralferoo on 10:40, 05 August 13
OK, I'm going to get totally villified by TFM now, but to be honest I frankly don't care any more.

bla bla bal

You should have read the handbook.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ralferoo on 18:20, 05 August 13
Quote from: TFM/FS on 18:06, 05 August 13
You should have read the handbook.
Oh, you mean that proprietary Microsoft format document? I couldn't find a CPC based program to open that, sorry.

Would that have told me how to enable extra features to make the gameplay more varied?
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 18:42, 05 August 13
Quote from: ralferoo on 18:20, 05 August 13
Oh, you mean that proprietary Microsoft format document? I couldn't find a CPC based program to open that, sorry.
Would that have told me how to enable extra features to make the gameplay more varied?
You sign in here with a PC, but can't open a PC document? Than back to school!

Previously you've always bitching about CPC format and asked for PC format. And now you suddenly change mind. That tells much about your character.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ralferoo on 19:42, 05 August 13
Quote from: TFM/FS on 18:42, 05 August 13
You sign in here with a PC, but can't open a PC document? Than back to school!

Previously you've always bitching about CPC format and asked for PC format. And now you suddenly change mind. That tells much about your character.
How do you know what I "sign in here with"? As even a cursory glance through my posts shows, I use Linux. And in case it wasn't obvious, the CPC comment was a joke because you're constantly going on about how it's possible to do everything on a CPC.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 20:06, 05 August 13
Well, for jokes smileys can be used.  :P

However, even if I would like to have everything CPC, the majority wants Word, PDF or some stuff like this. And in addition nobody can expect me to add a handbook of 21 KB in a 16 KB ROM  ;)  So for you here a PDF, maybe that works. Or do you like Protext on CPC?
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 20:16, 05 August 13
God help my... I will never understand you! :o Once you kick my butt, then you give me a like.

Take it as compliment that you obviously have a very complex personality.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Misel982001 on 22:13, 05 August 13
In technical terms, PIX is weak. Weak graphics, no sound and it is only for guys who like to solve picross puzzles. If i give it more, then I should give even higher ratings to other games. Isn't it better to be fair?Hunn is a weak game in terms of gameplay; it lacks the relentless action of relentless, the design of overkoban and the speed of subterra puzlo. I liked it but I think that the other entries are stronger. I dont think we should stay on this anymore. Did you read that I feel I owe you because you are still writing games for my favourite machine ? Isn't this important for you?
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: redbox on 22:16, 05 August 13
Quote from: Misel982001 on 22:13, 05 August 13
Hunn is a weak game in terms of gameplay; it lacks the relentless action of relentless, the design of overkoban and the speed of subterra puzlo. I liked it but I think that the other entries are stronger.

Thank you Misel for taking the time to review Subtera Puzlo, I really appreciate it.

It was very cool to see it on the CPC Games Review website and I'm glad you enjoyed it  :)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 22:28, 05 August 13
Quote from: Misel982001 on 22:13, 05 August 13
In technical terms, PIX is weak. Weak graphics, no sound and it is only for guys who like to solve picross puzzles. If i give it more, then I should give even higher ratings to other games. Isn't it better to be fair?Hunn is a weak game in terms of gameplay; it lacks the relentless action of relentless, the design of overkoban and the speed of subterra puzlo. I liked it but I think that the other entries are stronger. I dont think we should stay on this anymore. Did you read that I feel I owe you because you are still writing games for my favourite machine ? Isn't this important for you?

I dunno about Hunn, but about Cyber Huhn I can't agree. Have you ever played it? I assume you saw only the vid at youtube. This vid has the title music switched off and it doesn't show the highscore list.

I will not argue about Gameplay. That's clearly left to you. But I think it's quite quick and liquid. Taking all points of the voting together it made the second winner. So all that people may not be wrong.

Now you argue with technical aspects like speed and so on. I guess for fullscreen pixel-precise scrolling and over 40 sprites at the same time it does a good job. But do you know what? Cybernoid get (IMHO totally un-understandable) also only 6 points. So at least I have good company.


You don't owe me anything. I just felt, that 6 points were not ok. And I couldn't hold back to express my feelings.

Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: EgoTrip on 22:36, 05 August 13
Quote from: Misel982001 on 22:13, 05 August 13
In technical terms, PIX is weak. Weak graphics, no sound and it is only for guys who like to solve picross puzzles. If i give it more, then I should give even higher ratings to other games. Isn't it better to be fair?Hunn is a weak game in terms of gameplay; it lacks the relentless action of relentless, the design of overkoban and the speed of subterra puzlo. I liked it but I think that the other entries are stronger. I dont think we should stay on this anymore. Did you read that I feel I owe you because you are still writing games for my favourite machine ? Isn't this important for you?


The rating for PIX is fair (probably higher than I expected really). Don't feel like you need to explain yourself, the review does that fine. If you are not into nonograms, then you are not going to like it. Unlike one certain user, I can accept criticism. Besides, PIX was just an impulse game, I coded it in BASIC as it looked quite easy to do, and I am fully aware it could have been done a lot better. Hopefully a sequel will come out by a proper coder, when he has the time to work on it (what he's done so far is really impressive, with the capacity for LOADS of levels).
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Misel982001 on 11:41, 06 August 13
Dear Redbox

Greetingx from Greece! Is subterra puzzlo your creation? It is really great! To be honest, it is so good that it stands greatly among other much bigger games....I am happy you enjoyed my review! It was my pleasure exploring subterra!
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Misel982001 on 11:53, 06 August 13

I dunno about Hunn, but about Cyber Huhn I can't agree. Have you ever played it? I assume you saw only the vid at youtube. This vid has the title music switched off and it doesn't show the highscore list.

I will not argue about Gameplay. That's clearly left to you. But I think it's quite quick and liquid. Taking all points of the voting together it made the second winner. So all that people may not be wrong.

Now you argue with technical aspects like speed and so on. I guess for fullscreen pixel-precise scrolling and over 40 sprites at the same time it does a good job. But do you know what? Cybernoid get (IMHO totally un-understandable) also only 6 points. So at least I have good company.


You don't owe me anything. I just felt, that 6 points were not ok. And I couldn't hold back to express my feelings.
TFM

of course I played it. Everygame that goes out for the CPC is under thorough examination byme. It is like a gift because the year is 2013 and the CPC is almost a generation old! I didnt write the review for Cybernoid. If it was to me I would rate it with 9. Old Rafael is a cpu devil as you know. Moreover I think that Cyber Hunn cannot match Cybernoid although they share some similarities on their title....I think that your game is good but it cannot match the other entries in terms of design, grab factor and graphics....and this is only my personal opinion. I enjoyed playing it and had many tries. Coming second with such weaknesses is a big achievement dont you think? Is it that you dont like my work on the CPC reviews site or is it that I rated your game lower than the others?I apologized for any inconvenience I caused to you but i didnt hear you apologising for your reckless manners regarding your comments that I am a drug user. If you dont like my work then its ok for me, I can live with that; we cannot befriend with anyone in life. Ratings mean nothing, they are only a script that may enable a person to try a game. If I read a review on Hunn I would definitely play it. Nevertheless I cannot rate it over other games that have become successes and by the way have a kb size 10 times bigger than your game.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Misel982001 on 11:59, 06 August 13
Dear Egotrip

I cant believe I am talking to all of you guys! You make tremendous work on our beloved machine! I dont know how to solve nonograms! I wish I knew how to write games....Thank you for your game by the way! Best wishes from Greece mate!
Title: ANYONE HAS A REVIEW WISH????
Post by: Misel982001 on 12:02, 06 August 13
DEAR ALL

IF ANYONE OF YOU WISHES, YOU CAN POST ME GAMES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE REVIEWED. IT WILL BE MY PLEASURE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY!
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: redbox on 14:21, 06 August 13
Quote from: Misel982001 on 11:41, 06 August 13
Is subterra puzzlo your creation? It is really great! To be honest, it is so good that it stands greatly among other much bigger games....I am happy you enjoyed my review! It was my pleasure exploring subterra!

EgoTrip did the design, graphics, music & fx and I did the coding.

Coding the game was a great learning journey and I'd recommend it if you're interested in CPC games.  I used lots of books on Z80, websites for the CPC/Spectrum/MSX etc and had help from the forum users here so it's all possible  :)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TFM on 17:02, 06 August 13
Quote from: Misel982001 on 11:53, 06 August 13
of course I played it. Everygame that goes out for the CPC is under thorough examination byme.
Ok, so how did you like the song?[nb]Since you omit to talk about this point at all.[/nb]
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: robcfg on 17:16, 06 August 13
Haven't we had enough already?
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: alex76gr on 17:38, 06 August 13
I agree.
This thread is pointless.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Misel982001 on 08:46, 07 August 13
I hope we are done with the Cyber Hunn topic. I would like to know more about the os you have created for the CPC.
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Gryzor on 22:29, 07 August 13
  Should I lock the thread? I mean, I'm ok with criticising sites, even this very site, but doing so as an excuse to bash contributors for something one doesn't like is a bit too much for me. And for the community.

Personally, btw, I don't agree with several of the reviews on the site in question, but I *always* enjoy reading them, even if it's to see a different POV.

Btw, FTM has been banned for a couple of days; I think this was the best for things to calm down, and I also lack the capacity to deal with moderation issues (and I've got several messages about the whole thing...) since I'm on vacation.

Cheers
T
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: AMSDOS on 10:10, 05 July 14
Quote from: Misel982001 on 14:45, 05 August 13
Hello. I am the guy who wrote the review. In great surprise, I am reading everything that you write.


(http://i59.tinypic.com/2nbsw0m.png)


:laugh:
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: TotO on 10:18, 05 July 14
The problem is more to "update" the score to make peoples happy.
That makes the website less credible...
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: cpc4eva on 15:24, 22 July 14
i havent read every post in the thread but for my 2 cents..... cpc game reviews big thumbs up :)

quick reference guide to many cpc titles from a personal perspective not a magazine perspective.

Nich and any other people helping Nich with the site get a big thank you from me.

I dont agree with everything i see on there and i dont go there often for the obvious reasons but thats not the point - the point is that its a cool cpc resource and im grateful for having it.

anyone who wants to write their own reviews and contribute should contact and ask Nich  :)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Carnivius on 17:08, 22 July 14
Quote from: ralferoo on 10:40, 05 August 13
and let's face it, who doesn't like Sokoban!

Me.  I find the game concept boring as all heck.   :)


Anyways yeah CPC Game Reviews is often one of my main sites to visit for CPC stuff mainly just it's simple, fast to load and I can scroll down the pages and see if any game screenshot catches my eye.  There's plenty reviews on it I don't agree with but I've said elsewhere on this site that I generally don't care about reviews.  A review is generally opinion rather than fact. 
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ralferoo on 19:28, 22 July 14
Quote from: Carnivac on 17:08, 22 July 14
Me.  I find the game concept boring as all heck.   :)
Probably because you've been stuck on the first level for 350 days, judging by the time to reply! :laugh:
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: Carnivius on 21:39, 22 July 14
Quote from: ralferoo on 19:28, 22 July 14
Probably because you've been stuck on the first level for 350 days, judging by the time to reply! :laugh:

Didn't see this topic til cpc4eva bumped it up and I felt I should read through cos I like CPC Game Reviews site.  :)
Title: Re: CPC Games Reviews.... Thumbs down :(
Post by: ivarf on 10:08, 23 July 14
Quote from: Carnivac on 21:39, 22 July 14
Didn't see this topic til cpc4eva bumped it up and I felt I should read through cos I like CPC Game Reviews site.  :)


:D Thumbs up for CPCgamereviews.com!!! :D


No doubt about that.
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