With the CPCpower's staff (Kukulcan) we started to set the definitive and complete list of the games that take into account that your CPC is 128K RAM (or even more...)
Needless to say such list may be a bit difficult to fill so every help are needed.
Here are the topics (in French mostly) and pages...
CPCpower article :
http://www.cpc-power.com/cpcarchives/index.php?page=articles&num=151 (http://www.cpc-power.com/cpcarchives/index.php?page=articles&num=151)
CPCrulez topic :
http://cpcrulez.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4458&p=14254#p14254 (http://cpcrulez.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4458&p=14254#p14254)
Thx for your help fellow amstradists...
Bonus : telling what extra feature are added...
PS : I put this topic in "Games" but every kind of Softwares (even serious ones) are to be featured too.
Needless to say, when the list is to be "completed" we may add a new category in the CPCwiki...
Well, Green Beret has some graphics more in the disk version than in the cassete one, I don't know if it is because ram...
* Thunder Cats - 128 KB
* A Tribute to the Sisters - 128 KB up to 4 MB
Utilities
* Discology - 128 KB up to 320 KB
* FutureOS - 128 KB up to 4 MB
Sorry for mentioning soooo much own stuff, but that's the stuff you keep the easiest in mind ;-)
I remember Target Renegades loading all levels when using 128K
Ghosts'n'ghouls adds intro music + sound effects
Quote from: trocoloco on 20:36, 31 January 11
Trantor loads digitalized voice with 128k
It loads the sample also with 64k... (Or did I miss something? Perhaps only the cracked one?)
Quote from: Devilmarkus on 20:43, 31 January 11
It loads the sample also with 64k... (Or did I miss something? Perhaps only the cracked one?)
thats true sorry, I just checked and you're right ;)
Robocop has digital voice for disk 128Ko version
-Prohibition : there's a 464/664 disk version and a 6128 disk version (the boss office quick shot level and the picture that show the hero hiding behind a wall are missing in the 64ko version)
-Captain Blood: the 6128 version contain more character and more Special effects during hyperspace than 464 version.
hope that helps.
Zombi 128k version... more detailed graphics and errie music.
Vera Cruz - actually required 128k and wouldn't run on 64k.
Orion Prime has a wonderful feature on 128k that the 64k doesn't have : a game (sorry :)).
You're a perfect Troll... ::)
10/10...
Kidding.
Hermol provided us a list :
(in french)
Quote
- 2 Player Super League
20000 Lieues Sous Les Mers
2112 AD
3D Construction Kit
A La Decouverte De La Terre
Adi Environnement *
Adi Francais *
Adi Mathematiques
Adventure Quest
Air Sea Supremacy
Alphakhor
Amnesia
Arcticfox
Atland
B.A.T
Balade a Cologne
Barthels Dash
Batman 3: The Movie
Battle Command
Battle-Spheres
BCM The Code Searcher
Bionic Commando
Black Land
Black Magic
Bo!
Bounty Hunter
Bunny Bricks
Call &BD10'n'oeuf
Carrier Command
Casanova
Castle Warlok
Chase HQ
Chip's Challenge
Chomedu
Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer
Code De La Route (CPC Infos)
Colossal Adventure
Computer Scrabble Deluxe
Corruption
Cpc Aventure
Crazyfruit
Cyborgs PREVIEW
Das Reich
Davy Jones Locker
Der Zeichner
Detective: Enquete n1 - L'Affaire Rostov
Dora
Double Dragon 1 ANIMAGIC
Double Dragon 1
Double Dragon 2
Double Dragon 2 ANIMAGIC
Dragon World
Drigus Und Drolan
Dungeon Adventure
El Sistema Muscular
Elidon
Enduro Racer
Escape From Wacci
Eswat - Cyber Police
European Soccer Challenge
European Superleague
Exterminator
Fighting Soccer
Final Fight
Fres Attack
Fres Fighter 2 Turbo
Fres Man
Frestris
Frestris
Fucki Demo
G-Loc R360
Gauntlet 1, 2 ,3
Ghouls 'N Ghosts
Gnome Ranger
Grand Prix 500 2
Grange Hill
Granny's Garden
Groops
Gunboat - River Combat Simulation
Gunboat Simulator
Hero Quest
Highway Patrol
Horizon CE-1
Huxley Pig
Hydra
Iankey Two Fingers To Touch Typing Conversion Course
Iankey Typing Crash Course
III Guerra Mundial
Ingrid's Back!
International 3D Tennis
Into The Mystic
Ishido (ARKOS)
Jinxter
Jump Mania
Jungle Book
Karatian
Kick Off 2
Killer Star
Killerball
Knife Plus
Knight Orc
L'Affaire Ravenhood
L'Art De La Guerre
L'Or Des Azteques
La Abadia Del Crimen
La Abadia Del Crimen
La Bosse Des Maths *
La Malediction
La Planete Mysterieuse
Labyrinthe De La Reine Des Ombres
Lancelot
Le Labyrinthe aux Cent Calculs
Le Labyrinthe aux Mille Calculs - College
Le Labyrinthe d'Anglomania 1, 2
Le Labyrinthe d'Errare - College
Le Labyrinthe d'Orthophus
Le Labyrinthe de Morphintax
Le Septieme Continent
Les Griffes De La Nuit
Les Passagers du Vent
Lights Out
Line Of Fire
Logical Head
Lord Of The Rings
Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge
Lubix
Mage
Malefices
Megamix
Megawar
Mercenary
Mercs
Micro Scrabble
Microprose Soccer
Mig Busters
Mike Read's Computer Pop Quiz
Monte Cristo
Moulinsart
Mountain Bike Simulator
Murders In Venice - Meurtres A Venise
Mutant Fortress
Nathan Ecoles Francais *
New York Warriors
Nigel Mansell's World Championship
Night Hunter
No Exit
North & South - Les Tuniques Bleues
Off Shore Warrior
Oink!
Olli & Lissa III - The Candlelight Adventure
Orion Prime
Out Of This World
Paris-Dakar
Peter Pan
Pirates
Piso Zero
Plumpy
Postman Pat
Poussy
Power-Flash
Prohibition
Project X
Punch & Judy
Recherche Miss X Desesperement
Red & Blue
Rescue Atlantis
Santa's Christmas Capers
Scapeghost
Seymour At The Movies
Shadow Warriors
Sherman M4
Shoulder Dash 99
Skateboard Joust
Sliders
Soko Bam
Space Crusade
Space Harrier 2
Space War
Splash
Srambase
Star Sabre
Starship Quest
Streap-Poker
Strip-Jak
Stuart England
Stunt Car Racer
Sudoku Master
Super Cars
Supertrux
Swap
Switch
SWIV
Talisman Of Lost Souls
Tank Attack
Targhan
Teacher Trouble
Terramex
Tetris 95
The Addams Family
The Eternal Light
The Great Giana Sisters
The Guild Of Thieves
The Manager
The Miser
The Pawn
The Spiro Legacy
The Spy Who loved Me
The Test
The Three Bears
Time And Magik Trilogy
Times Of Lore
Tolki
Top Of The League
Toyota Celica GT Rally
Traitement Bzzz
Treasure Island
Turbo Cup
Ultimate Tetris
Vol En Plein Pacifique
War Machine
Wind Surf Willy
World Championship Soccer
World Class Rugby
World Cup Challenge
X-Contra
Xyphoes Fantasy
Zap't'Balls *
Zombi
use instruction "ld bc,&7FC?:out (c),c" in its code...
Daley Thompson's Olympic Challenge (&7FC4)
Dizzy V - Spellbound Dizzy (&7FC4)
Dragon Ninja (&7FC4)
Grell And Falla (&7FC4)
La Espada Sagrada (&7FC4)
Stryker In The Crypts Of Trogan (&7FC4)
Total Recall (&7FC4)
Vindicators (&7FC4)
Wild West Seymour (&7FC4)
Soccer Pinball (&7FC4)
Badlands (&7FC4)
Switchblade (&7FC5)
Psycho Hopper (&7FC5)
Gryzor (&7FC7)
Starwars: Return Of The Jedi (&7FC7)
Fairlight: A Prelude (&7FC6)
APB - All Points Bulletin
Barbarian II
Batman The Caped Crusader
El Patiente 106
Emlyn Hughes International Soccer
Escape From The Planet Of The Robot Monsters
Guerrilla War
Il Etait Une Fois
Inferno
Les Ripoux
Megablasters
Operation Wolf
Pinball Power
Rambo 3
Robocop
Saga
Secret Defense
Super Cauldron
Prehistorik 2
Tennis Cup
Victory Road - The Pathway To Fear
Of course this would be just too cool to tell What are the extra features.
The most common must be a single loading...
Extra sounds somethimes... (mostly sampled sounds ?)
But actual extra graphics or gameplay must be not that common.
Of course "Serious" softwares are more prone to use a 6128.
3D construction Kit per exemple.
If you ask for help here... then you should at least integrate the provided informations. (All the above mentioned prods are still missing).
Maybe the French don't like Thundercats, maybe they prefer Lightningfrogs :P
There's some really strange ones there that I don't understand where the extra 64k would be used. For instance: Emlyn Hughes International Soccer and tennis cup. Would this be extra sounds effects?
I remember Shinobi having music and sound effects on the 128k as it was silent on 64k. I remember not having my memory expansion at the time and playing the cover disk demo.
Gryzor, renegade, target renegade - single loading. Gryzor also had music with 128k. I think operation wulf and operation thunderbolt may have had single loading, but I cant remember.
The Untouchables also had no music on 64k.
The amstrad action demo of Shinobi is a really good one to test for extra ram is detected as it properly display a message about using the extra 64k for music/sample if it find it.
Amstrad Action did have couple of harmless woopsies. One of the one i recall was the promise of "next covertape has Hero Quest demo it, make sure to check the cool music in this one"-ish and when the tape came there was no music as it was 128k dependant.
Operation Wolf (tape) does indeed load everything if you have more memory.
Gryzor does indeed load everything and give you the option of music.
Dragon Ninja loads all too in one go and adds that sample too.
If i recall right then Operation Thunderbolt (tape) loads the whole of side one (game and a lot of extra lvls) if you have the extra ram.
Im pretty sure Rainbow Islands does something close to Operation Thunderbolt but i really need to check that one first (so it isnt just my imagination).
Ok guys...
kukulcan did his list...
http://www.cpc-power.com/cpcarchives/index.php?page=articles&num=151 (http://www.cpc-power.com/cpcarchives/index.php?page=articles&num=151)
(in french)
please check up if something is missing... this list need to be translated perhaps, but i have no time for this ATM...
I will create the subcategories in the CPCwiki and perhaps an article too...
For the moment those are the sofwares who use the extra RAM, not exclusively 6128 softs
(some of those are actually exclusive but not sorted yet...)
Games : 235
Serious softwares (applications) : 74
Compilations (featuring said games...) : 28
I think some of the game should be put into a specific category as they are educationnal softwares (ADI per exemple)
Post edition :
ok I did a stub of the Category:Extended RAM Softwares and Extended RAM Softwares pages.
This may need a more proper naming and is prone to change according to a debate.
Feel frree to talk about it and put the proper links into existing pages (games, softwares and so on...)
http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Extended_RAM_Softwares
http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Category:Extended_RAM_Softwares
THX..
thats an amazing 128k list from Hermol :)
great topic this one interesting to find out about 128k software.
other than one go loading and extra loading music or speech did the 128k ever get fully used ? was it really worthwhile or just another marketing ploy example "look my computer has 128k and yours doesnt"
whatever happened to Hermol ? is he still making demos? is he still making cpc youtube vids ? has he made any progress on the cpc zelda project i read about ages ago ?
am wondering what this is ? what does it do ? and how to use it / implement it ?
use instruction "ld bc,&7FC?:out (c),c" in its code.
Well well well... having a 6128 enable to play the delightfull Pirates! game... per exemple...
Or B.A.T ?
Or to play the superbe RickDangerous 128+ (provided you also have a PLUS ...with 128K RAM) or even the soon to come R-Type 128...
Or Orion Prime.
But yeah perhaps too few games actually used it as it should be used (a true 6128 game... with no such silly cvoncept as Tape or 64K only...)
Many application though...
But the main problem is that the extra RAM was more used to get a single loading than to actually add extra features (to be verified)...
Which is great for tape users...
But useless for Disk users who could get fast multiloadings...
To me it would have been better to more differenciate the Tape version and Disk version, halas the 664 actually did exist... and this screwed all this.
So now the debate :
should I put subcategories such as : 128K games, 128K applications... and so on...
or should we simply put all into the generic 128K software... (after all softwares are already into Games or applications categories...)
???
Quote from: MacDeath on 17:51, 04 February 11
Ok guys...
kukulcan did his list...
http://www.cpc-power.com/cpcarchives/index.php?page=articles&num=151 (http://www.cpc-power.com/cpcarchives/index.php?page=articles&num=151)
(in french)
This list mentions Symbos, but not FutureOS... also A Tribute to the Sisters is missing... (well, just to mention it - a third time...).
Oops, this is not complete nor definitive...
You can add those to the CPCwiki's page/categories...
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:41, 04 February 11
This list mentions Symbos, but not FutureOS... also A Tribute to the Sisters is missing... (well, just to mention it - a third time...).
Sure: SymbOS is available on disk! ;)
Quote from: Devilmarkus on 13:42, 05 February 11
Sure: SymbOS is available on disk! ;)
Like Discology and A Tribute to the Sisters too. But - hey - nobody was talking about discs!
"A Tribute..." is not released yet, if I'm not mistaken, and as such it does not belong in such a list. Isn't it still in development? If we were to add everything that *would* have appeared and *would* have needed 128k... no way.
Robocop: the sample, of course, was "Protect the public trust -Protect the innocent - Uphold the law" (the 4th directive was classified).
Trantor had the first voic sample I had ever heard on my trusty 464.
@Macdeath: thanks for the hard work mate... I think two categories are enough: games and apps. The titles could be games/apps that use more than 64k and then in the list we could state if 128k was the minimum or a bonus.
Also bear in mind that the categories need renaming. I may be "logiciels" in French but in english it's just "software", not "softwares"...
What are the extra features in 2112 AD?
Quote from: Gryzor on 11:31, 06 February 11
"A Tribute..." is not released yet, if I'm not mistaken, and as such it does not belong in such a list. Isn't it still in development? If we were to add everything that *would* have appeared and *would* have needed 128k... no way.
How nitpicking can someone be? A WIP has been released already a year ago.
Quote from: Gryzor on 11:31, 06 February 11
Robocop: the sample, of course, was "Protect the public trust -Protect the innocent - Uphold the law" (the 4th directive was classified).
"
Serve the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law" :P
It also says "Robocop" at various points too.
It's not nitpicking, this is still heavily in development and not a released title. Get over it, when it's released it can be included along with all other released titles...
Yep, at the moment it is a "vaporware" until it is released...
no evil intended...
Also I added a few references as the Kukulcan list was a bit extended, and corrected the category name without the final S...
it is now
http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Category:Extended_RAM_Software
instead of
http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Category:Extended_RAM_Softwares which has to be deleted...
Deleted. Cheers mate :)
Quote from: Gryzor on 09:38, 07 February 11
It's not nitpicking, this is still heavily in development and not a released title. Get over it, when it's released it can be included along with all other released titles...
Me, as the programmer I tell the WIP was released - and so it is. I decide about this title, because it's my software. It doesn't matter how you think about it. :P :laugh: ;)
Quote from: TFM/FS on 23:22, 08 February 11
Me, as the programmer I tell the WIP was released - and so it is. I decide about this title, because it's my software. It doesn't matter how you think about it. :P :laugh: ;)
Classic. You never cease me amaze me. :)
Quote from: redbox on 10:23, 09 February 11
Classic. You never cease me amaze me. :)
??? ... are you going to tell Steven Lisberger that he hasn't directed Tron in 1982 just to be right? No, probably not. And you can't tell a programmer something about his own production, or can you?
Some of you guys hang around way tooooo much in cyberspace and loose contact to reality. :o Before this happens to me I better don't check in here too often :laugh:
Quote from: TFM/FS on 18:09, 09 February 11
And you can't tell a programmer something about his own production, or can you?
It's the choice of the author of the list.
You may point out how you feel about a reference to something you have created by stating, for example, that you don't feel that it should be included. However, ultimately it's the author of the list that can decide whether it's included or not.
Then it's up to everyone else who reads the list to make their own conclusions based upon the sources. You can't force it by saying "I wrote/own this so you can't make any reference to it".
As you are an academic, I would have thought you understand this process. Substitute "list" for "paper" and you might get the idea.
Well, you know, this is on the Wiki...
So you can edit the list as you want...
I only copy-pasted what Kukulcan did for his site CPCpower... nothing more...
::)
Quote from: redbox on 08:59, 10 February 11
It's the choice of the author of the list.
You may point out how you feel about a reference to something you have created by stating, for example, that you don't feel that it should be included. However, ultimately it's the author of the list that can decide whether it's included or not.
Then it's up to everyone else who reads the list to make their own conclusions based upon the sources. You can't force it by saying "I wrote/own this so you can't make any reference to it".
As you are an academic, I would have thought you understand this process. Substitute "list" for "paper" and you might get the idea.
Bollocks! You change the topic - obviously. The author always decides and not somebody else. End of that fruitless discussion for me.
Quote from: MacDeath on 10:36, 10 February 11
Well, you know, this is on the Wiki...
So you can edit the list as you want...
A very valid point. :)
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:31, 10 February 11
The author always decides and not somebody else.
I am just lost for words. Maybe you should start contacting everyone who has ever referenced something in an academic paper and tell them they must contact the author of the reference first before they disagree with them...?!
But ok, end of fruitless-ness 8)
Quote from: redbox on 20:22, 10 February 11
I am just lost for words. Maybe you should start contacting everyone who has ever referenced something in an academic paper and tell them they must contact the author of the reference first before they disagree with them...?!
So in your opinion you can cite an autor in the way you like? Well, bad publishers do it. And I was reviewing a lot of papers and had to knock them on their fingers, because they did it that way. So I stopped them doing that.
If you want to publish in Science, Nature, Cell or any high-impact journal, then you -HAVE- to cite the author correct. And to cite correct means that -THE AUTHOR HIMSELF- decides! And you are -NOT- supposted to interprete his conclusions totally wrong.
This here really suxx, but I had to put things right ::)
Quote from: TFM/FS on 21:06, 10 February 11
So in your opinion you can cite an autor in the way you like? Well, bad publishers do it.
Absolutely, and then it's the community that decides whether the paper is any good or not.
But the beauty of this here wiki (as MacDeath pointed out) is that anyone has the ability to edit it, so this argument is redundant in this case.
Still amazed you believe you have to ask an author if you've "got it right" (can't see how this would ever work if you write a paper and disagree with said author) but nice to hear your point of view and how you work.
Now get on with Gianna Sisters ;)
Quote from: redbox on 22:53, 10 February 11
Absolutely, and then it's the community that decides whether the paper is any good or not.
Well, no, first it's the reviewers, finally it's the editor of the journal. The community can have a own oppinion, but that doesn't matter at all, because they neither can influence something (unpublish it - hehe), nor can they change the reviewers/editors POV. And that's the point.
Quote from: redbox on 22:53, 10 February 11
Still amazed you believe you have to ask an author if you've "got it right" (can't see how this would ever work if you write a paper and disagree with said author) but nice to hear your point of view and how you work.
Well, we call it laws ;) and the people I'm working with are as honest and correct. :)
Quote from: redbox on 22:53, 10 February 11
Now get on with Gianna Sisters ;)
No chance, I wasted all my time here in the forum. So the last released WIP was the final version :o
Well, after following this very interesting discussion whereby TFM as usual bends logic to his will not unlike Sheldon, I say we could re-instate the WIP in the list with a note along the lines of "never finished" or something like that... Hm?
Maybe "Still in Development" would be better ;)
Nope, because who will define, in the future, whether it's still in development or just never finished?
That's why I'm saying, finished titles go there. No need to confuse things.
Quote from: Gryzor on 09:25, 11 February 11
Well, after following this very interesting discussion whereby TFM as usual bends logic to his will not unlike Sheldon, I say we could re-instate the WIP in the list with a note along the lines of "never finished" or something like that... Hm?
For you it seems like bending logic, for others it's called flexibility. For higher beings (I talked to one last night in a bar...) it just the eternal truth ;)
And btw. patience is a virtue 8)
But... how can you call it "never finished". It's finished now - because I decide it. And that brings us back to the topic... The programmer decides all this things and nobody else 8) :P ;D
Chaps... 128k games remember?
Quote from: TFM/FS on 22:18, 11 February 11
For higher beings (I talked to one last night in a bar...) it just the eternal truth ;)
A bar... isn't that the one place where all men are equal ;)
Quote from: ukmarkh on 00:17, 12 February 11
A bar... isn't that the one place where all men are equal ;)
All _men_ yes ;)
But to be fair it is still a software actually using 128K...
perhaps adding a "various" subpart for this list...
Quote from: MacDeath on 05:16, 24 February 11
But to be fair it is still a software actually using 128K...
perhaps adding a "various" subpart for this list...
Well, and that's exactly the fact! It is using 128K, so where is the problem?
Quote from: TFM/FS on 18:42, 24 February 11
And as we can see, postings get deleted here, other postings get edited by non-authors. A fair discussion, isn't it? ::) That's the way I know the regiment here - how sad! >:(
The discussion itself is completely crazy, but I would really like to know why McDeath´s posting was edited by Gryzor. What was changed?
Probably a lot!
However, Grzyor is fine with 'Projext X' being listed there, but Project X is finished 50%. Also other listed titles are under developpment. But only my single title get's deleted for obviously no reasons. So I expect him to delete this post too, because there literally is not a single argument against listing ATttS in the 128 K games list.
Not a lot of stuff actually, and not that important stuff indeed.
let's just say I tried to be diplomatic but ...well...
these days French diplomacy is not what it used to be... :laugh:
I am not offended in any way against anyone...
Perhaps you should let it go a bit... all of you.
I haven't done the 128K topic to get peoples killing each others... :(
Kill, kill, kill... let's all burn some sheep!
Quote from: MacDeath on 14:03, 25 February 11
Not a lot of stuff actually, and not that important stuff indeed.
let's just say I tried to be diplomatic but ...well...
these days French diplomacy is not what it used to be... :laugh:
I am not offended in any way against anyone...
Perhaps you should let it go a bit... all of you.
I haven't done the 128K topic to get peoples killing each others... :(
No answer from Gryzor is enough answer in this case. It seems that he still tries to live out things here he can´t get in real life. Poor guy. Very poor guy.
Quote from: villain on 19:55, 25 February 11
No answer from Gryzor is enough answer in this case. It seems that he still tries to live out things here he can´t get in real life. Poor guy. Very poor guy.
Well, that's the problem. If he doesn't like you, then your posts, productions etc. get deleted. IMHO an admin should be logical and neutral, but especially he is supposed to show good will. And deleting informations is not good will. Being bullheaded it also not a sign of intelligence.
So I don't care any longer about that 128K games list. Like you pointed it out before this discussion is crazy.
See you in other threads... ;)
@villain: watch it, mate. You're over the borderline by insulting me thus. My "silence" was because I was on a small excursion, so you can shove your "poor guy" up your arse and I mean that. If you don''t like the fact that I spend, along with others, so much time to develop and keep this project alive and choose, occasionally, NOT to deal with crazy persons, then you're better off on some other forum. MacDeath's post was edited (and I notified him and apologised for that) because the missing part was replying to a post that wasn't there.
When I choose to delete a post is because some plain crazy and sad persons can't be argued with. And it's either ban them, or descend into a flame, or delete the posts.
Let me say it just once: ENOUGH WITH THE INSULTS[/U]. Consider yourself warned.
@TFM: instead of acting like a small child whose toy has been taken away, try to notice that ProjectX was removed from the list upon your suggestion. So stop crying in the corner and try to suggest constructive things to do with the article.
I'm really tired with all this bullshit, always the same persons causing the same troubles.
Thread locked, great job guys destroying yet another fruitful discussion.