I saw this on eBay (nothing to do with me) it's a shame the thing is a fake / reproduction, I wonder if the genuine version of gazza 2 for gx4000 will ever be found.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304699827603?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=XZeBv3wpRt-&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=t4cxLOguSm6&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
It looks that eBay no more allows to signal counterfact products...
Probably because to much on eBay allowing them to won a lot of money.
Quote from: TotO on 11:22, 18 November 22It looks that eBay no more allows to signal counterfact products...
Probably because to much on eBay allowing them to won a lot of money.
There is one thing selling a reproduction but charging £150 is outrageous!
Quote from: tjohnson on 13:15, 18 November 22There is one thing selling a reproduction but charging £150 is outrageous!
Sure. It can signaled as abusive price, because the goal is to be confounded as an original.
Mmm,
"MINT condition and working. - Tested on my own GX4000 System which I look after and maintain."
Disc version transferred to cart?
That he asks for 150€ is definitely crazy but at least this guy is completely transparent that it's a reproduction. And in general, even reproductions could have a collectors value.
Whoever buys this and read the description is totally aware what he gets.
probably one of those: https://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Bootleg_Cartridges
Quote from: TotO on 11:22, 18 November 22It looks that eBay no more allows to signal counterfact products...
still possible. There is a link "report this item" on the right side of the screen, next to the shipping options tab.
Quote from: eto on 14:34, 18 November 22still possible. There is a link "report this item" on the right side of the screen, next to the shipping options tab.
But, you can no longer provide this reason.
I don't especially have an issue if someone is transparent about creating and selling a reproduction but the price seems to be excessively high and the sort of price for a very rare genuine game.
I remember seeing what I thought were bootleg carts in the early nineties, maybe this is one?
So... will somebody buy it and kindly donate a CPR version?
Quote from: GUNHED on 16:16, 19 November 22So... will somebody buy it and kindly donate a CPR version?
I messaged them on ebay 2 days ago asking to confirm exactly what is on the ROM or provide some screenshots but no reply... :-X
It will probably be a cart conversion of the standard gazza 2 game, there is a CPR available to download on this site "Converted by Phantomz Original Disk Version"
Quote from: tjohnson on 19:53, 19 November 22It will probably be a cart conversion of the standard gazza 2 game, there is a CPR available to download on this site "Converted by Phantomz Original Disk Version"
Exactly what I suspect...
This article here suggests the game never made it to shelves and there are no known copies of the game in existence.
https://www.gamesthatwerent.com/2020/10/gazza-2/
This is actually super easy to do, especially with the amount of cpr conversions that have been done.
During lockdown, I was messing around with making my own cartridges, and doing some artwork (box insert, cartridge label, instruction booklet).
All for my personal use, I never sold a thing.
The one on eBay, I'm 99% certain, will be the 'Phantomz' cpr conversion.
£150 is ridiculous...If someone pays that, I might have to go into production myself ;D
Quote from: 00WReX on 00:17, 20 November 22During lockdown, I was messing around with making my own cartridges, and doing some artwork (box insert, cartridge label, instruction booklet).
You don't happen to have a template for the instruction booklet format do you? ;D
Quote from: dthrone on 18:45, 19 November 22Quote from: GUNHED on 16:16, 19 November 22So... will somebody buy it and kindly donate a CPR version?
I messaged them on ebay 2 days ago asking to confirm exactly what is on the ROM or provide some screenshots but no reply... :-X
The seller has got back and confirmed it is the regular CPC version. They've also uploaded some screenshots to the ebay listing.
Quote from: dthrone on 01:17, 20 November 22Quote from: 00WReX on 00:17, 20 November 22During lockdown, I was messing around with making my own cartridges, and doing some artwork (box insert, cartridge label, instruction booklet).
You don't happen to have a template for the instruction booklet format do you? ;D
No real template...
Here is an example of a game I did.
Cart label, box inlay, instruction sheet.
Cart label (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/imgs/9/9b/The_Adventures_Of_Timothy_Gunn_GX_Cart_label.jpg)
box inlay (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/imgs/1/1c/The_Adventures_Of_Timothy_Gunn_GX_inlay_cover.jpg)
Instruction (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/imgs/2/2d/The_Adventures_Of_Timothy_Gunn_GX_Manual_complete.jpg)
Anyway, like many GX4000 game into the past, it will be the CPC version in ROM.
At the opposite of Jesus SCI, this auction is for a copy, not an original game.
If you are looking for any unreleased game for 150£ each (or more), just ask me, I will do. :-*
It's a real shame it's not the unreleased genuine gazza 2 game. If it was £30 I'd buy it for novelty value. I remember reading about gazza 2 in Amstrad action but never did see it in the shops, like most gx4000 games really as they were all difficult to find.
Quote from: TotO on 11:22, 18 November 22It looks that eBay no more allows to signal counterfact products...
Probably because to much on eBay allowing them to won a lot of money.
it looks like ebay has dropped buyers protection and replaced it with sellers protection...
i had an issue with a sale a month ago..and the only option was to return it for a refund... (i just wanted him to send the rest of the stuff i paid for!)
the old ways of putting in a dispute are gone..nowhere to be found....
ive seriously considered closing my account down due to this....way too many dodgy sellers on there...
Quote from: WacKEDmaN on 09:27, 20 November 22the old ways of putting in a dispute are gone..nowhere to be found....
while in the "refund" mode, you can still find other ways to resolve an issue. I recently bought something, got the wrong version, opened the case and after 2 emails the seller suggested to replace the wrong part. I received the right part a few days later, then closed the case - everybody happy.
Quote from: TotO on 16:47, 18 November 22But, you can no longer provide this reason.
I still find "bootleg" as a reason and that it's no legal copy.
But honestly, I would not report this one. No business is harmed any longer - and while I think it's not worth it, somebody else might think differently as it might be worth to collect a bootleg too.
Quote from: 00WReX on 02:47, 20 November 22No real template...
Here is an example of a game I did.
Cart label, box inlay, instruction sheet.
Cart label
box inlay
Instruction
Nice! did you also make a new box? 3d printed maybe?
@eto It looks that each eBay region provide his own list.
The title screen is without doubt the cpc floppy release.
Remember the GX4000 game exists, but only a few newsrooms got a cart to test the game: Amstrad 100%, Joystick, Player One in France and Amstrad Action in UK. On the Amstrad 100% review the title screen is shown (more colours than the floppy release).
https://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&onglet=test&num=4072
http://download.abandonware.org/magazines/Joystick/joystick_numero013/page%20129.jpg
http://download.abandonware.org/magazines/Player%20One/playerone_numero005/Player%20One%20005%20-%20Page%20048%20%281991-01%29.jpg
Maybe exists. Magazines weren't entirely unprepared to pepper previews (and sometimes reviews) with mocked up screenshots etc. Maybe even more so if they already had the disk version to compare against.
Wow it's been reduced to 139.99 plus 8.99 and has a bidder
Ended, 0 bids
Quote from: Gryzor on 18:22, 11 December 22Ended, 0 bids
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304727440096?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=XZeBv3wpRt-&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=t4cxLOguSm6&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Ooh, GBP 139,a bargain (that's a different one?)
Quote from: Gryzor on 05:16, 12 December 22Ooh, GBP 139,a bargain (that's a different one?)
no. the same. Listed over and over again.
But I somehow get it: If you are a collector, even bootlegs are a collectible. It's not just a plain cartridge, it's a very professional bootleg. And I would expect they are probably more rare than most of the original cartridges. At least it's the first one that I have seen on Ebay.
If I would be a true GX4000 collector, such a bootleg would be something I would like to own - and if I don't care about 150GBP, I would buy it as I will probably not have the chance to get such a bootleg cartridge for quite some time - or maybe ever.
The only thing is: we often do not see something as a collectible, as we tend to think it's not worth much based on our own perception. The Amstrad market is just not big enough to recognise true collectibles. E.g. I once sold a Schneider application disk and thought I would get maybe 20€ but then a Spanish and a German collector went into a bid race and it sold for 120€. Absolutely not justified imho but two guys thought it is justified.
Quote from: eto on 09:01, 12 December 22If I would be a true GX4000 collector, such a bootleg would be something I would like to own - and if I don't care about 150GBP, I would buy it as I will probably not have the chance to get such a bootleg cartridge for quite some time - or maybe ever.
This be true. I know quite a few collector's who own bootleg copies of hard to find games. Some are quite content owning the bootleg even just to fill that space on the shelf and be done with it. Others consider the bootleg a full-on placeholder, it's there on the shelf til they finally find the official item. And yeah, some people pay silly monies but eh, if they're well off, got money to spare, maybe they're rich or won the lottery and £150 isn't even enough to be considered pocket change to them. Up to them. Their money. I mean, I hope they also generously donate to charity too but yeah.
I know if I won the lottery I'd outbid everybody on eBay stuff I'd want. Too many times I've had to back down from something I wanted cos it went too high. I'd love to feel the satisfaction of never having to quit and finally WIN! :D