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Interesting (tough) short few coments of Gryzor renegade and short circuit programmer about amstrad versions.
https://enterpriseforever.com/programming/converting-old-ocean-games/
;)
Quote from: dragon on 08:52, 24 July 20
Interesting (tough) short few coments of Gryzor renegade and short circuit programmer about amstrad versions.
https://enterpriseforever.com/programming/converting-old-ocean-games/ (https://enterpriseforever.com/programming/converting-old-ocean-games/)
;)
Looks like they have managed to get scrolling on the Renegade for the Enterprise 128kb. The game is going to be incredible as they are using the CPC graphics.
The original programmer is doing the EP conversion for Gryzor, which is also using the CPC graphics. I'm definitely going to download an EP emulator when they get them done.
I wish they would do the scroll for the 128kb CPC version.
These people, that enterprise forum are really talented. They have a amstrad emulator,inclusive they have fully ported the laser squad years ago included the Russian levels.
I not sure if the Gryzor programmer can back to amstrad to fix their games.. It appears it like more the enterprise jeje.
Quote from: sigh on 10:29, 24 July 20
Looks like they have managed to get scrolling on the Renegade for the Enterprise 128kb. The game is going to be incredible as they are using the CPC graphics.
The original programmer is doing the EP conversion for Gryzor, which is also using the CPC graphics. I'm definitely going to download an EP emulator when they get them done.
I wish they would do the scroll for the 128kb CPC version.
I like a lot the scrolling they implemented in Green Beret..., so ugly in CPC. And, actually, after seeing things Batman group has done, I think it is quite possible to do it in CPC too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41lj-sVjG0Y
Will be better imho without color effect, but it's great ! Is this machine really more powerful than our CPC ?
Yes, that's totally distracting and blinding. The rest is fine 🙂
Congratulations to the coder of all this converted games to Entreprise128 : Geco !
He really done good job... may be he will do a good new game after this conversion to E128 ! 8)
Quote from: Arnaud on 17:19, 24 July 20
Will be better imho without color effect, but it's great ! Is this machine really more powerful than our CPC ?
I was only into CPC but when I saw this computer, I needed to own it since it's so nice on the visual side... Also it is more powerful and better designed system they say.
It is also possible to port cpctelera software to it (I have done it with almost no changes in the code) with the help from Geco and his cpctelera modification (currently music is not working but that may also be fixed)
Raster bar can be turned off in Renegade by a function key, i do not remember which :-)
Unfortunately i am not a good programmer, so probably i will not make any program just conversions :-D
ex Bricky Prise was created by me
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-q8d8XWXnyA&t=10s (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-q8d8XWXnyA&t=10s)
Renegade looks great! Well done to the team. Are they going to add the missing animations such as the throw, run, running punch, the missing frames of the left/right punches and the ability to jump and bounce off the wall? That would be the definitive version.
Quote from: sigh on 23:16, 24 July 20
Renegade looks great! Well done to the team. Are they going to add the missing animations such as the throw, run, running punch, the missing frames of the left/right punches and the ability to jump and bounce off the wall? That would be the definitive version.
Thanks for all of you for the gratulations :-)The main worth is for John Brandwood, and who made the graphics, i think they made a miracle, the program is running on a 64k CPC, very fast, and the graphics is awesome. I do not know if he originally planned scroll into the game, but from the code, i think yes. I am sure, that he planned parallax scroll into 2nd part of Short Circuit, the object store of the top was realized in that way, i used the easiest method to do the parallax scroll on ep, 2 video area for the top, 1st contained the normal picture 2x, the other the same, just moved 1 pixel left, so after i had to move the graphics address only, and change between the 2 area.
I did not plan to add missing stuffs, i do not say it is impossible, but i think it is harder to do, there is no space for the new elements in 64 k, memory paging should be invoked for the new data, or extend it after 8000h, but then video memory swapping had to be modified. and i think those graphics data is missing.
Quote from: teopl on 19:18, 24 July 20I was only into CPC but when I saw this computer, I needed to own it since it's so nice on the visual side... Also it is more powerful and better designed system they say.
Did you get one? :)
Not sure how this thread turned into an Enterprise one to be honest! Not that I/we mind, but perhaps a separate Enterprise Appreciation Thread could be started? :)
I love the Enterprise, as I do the Sam Coupe. Outside the CPC range these are my firm favorites in my collection (
if I only could find a stick to screw on my E64... :( ). The Enterprise was indeed really great, and it's such a shame it got delayed so much that it didn't stand a chance... On the other hand, the E64 alone was priced, IIRC, above the 464+monitor, so it's probably not that hard to be better?
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:14, 28 July 20Did you get one? :)
Not sure how this thread turned into an Enterprise one to be honest! Not that I/we mind, but perhaps a separate Enterprise Appreciation Thread could be started?
I got 2 :) because I always buy a round number :D anyway, they are expensive plus when you add tax and transport... For the EP topic I would use other forum which I just recently joined (the EP forever forum).
But maybe we should unite to one forum and be the strongest z80 community :D
For discussing the E compared to the CPC you suggest moving to another forum? Erm... :D
No I meant for EP specific questions, but I think you may be right... I should not let the EP take my CPC soul... I must repeat now every day: "I believe in one z80 computer, Amstrad CPC and I will not adore any other z80 computer" :laugh:
That's better.
Well we have no issue with advertising other sites, especially for different systems, but it's kind of silly to suggest that a discussion about some other system be directed to another forum instead of splitting the thread...
I was shocked to see that Mr Amstrad Brandwood has jumped ship and is now working to create the versions he wasn't able to do on the CPC, Renegade and Gryzor. He really believe the CPC can't be made to scroll his classics smoothly.
I can jump thread if pointed in the right direction but won't jump forum...
Quote from: Gryzor on 10:27, 28 July 20Well we have no issue with advertising other sites, especially for different systems, but it's kind of silly to suggest that a discussion about some other system be directed to another forum instead of splitting the thread...
Exactly. And we have an "other retro" section for that.
Quote from: ivarf on 23:42, 28 July 20He really believe the CPC can't be made to scroll his classics smoothly.
IMO what he meant that he couldn't achieve hardware scroll due to memory constrains as he points out here: "With an Enterprise 128 you have twice the memory of the Amstrad 464 that the game was targeted for, and plenty of memory available to do double-buffered hardware scrolling."
Indeed! If only there was a CPC with twice the memory of the Amstrad 464 that the game was targeted for, and plenty of memory available to do double-buffered hardware scrolling!
Oh wait! ;D
If only source code was public released.
Quote from: trocoloco on 13:07, 29 July 20
IMO what he meant that he couldn't achieve hardware scroll due to memory constrains as he points out here: "With an Enterprise 128 you have twice the memory of the Amstrad 464 that the game was targeted for, and plenty of memory available to do double-buffered hardware scrolling."
But it achieve a lot of bugs in amstrad :D .
When I read your last posts, I can think that only the CPC 464 exist and the 6128 was never released. :-\
Quote from: TotO on 07:03, 30 July 20
When I read your last posts, I can think that only the CPC 464 exist and the 6128 was never released. :-\
What is this mythical 6128 you mention, tell me more.
Quote from: tjohnson on 08:02, 30 July 20
What is this mythical 6128 you mention, tell me more.
Continuum space time failure? :-\
Hopefully, the CPC 464 allows 64K dkTronics RAM expansion. ;D
Quote from: tjohnson on 08:02, 30 July 20
What is this mythical 6128 you mention, tell me more.
I believe the Amstrad CPC 6128 was sold in France only. People in Britain could not afford such a expensive machine. Neither did the USA. Stupid Spanish people somehow thought Americans had money. Have a live Amstrad CPC 6128 ever been spotted in Chicago? I wonder if it was branded Indescomp or Amstrad...
Or did the french take computing (and gaming) more seriously than the british?
Quote from: ivarf on 09:53, 30 July 20People in Britain could not afford such an expensive machine. Neither did the USA.
C64 only was 599$, required to add tape drive, floppy drive, monitor or TV set... So, I'm not sure that was a problem to afford a computer. The french CPC 6128 advertising made the job in France.
Quote from: TotO on 10:50, 30 July 20
C64 only was 599$, required to add tape drive, floppy drive, monitor or TV set... So, I'm not sure that was a problem to afford a computer. The french CPC 6128 advertising made the job in France.
Good to hear. With great interest I follow this experience discussion here, how situations were different in different countries.
Also here in Germany the CPC 6128 was widely used, much more than the CPC 464 or the 664. All my CPC friends except one had a CPC 6128 actually. Since I had bought my CPC half a year earlier, I got this CPC 664 which was only produced for half a year (or so)?
But your mentioned "64K dkTronics RAM expansion" made the CPC 664 into a CPC 6128 (for 99% of the cases). :-) That was really great, since I preferred the 664's keyboard and layout compared to the 6128's.
Several of us had a ZX Spectrum before the Schneider CPC, and since we lost so many files with the Spectrum's tape madness, when the CPC 464 appeared we naturally waited and saved pocket-money until Amstrad released a version with floppy disc drive.
Anyway, CPCs with 128K do rock! Retro games should try to use it.
Lucky you French and German people, in Spain we were poor so people had an Amstrad 464 in vast majority, it was the first computer for most of us.
Even a Spanish exclusive CPC 472 was made in order to avoid taxes the same year that 6128 arrived, and sold more ofc! The 6128 was for the few lucky & privileged..
Good stuff I had the chance to change so many tapes with friends and schoolmates and among them Renegade and Gryzor ofc, which i still enjoyed very much even without scroll! :-*
Quote from: TotO on 10:50, 30 July 20
C64 only was 599$, required to add tape drive, floppy drive, monitor or TV set... So, I'm not sure that was a problem to afford a computer. The french CPC 6128 advertising made the job in France.
599$ was the launch price. In 1985 in the UK C64 costed ~180 pounds (Spectrum ~130) vs ~320 for Amstrad.
Even so, it sold a little bit better than C64 in UK, so it was probably also advertising and some "buy British!" angle.
Quote from: arkive on 10:21, 31 July 20
599$ was the launch price. In 1985 in the UK C64 costed ~180 pounds (Spectrum ~130) vs ~320 for Amstrad.
Even so, it sold a little bit better than C64 in UK, so it was probably also advertising and some "buy British!" angle.
Selling pitch for cpcs, as most Amstrad products, was
all in one. For that price you got monitor, tape/disc, and home TV stays available for the family.. so price must be considered with all this in mind.
I was a lucky owner of 6128 because my father used it also for accounting, word processing and even mailing (print letters, and sticher with addresses to send by post mail :) ). But it was quite expensive, around 700€, color + printer.
Quote from: asertus on 10:32, 31 July 20
Selling pitch for cpcs, as most Amstrad products, was all in one. For that price you got monitor, tape/disc, and home TV stays available for the family.. so price must be considered with all this in mind.
Maybe not the price itself, because if you added a tape/drive it would be still much lower for the competitors (everybody had a TV already). But the psychological effect was there for sure.
Such bundle also looked better - and more serious, with the monitor - in the ads.
Quote from: arkive on 10:21, 31 July 20
599$ was the launch price. In 1985 in the UK C64 costed ~180 pounds (Spectrum ~130) vs ~320 for Amstrad.
Even so, it sold a little bit better than C64 in UK, so it was probably also advertising and some "buy British!" angle.
What I mean is that if peoples was able to buy the C64 and an external drive from the began, the price was not an issue.
By the way, you are comparing stock C64 vs CPC with tape drive + colour monitor.
Quote from: TotO on 10:46, 31 July 20
What I mean is that if peoples was able to buy the C64 and an external drive from the began, the price was not an issue.
By the way, you are comparing stock C64 vs CPC with tape drive + colour monitor.
C64 did not get so popular because people went and bought the most expensive configuration at launch, only so called early adopters did that (as it always is). Also, these were options, not a built-in stuff. The price was very much an issue in the Eighties, any teenager growing up in that era, without enthusiast/minted parents, will attest to that.
My price comparison was an extrapolation of sources. Wikipedia says green 6128 had initial RRP of 299 pounds. Personal Computer News from May 1985 in its bestseller list mentions just "Amstrad" at 349 pounds. That aside from the fact you could buy other micros second hand in 1985, even cheaper, 6128 not so much.
We are discussing 6128's market performance. Most kids wanted to play games and didn't have much pennies t spare, so ZX at 130 quid or C64 at ~200 (with tape), which you could use with any TV, were primary targets. When faced with choice of loading from tape and playing on a TV (often B/W)
now vs keeping on saving for a fancy Amstrad (which didn't have most of the chart topping games anyway) most went with the former option.
CPC was always a bit more upmarket choice (and 6128 a semi-biz machine) and did reasonably well considering all these factors.
Kids playing games in the 80s was a minority and mainly by opportunity of their parents computer or a video games console.
The French Wikipedia said that CPC 464 (tape + monitor) was sold the same price as the C64 alone in 1984... Really attractive to not disturb the parents on the TV Set.
About the 6128, the price dropped very fast after one year (because the Atari ST?), so many peoples took the opportunity to buy it with a colour monitor as home computer for the family at less in France and Germany.
Quote from: TotO on 12:07, 31 July 20Kids playing games in the 80s was a minority
Ummm... ;D
Well he's not wrong - he means computer games obviously. What percentage of pupils had their own computers in '82 or '84 or '86?
Quote from: TotO on 10:46, 31 July 20
What I mean is that if peoples was able to buy the C64 and an external drive from the began, the price was not an issue.
By the way, you are comparing stock C64 vs CPC with tape drive + colour monitor.
I've always found the 'CPC was expensive/luxury platform' assertion some make a bit odd. I didn't know a single C64 owner without a disk drive that I understood was quite expensive at the time, and a specific TV or monitor for it.
Quote from: Axelay on 15:27, 31 July 20
I've always found the 'CPC was expensive/luxury platform' assertion some make a bit odd. I didn't know a single C64 owner without a disk drive that I understood was quite expensive at the time, and a specific TV or monitor for it.
Agreed. My 464 was bought for me by my parents in xmas 87 and they were both low wage earners. They bought it primarily as a learning tool (I used it quite a bit for art work) and we also didn't 'own' a tv. We rented our television.
My friend received a disk drive for his C64 - and it was not cheap by any means. He also had the tv bought for him.
Quote from: sigh on 18:54, 31 July 20
My 464 was bought for me by my parents in xmas 87 and they were both low wage earners.
My CPC464 was bought in 1985. I don't even know why. My folks never had that much interest in computers. My dad did own a ZX81 but I never saw him use it, it was just stored in it's box in a cupboard under junk. So how come we got a CPC464? I mean it was the green screen version but still a lot of money on something with seemingly no reason and in a family who weren't earning a whole lot. I'm gonna have to ask them about that next time I speak to them.