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Title: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: sigh on 23:46, 23 March 16
Watching this right now!

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiIXn9Tr5hI)
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Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: andycadley on 08:15, 24 March 16
Interesting,  few minor inaccuracies and his general dislike of Alan Sugar clouds things a bit, but not bad overall.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: seanb on 14:51, 24 March 16
He really dislikes Alan Sugar.
Is he a Tottenham fan?
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: EgoTrip on 14:53, 24 March 16
Quote from: seanb on 14:51, 24 March 16
He really dislikes Alan Sugar.
Is he a Tottenham fan?

Is there actually anyone on earth who likes Alan Sugar?
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 15:00, 24 March 16
Quote from: andycadley on 08:15, 24 March 16
Interesting,  few minor inaccuracies and his general dislike of Alan Sugar clouds things a bit, but not bad overall.


Had to switch off. Chinnyrage was building.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: sigh on 15:19, 24 March 16
I enjoyed it. It's nice that he also expanded on the "all in one" packages that Sugar put a lot of emphasis on, not just on computers, but other hardware.
Also saying that Sugar saved the 8 bit computers across the board from early extinction through the CPC is something I never really thought about.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: remax on 16:40, 24 March 16
Very interresting. Although he states clearly his hate for AMS, i found the video quite objective...
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Zoe Robinson on 18:17, 24 March 16
As I recall, she's a she. An annoying voiced she (it's hard to listen to her videos because of the voice, to be honest), but a she nevertheless.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Puresox on 20:10, 24 March 16
?What video are we talking about? Sounds like a bloke to me?Unless I have missed something ?
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: remax on 20:16, 24 March 16
Quote from: Zoe Robinson on 18:17, 24 March 16
As I recall, she's a she. An annoying voiced she (it's hard to listen to her videos because of the voice, to be honest), but a she nevertheless.

Rea... Really ? It doesn't sound lie a "she" at all  :o

EDIT : Oh ok... She's a trans according to her tweeter.

Kim Justice (@KimxxxJustice) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/kimxxxjustice)
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Puresox on 20:28, 24 March 16
TBH I really find it hard too listen too , I find the Snide tone toward the CPC is far too present. It is a shame cos he produces some pretty informative stuff
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Dabz on 20:36, 24 March 16
Quote from: Puresox on 20:28, 24 March 16
TBH I really find it hard too listen too , I find the Snide tone toward the CPC is far too present. It is a shame cos he produces some pretty informative stuff


I agree... He/she is biased against the Amstrad, and as a reviewer of anything Amstrad related comes out as a negative... Doesnt matter if it's the best thing ever... Which in turn, makes him/her a bad reviewer, so I dont bother watching him/her anymore.

Dabz
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Morri on 20:43, 24 March 16
Removed... Sorry all, wasn't meaning to offend.  :-[

Changing the subject, this is the 2nd clip I have watched from Kimble and while the material seems well researched, it is too heavily laced with personal opinion for my liking. The continual comments about not liking AS made it hard to watch. Got through it but not sure I'll be watching anymore.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Puresox on 20:54, 24 March 16
Lol ;)
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Zoe Robinson on 21:08, 24 March 16
Please don't be transphobic, guys. It makes me very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: sigh on 21:57, 24 March 16
Quote from: Dabz on 20:36, 24 March 16

I agree... He/she is biased against the Amstrad, and as a reviewer of anything Amstrad related comes out as a negative... Doesnt matter if it's the best thing ever... Which in turn, makes him/her a bad reviewer, so I dont bother watching him/her anymore.

Dabz

Have you watched Kimble's other video's? The last one was about mirrorsoft which was excellent. I'm really hoping for an MSX video.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Dabz on 22:09, 24 March 16
Well, my post never meant to be, but, when I put the he/she, I honestly didnt know if the reviewer was a man wanting to be a woman or a woman wanting to be a man.

I still don't know, nor particularly care for that matter... It's his/her life, like anyone else, they are free to get on with it how they choose.

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Have you watched Kimble's other video's? The last one was about mirrorsoft which was excellent. I'm really hoping for an MSX video.

No, I havent matey, just the sarcastic tone, the baisedness of some of the reviews... Not my cup of tea... I'm a stubborn bugger... Age I think! lol :)

Dabz
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: AMSDOS on 22:10, 24 March 16
Agreed, too much sugar isn't good for you!
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Dabz on 22:11, 24 March 16
Quote from: AMSDOS on 22:10, 24 March 16
Agreed, too much sugar isn't good for you!


lol, that's why they are taxing it now over here! :D Hehehe


Dabz
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: seanb on 22:44, 24 March 16
Quote from: Morri on 20:43, 24 March 16
Removed... Sorry all, wasn't meaning to offend.  :-[

Changing the subject, this is the 2nd clip I have watched from Kimble and while the material seems well researched, it is too heavily laced with personal opinion for my liking. The continual comments about not liking AS made it hard to watch. Got through it but not sure I'll be watching anymore.

Reading her twitter account from the link someone posted it seems she doesn't handle criticism well and she never intended for the video to be anything other then an opinion piece.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: seanb on 22:45, 24 March 16
Quote from: Dabz on 22:11, 24 March 16

lol, that's why they are taxing it now over here! :D Hehehe


Dabz

Is that why he was so friendly with labour so they wouldn't tax him?
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: ivarf on 22:51, 24 March 16
He recently got 464 followers on Twitter lol
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Dr Tiger Ninestein on 23:41, 24 March 16
Extremely annoying voice + negativity towards amstrad = unwatchable for me.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: MacDeath on 00:26, 25 March 16
what ? someone hating Rebecca Sugar ?

but Steven universe is a nice series.... oh wait, the other Sugar...


I'm Fired.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: sigh on 10:48, 25 March 16
caps lock and shift key not working so excuse the lower case.

does anyone have info on the 6128 launch in the states.

i know it's been said before, but i wish he had made the 464 128kb. would of been expensive unless he soldered on a bunch of 8kb chips  :P .
i wonder if this move to 128kb was in order to fill the gap that the commodore 128 couldn't.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 11:10, 25 March 16
Quote from: sigh on 10:48, 25 March 16
caps lock and shift key not working so excuse the lower case.

does anyone have info on the 6128 launch in the states.



It's mentioned in The Amstrad Story by David Thomas.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: TMR on 12:02, 25 March 16
Quote from: sigh on 10:48, 25 March 16i wonder if this move to 128kb was in order to fill the gap that the commodore 128 couldn't.

i'd reckon it was purely down to RAM costs at time of launch, if a 128K version of the 464 were doable at the price bracket Sugar and company were aiming for they'd have gone for it i'm sure; a lot of people priced themselves out of their own markets around that time (i'd say including Commodore with the C128 personally, although my opinions on said machine might be a little... erm, biased?) and we all knew the 16-bitters were on the horizon, so pitching an 8-bit system with too high a price tag close to their arrival was risky at best.

Haven't watched the video yet (it's been open in another tab for a few days but i have the attention span... what was i saying?) but i saw her Ocean video at the weekend; was an interesting watch, but does skip lightly over their original content like Wizball, Wizkid or Parallax to focus on the licensed titles.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 12:54, 25 March 16
Quote from: sigh on 10:48, 25 March 16
i know it's been said before, but i wish he had made the 464 128kb. would of been expensive unless he soldered on a bunch of 8kb chips  :P .
i wonder if this move to 128kb was in order to fill the gap that the commodore 128 couldn't.


The 6128 came about because Sears in the USA wanted to bulk order the CPC for their catalogue but only if it had 128k. So the 6128 was born. Most of those machines which were paid for by Sears never got near the USA and ended up being modified and sold in Europe. Hence North American 6128's are rare. Amstrad did very well out of it.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: MaV on 15:42, 25 March 16
I liked her GTA reviews (2 to 4 that is), and don't mind her voice at all.

It's quite easy to not like Alan Sugar, so if she doesn't constantly remark about her dislike of him which will become a bit tedious after awhile, this could be good. I'll be watching it soon (tomorrow or so.)
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: arnoldemu on 16:01, 25 March 16
I wonder if the 6128 had 128k so that it could run CP/M and more programs under CP/M. Maybe it was also to push the CPC as a business machine rather than a games machine.

Is there any official sources for the story of the American 6128's? Perhaps an interview with somebody who was involved?
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: sigh on 17:14, 25 March 16
Quote from: TMR on 12:02, 25 March 16
i'd reckon it was purely down to RAM costs at time of launch, if a 128K version of the 464 were doable at the price bracket Sugar and company were aiming for they'd have gone for it i'm sure; a lot of people priced themselves out of their own markets around that time (i'd say including Commodore with the C128 personally, although my opinions on said machine might be a little... erm, biased?) and we all knew the 16-bitters were on the horizon, so pitching an 8-bit system with too high a price tag close to their arrival was risky at best.

Haven't watched the video yet (it's been open in another tab for a few days but i have the attention span... what was i saying?) but i saw her Ocean video at the weekend; was an interesting watch, but does skip lightly over their original content like Wizball, Wizkid or Parallax to focus on the licensed titles.

I think your right about RAM costs, but I do wonder if it would of been cheaper to solder 16 8kb chips instead of buying 2 64kb chips or 1 128kb chip? How were the chips done on the CBM 128? It came out a little before the CPC 6128.

Quote from: chinnyhill10 on 12:54, 25 March 16

The 6128 came about because Sears in the USA wanted to bulk order the CPC for their catalogue but only if it had 128k. So the 6128 was born. Most of those machines which were paid for by Sears never got near the USA and ended up being modified and sold in Europe. Hence North American 6128's are rare. Amstrad did very well out of it.

Wow!! That is an incredibly cheeky move by Sugar! So if it wasn't for Sears, the 128kb might not had existed and the CPC 664 would of still been alive.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: dcdrac on 17:34, 25 March 16
This seems less about Amstrad and more about bashing Alan Sugar.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Zoe Robinson on 17:44, 25 March 16
Quote from: dcdrac on 17:34, 25 March 16
This seems less about Amstrad and more about bashing Alan Sugar.

Pretty much, yeah. :(
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 18:53, 25 March 16
Quote from: sigh on 17:14, 25 March 16

Wow!! That is an incredibly cheeky move by Sugar! So if it wasn't for Sears, the 128kb might not had existed and the CPC 664 would of still been alive.


What's cheeky about it? The 664 was planned from a very early stage. They were thinking about it before the 464 came out when RAM prices were still higher.


We would have got the 6128 anyway eventually but Sears just hurried things along with their request.


Nothing cheeky about it. We got the 6128 due to Sears basically being idiots and ordering a machine that nobody wanted and paying for it up front! Sugar never even tried to push it on them, it was them pushing him. He says he always thought trying to sell the CPC into the USA would be doomed because the market was so different.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: ivarf on 21:28, 25 March 16

Where do Indescomp fit in this story or is that another one?
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: TMR on 22:38, 25 March 16
Quote from: sigh on 17:14, 25 March 16
I think your right about RAM costs, but I do wonder if it would of been cheaper to solder 16 8kb chips instead of buying 2 64kb chips or 1 128kb chip? How were the chips done on the CBM 128? It came out a little before the CPC 6128.

If memory serves, the main RAM is sixteen 8K chips, along with 2K of colour RAM and either 16K or 64K for the VDC elsewhere on the board. So you start with a minimum of 146K of RAM even before the cost of an MMU, two processors, two graphics controllers, you get the idea...

Slight edit; did a little double checking and the above is true for the C128 and C128D, but the later C128DCR is 4 x 32K for the main RAM.
Title: Re: Kimble Justice: The story of Amstrad!
Post by: Gryzor on 19:12, 26 March 16
Sugar had already talked about the 6128 as the 664 was being developed, from what I had read in some AA issue...
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