How to improve the game competition...

[tastefulmrship]

Why don't you participate instead of bringing people down, troll around and insult others - and yes, I also talk about other threads. Your behavior is very destructive and furthermore you lack to provide an entry. So why don't you XXXX XX?

I like having my own opinions...

[AMSDOS]

@AMSDOS: so we should have a voting system with actual reviews?

Er? well, I was thinking about the approach they used in The Amstrad User (TAU) to review games, which didn't necessarily hand out scores. When it became "The PC Mag + TAU" they had a little rating in that 5 Squares being Outstanding and 1 for Waste of Money. Back in the day I didn't think much of their approach, though over time I've come to like it because they were sort of open about who might like this game, but they would also try and explain what the game is about, which is sort of key as to why you might of brought a game.

I'm unsure how it would go on the Internet, perhaps if it was some sort of Blog with the Game & Description about the game, and under that everyone could write their comments on what they liked/disliked about the game perhaps?

[Gryzor]

@TF/M: I'm really not sure whoever gave you the right to insult others like that. But, and consider this a warning, the next post of yours with that tone goes straight to the recycle bin. I find it very disrespectful to address someone who has given (really given) much to our scene with such arrogance and self-righteousness. What you don't seem to realise, furthermore, is that there are lots of users who would actually say a word or two about your constant recent whining, but don't want to insult and provoke, yet you seem to feel like it's all about you and entitled to lash out against others.


So cut it, if you can't apologise.


@Amsdos: so, the first part you mentioned is voting with a number of votes (five votes to this, four to that... etc etc), which is what we're considering already. The second part is simply not practical (hell, utopian probably) - can you imagine trying to figure out all the reviews and reach a winner? Nightmare. Also, just a vote is much easier to do, obliging users to write a small essay about each game would net us far smaller participation and votes...

[rexbeng]

Well... ok, I feel I need to apologize to TFM for teasing him a bit in that other thread.

On to the more important stuff, like I said a few messages back, I feel that you have to make the voting available to an open audience because the important thing is to get more retro sceners to get interested in the CPC.

That said, I strongly suggest that there should be only one category and one voting option: best game. Period.

If you had a voting system where you reward more than one game with different amounts of points you are risking to end up with the game winning (as in getting the most points) being nobody's best vote, but everyone's second or third. So this wouldn't be a competition for the "best game" anymore, but rather the "average game", or to put it in sports' terms, this would be the MotoGP 2006 Championship when the awarded champion rider just managed to finish third or fourth driving slowly throughout the season while the faster and better riders literally 'eliminated' themselves by competing between each other.

Well, unless maybe you end up with a score table with significant differences, like for example 1st place vote earns ten points, 2nd earns five points, 3d place three. But that would more or less give results equal to only having to vote for one game I think.

Then I am not really a believer in the dozen different categories, like "best graphics", "technical achievement", "original game" and so on. Keep it simple for the voters. If you are having an open vote, the chances for the majority to be able to judge these very technical subcategories are thin. If you'd like to have some kind of committee where 'insiders' or 'experts' could decide on such special awards that will be made public after the compo closes, then by all means, do so. But keep the public votes simple and focused on one thing: the best gaming experience.

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[Axelay]

Hah, I've been thinking of adding my 2 cents but it seems rexbeng has just gone and covered it anyway! 


So I've been thinking that with the field probably being small, you really just need the one category - "best game".   I don't think sub categories are going to change that everyone who votes will select "best game" on their own personal preferences towards genre, graphics, music, originality, technical achievement or whatever else anyway, regardless of what sub categories might be there.   And with a small field of games, I'm not sure what purpose those sub categories would be meant to be serving.

[Gryzor]

Well, on one hand you're both right; I'm tempted to say "that's how it's always been done, so...", but that's a kind of inertia, not a valid reason. On the other hand, don't you think it's interesting to judge aspects of the efforts as well? After all, I think that's the reason why "that's how it's always been done".

[Bryce]

How about we do it the old ACU way and each voter gives it percentage points for different aspects (Graphics / Sound etc), then we divide the sum of each category by the amount of voters to bring it back to a percentage?

Bryce.

[Gryzor]

But who does what? Also, it'd be nice to have sketches of ourselves

[TFM]

I like having my own opinions...

So bashing at others is what you call "own opinions"? I expected an better excuse from you. 

[tastefulmrship]

So bashing at others is what you call "own opinions"? I expected an better excuse from you. 

I'm not sure what you want me to say, here... maybe it's a translation issue! Remember; English is a second language to me as well, maybe you misinterpreted my opinions. I apologise for whatever it is I have done to provoke your wrath.

[TFM]

Well, I know you in the forum for a while and you always made a well impression to me. Recently I may have had troubles to understand your kind of humor. So let's go on into FutureOS with new positive moods. 

[AMSDOS]

@Amsdos: so, the first part you mentioned is voting with a number of votes (five votes to this, four to that... etc etc), which is what we're considering already. The second part is simply not practical (hell, utopian probably) - can you imagine trying to figure out all the reviews and reach a winner? Nightmare. Also, just a vote is much easier to do, obliging users to write a small essay about each game would net us far smaller participation and votes...

Well I didn't say anything about giving a winner a prize. AA used to just give all the type-ins they published £20, so perhaps money could be raised and distributed evenly to all the entries.   

[Gryzor]

What? Who said anything about a prize?

[AMSDOS]

[Gryzor]

Well, hello yo you too

[beaker]

Well I didn't say anything about giving a winner a prize. AA used to just give all the type-ins they published £20, so perhaps money could be raised and distributed evenly to all the entries.   

What about a small trophy or medal (designed by some arty person on the forum) with the CPC Wiki logo and the competition year and maybe the user name engraved on it for everyone who enters? I am just thinking it may be more meaningful than cash? I may be watching too many game shows though

[steve]

How about a unique annual CPC related wallpaper for their PC, exclusively for the competition winners.

[Gryzor]

Ooh, the medal is a nice idea! Will have to research it a bit and see the cost...


The wallpaper would be nice, but for everyone, not only the winners

[steve]

Well. you can create a CPC-Wiki wallpaper for everyone, but the competition winners deserve something unique to mark their contribution to the community, maybe for all entrants as well, the winners wallpaper would celebrate the fact that their entry won.
Not only would it be special, but it would not cost anything either.

[steve]

Competition entrants and winners could be entered into the CPC-Wiki hall of fame, so we will always remember them, true immortality.

[TFM]

Let me pick up a point. The entries should be released to public for voting in an anonymous way. It would made things more fair and it would encourage more people to really take part and also finish an entry.

I know some guys [nb]actually I only have two in mind[/nb] will try to jump in my backbone now, but nevertheless it's true what I say.
The team members of an entry should be made public AFTER the voting.
_{If somebody don't like that, then I assume that this person may expect an advantage from having his/her pseudo in the game from the beginning, and so this person favors unfair voting.}

[steve]

Don't you have to have the team members names displayed in the game for copyright/glory?

[TFM]

Don't you have to have the team members names displayed in the game for copyright/glory?

That can be added later on without an problem.

Let me provide an example: The song from Subtera Puzlo was not voted well, because the composer is probably not well known in the scene. And in addition the first 3 seconds are kinda strange. However, if you listen to it, then you see that it is a great song. Now imagine a fair voting, without "Vorschusslorbeeren".

[ralferoo]

Oh please, can we give this a rest? The winner of every category won by a huge margin:

Best game: 1st - 33, 2nd - 11
Best graphics: 1st - 31, 2nd -7
Best music: 1st - 26, 2nd - 13
Best tech achievement: 1st - 39, 2nd - 8
Special mention: 1st - 18, 2nd - 11

There is nothing to dispute. In every category, the winner won by a landslide. Even if there were a couple of people voting based on who they liked or didn't like, the results wouldn't be as skewed towards an obvious winner in each category.

There are only a few conclusions one can possibly draw from the results:

   
• either the majority of cpcwiki readers voted for the games they thought were best in each category
• or the majority of cpcwiki readers colluded together to deliberately vote tactically
• or the majority of cpcwiki readers only voted for people they know

I'll be honest, I think it's frankly insulting to the other entrants and everyone who voted to suggest that the results are due to one of the latter two options.

Can we please just draw a line under the competition now and consider the possibility that the majority of cpcwiki readers are in fact able to judge for themselves what they like based on merit and vote accordingly?

[TFM]

Did Kangaroo or Pentagon pay you $$$ for posting that? Or are you really that far off reality, that you got not idea what's going on out there?

Seriously, are you kidding me?