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Abbey of crime 64k plus  (prototype) (in spanish).

-128k graphics in 64k machines that load cpr.
-Autodetection of gx4000,disc drive or tape.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram in gx4000.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram disc sytems +7 slots to save in disc.
-2 slots to save saapshots in tape systems+load/save in tape.
-Cheats selection as usual. inifinite obsequium,inifnite lampare fuel,all objets at beginning,
-Except the pause fully playable with game the pad1.

Game save in disc sectors so used a formated disk.

Quote from: dragon on 17:38, 10 January 23Abbey of crime 64k plus  (prototype) (in spanish).

-128k graphics in 64k machines that load cpr.
-Autodetection of gx4000,disc drive or tape.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram in gx4000.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram disc sytems +7 slots to save in disc.
-2 slots to save saapshots in tape systems+load/save in tape.
-Cheats selection as usual. inifinite obsequium,inifnite lampare fuel,all objets at beginning,
-Except the pause fully playable with game the pad1.

Game save in disc sectors so used a formated disk.

Great!!! Thanks a lot !!!
Please, plus palette colors option ?

Something like this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/QKjbk6N1/Abadia-v1-4colors-juego-pcw.png) (https://postimg.cc/QKjbk6N1)

Quote from: dragon on 17:38, 10 January 23Abbey of crime 64k plus  (prototype) (in spanish).

-128k graphics in 64k machines that load cpr.
-Autodetection of gx4000,disc drive or tape.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram in gx4000.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram disc sytems +7 slots to save in disc.
-2 slots to save saapshots in tape systems+load/save in tape.
-Cheats selection as usual. inifinite obsequium,inifnite lampare fuel,all objets at beginning,
-Except the pause fully playable with game the pad1.

Game save in disc sectors so used a formated disk.

Very nice work @dragon . I love when 128k games land on GX4000 with all their features, without forgetting the save option, even if it can only be in RAM obviously  :D
Why do you titled this version 'prototype', here? And most of all, do you plan to convert the English version of the game as well?

Quote from: RockRiver on 05:59, 11 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 17:38, 10 January 23Abbey of crime 64k plus  (prototype) (in spanish).

-128k graphics in 64k machines that load cpr.
-Autodetection of gx4000,disc drive or tape.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram in gx4000.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram disc sytems +7 slots to save in disc.
-2 slots to save saapshots in tape systems+load/save in tape.
-Cheats selection as usual. inifinite obsequium,inifnite lampare fuel,all objets at beginning,
-Except the pause fully playable with game the pad1.

Game save in disc sectors so used a formated disk.

Great!!! Thanks a lot !!!
Please, plus palette colors option ?

Something like this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/QKjbk6N1/Abadia-v1-4colors-juego-pcw.png) (https://postimg.cc/QKjbk6N1)

Massively underrated game in the UK. One of the best I've played since the patched English version came out. I think if this would have received a UK release back in the 80s, it would have been given the universal recognition it deserves. Thanks and well done ;-) 128K running on a GX4000 = Genius 

Quote from: iXien on 06:26, 11 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 17:38, 10 January 23Abbey of crime 64k plus  (prototype) (in spanish).

-128k graphics in 64k machines that load cpr.
-Autodetection of gx4000,disc drive or tape.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram in gx4000.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram disc sytems +7 slots to save in disc.
-2 slots to save saapshots in tape systems+load/save in tape.
-Cheats selection as usual. inifinite obsequium,inifnite lampare fuel,all objets at beginning,
-Except the pause fully playable with game the pad1.

Game save in disc sectors so used a formated disk.

Very nice work @dragon . I love when 128k games land on GX4000 with all their features, without forgetting the save option, even if it can only be in RAM obviously  :D
Why do you titled this version 'prototype', here? And most of all, do you plan to convert the English version of the game as well?

Because always someone ask change something :D.

I don't made or involucred in the english translation. But i think i know where found the guy that  traslate it.

Quote from: RockRiver on 05:59, 11 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 17:38, 10 January 23Abbey of crime 64k plus  (prototype) (in spanish).

-128k graphics in 64k machines that load cpr.
-Autodetection of gx4000,disc drive or tape.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram in gx4000.
-2 slots to save snapshots in ram disc sytems +7 slots to save in disc.
-2 slots to save saapshots in tape systems+load/save in tape.
-Cheats selection as usual. inifinite obsequium,inifnite lampare fuel,all objets at beginning,
-Except the pause fully playable with game the pad1.

Game save in disc sectors so used a formated disk.

Great!!! Thanks a lot !!!
Please, plus palette colors option ?

Something like this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/QKjbk6N1/Abadia-v1-4colors-juego-pcw.png) (https://postimg.cc/QKjbk6N1)

I suppose was possible select a palette from main  menu in basic and choose the colours every partide.

Well done Dragon

Hello ,
As Ixien request : Here are Ramiro El Vampiro III and IV ( on the same .RAR folder file) from smart Mojon Twins team

For both games :
Start game = Fire 1

Gameplay addition :
Vampire flying = Down arrow joypad OR fire 2
Cheers

Ramiro_3_and_4_GX4000.rar

 

 

@RockRiver , about abadia del crimen , CPC+ palette topic . It could be possible , but need to ask some source from  @dragon to avoid to start from scratch about mod.
By the way I hacked the palette , with some old colors range , and it gives this ( joined picture .png) maybe could be enough ?

Quote from: CyrilAmstrad on 21:48, 11 January 23@RockRiver , about abadia del crimen , CPC+ palette topic . It could be possible , but need to ask some source from  @dragon to avoid to start from scratch about mod.
By the way I hacked the palette , with some old colors range , and it gives this ( joined picture .png) maybe could be enough ?

çe cool, partner

I chose that palette for PCW+ (color habisoft pcw expansion board ColorIn \\  CP/Mbox emulator)

But then I had 4 colors from 64 rgb colors pcw+ palette:
Black/Grey/Brown/Orange or similar.

Abbey CPC+:
Maybe we could make Plus TittleScreen and maybe some special Plus range palette... but I like a lot your/our election-solution for classic
It's better than 8bit original systems palettes

https://computeremuzone.com/ficha/166/abadia-del-crimen-la (https://computeremuzone.com/ficha/166/abadia-del-crimen-la)
(See screens)
Or even MSX2 remake palette

Appears english its compatible ingame...but the pergamine final with  the patch of 128k encrypt the text instead of show english

Quote from: dragon on 03:20, 12 January 23Appears english its compatible ingame...but the pergamine final with  the patch of 128k encrypt the text instead of show english

A shame. This English version is an impressive work already making one of the greatest Spanish games enjoyable for the masses on CPC 8) It would have been fabulous to be able to discover it on GX4000.

The english version works well, so you have an error somewhere.

In this video you can see that both the intro and outro scrolls work flawlessly:

Quote from: dragon on 03:20, 12 January 23Appears english its compatible ingame...but the pergamine final with  the patch of 128k encrypt the text instead of show english

I doubt it, the text is in ascii, you are not applying the patch correctly.

I was patching the 64k base not the 128k that was the origen of the english patch so little things are diferent including the  adress.

In the way the error was the 64k have a pointer where the 128k don't have it so the patch should begin in +&02.

Another example was the final the %  completion screen changed, because the tape version have text related to tape and have different code.

Quote from: dragon on 22:01, 12 January 23I was patching the 64k base not the 128k that was the origen of the english patch so little things are diferent including the  adress.

In the way the error was the 64k have a pointer where the 128k don't have it so the patch should begin in +&02.

Another example was the final the %  completion screen changed, because the tape version have text related to tape and have different code.

And why do you think that it should work always as an +2 offset? The 64 KBs version was developed after the 128 KBs, and Paco recoded a lot of things, in fact you are jumping to a random address and there is not encryptation at all, the code that is been run it is filling the screen with shit.

It looks that you are monkey patching without looking the game code at all. Do you remember Laser Squad and my tips for you that time? It is exactly the same.

I don't think nothing i only do a 30 seconds fast test to view what happend.And made Cheerful comment, ohh don't appear work in 64k out of the box, the outputut remember me code encrypted.

 
There is not "offset+2". just me thinking  the variable comment in the dissembly was a comment. Don't compare laser squad that have nothing aviable with the abadia that have fully code disassembled and commented.  

I add the "day" in english  and the guillermo original orientation.

Quote from: dragon on 21:12, 13 January 23I don't think nothing i only do a 30 seconds fast test to view what happend.And made Cheerful comment, ohh don't appear work in 64k out of the box, the outputut remember me code encrypted.

 
There is not "offset+2". just me thinking  the variable comment in the dissembly was a comment. Don't compare laser squad that have nothing aviable with the abadia that have fully code disassembled and commented. 

I add the "day" in english  and the guillermo original orientation.

Whoooooo, just breath taking. An ultimate CPR including both languages. Well done @dragon , it's a huge addition to the GX4000 game library!

Some questions (you begin to know me :D ) : Is it the final version or do you plan some more updates? What is the guillermo orientation? Do you think it's possible to add a 'wait for fire' feature on the title screen of both versions ? This picture is superb but we don't have really time to admire it on cartridge  8)  Are you sure you want to keep the crack message at the beginning? It's really ugly and I don't think the guy will mind you removing it  :P And finally, a version without any poke, just asking for the language before to launch the game would be very nice.

Once again, congratulations for this impressive conversion work that really takes part of the cartridge storage  ;)

And my colors??? colours???  ::)
Green and orange not seem 'natural' to me, ha ha , sorry

But the other 8bit versions are worst
(C'mon Delcan, very good graphics. But why that colors? Speccy, MSX,PC it's a shame)

Plus palette; Classic cpc palette
Please mr.Dragon ? Monsieur CyrilAyor?
(Yeahh I know it's another version, not the original)
Good Work, mates!!
My CPCs GXs love u

o.k o.k the poke(with all objets) don`t work very well, because the abad try catch you ever :D. And i  try to view what can do with the palette and the stop and all the other suggestions.

Guillermo orientation mean that  in the original game when you start guillermo its watching  at you. And he was  watching forward because in the original 64k it begin in the second screen watching  forward....

So thats the diference where guillermo is  looking at the start.

Cleaned the interface.(the poke was not fixed)

Hey @dragon , very nice! Many thanks for all these modifications.

And what about a quick translation of the instructions in English in a second PDF? Here it is ;)

Note: Have you seen that Guillermo is again turned in the wrong direction in this version 2.2 ?  ???

This is the original position (picture from cpcpower):

(https://www.cpc-power.com/extra_lire_fichier.php?extra=fiches&fiche=222&slot=1&part=222_r1_40.png)


But if you like more the other i can compile it.

Thanks for translate the manual!.

Quote from: dragon on 13:20, 15 January 23This is the original position (picture from cpcpower):

(https://www.cpc-power.com/extra_lire_fichier.php?extra=fiches&fiche=222&slot=1&part=222_r1_40.png)


But if you like more the other i can compile it.

Thanks for translate the manual!.

No, just let it like in the original 128k release  ;)
More upgrades planned ? 😃

I want look the poke, the palette and some bugs of the original game , but don't in one day, :P.

Add the option of plus palette.

Quote from: dragon on 18:03, 17 January 23Add the option of plus palette.

I'm really sorry but I understand nothing to this cryptic system to choose colours in the 4096 colour palette :-X  Please can you just offer a nice Plus palette like the ones shown by @RockRiver or @CyrilAmstrad rather than the hability to change all the colours manually ? Maybe holding UP while pressing the button to choose the language for example ??? ?

Note: I didn't immediatly understand what you were talking about when you said you changed 'DAY' in the English version. Well done, it's a nice adjustment that was lost in your first English version, indeed  ;) 

I am not a graphycall guy.

The game have three palettes  each palette have 4 inks + border.

0:Are all black in the original palette
1:its tha pallete used in the  day.
2: its the palette used in the night

An thats all. In every ink you can choose from 4096 colours.

So chosining the color here:

https://rangevoting.org/ColorCode.html

And traslated  the number in decimal
https://www.binaryhexconverter.com/hex-to-decimal-converter

Yo know what to enter.

In other words,i  can put a palette predefined.But i don`t know what palette put.So you can test with these :S Tell me what do you want.


Maybe @CyrilAmstrad can help with this.

@CyrilAmstrad or @RockRiver , a little bit of help ?  8)

Quote from: dragon on 21:54, 17 January 23I am not a graphycall guy.

The game have three palettes  each palette have 4 inks + border.

0:Are all black in the original palette
1:its tha pallete used in the  day.
2: its the palette used in the night

An thats all. In every ink you can choose from 4096 colours.

So chosining the color here:

https://rangevoting.org/ColorCode.html

And traslated  the number in decimal
https://www.binaryhexconverter.com/hex-to-decimal-converter

Yo know what to enter.

In other words,i  can put a palette predefined.But i don`t know what palette put.So you can test with these :S Tell me what do you want.


Maybe @CyrilAmstrad can help with this.

Hello @dragon :
Considering inks number as : 0 drawing  ; 1 faces colums ; 2 walls ; 3 grounds

Day palette :

0= 000
1= #8E4   = 2276 decimal
2= #152   = 338 decimal
3= #767  = 1865

Night palette:
0=000
1= #5c4 = 1476 decimal
2= #041 = 65 decimal
3= #014 = 20 decimal

let me know if it suit for you , by the way as usual , by PM if more confortable for you ;)
cheers

Thanks for your time and good work, mates!!
Enjoy "Abadia"

Guide PDF (sorry in spanish)(mega link there)

https://twitter.com/EnriqueBCN/status/1550762568150618113?s=20&t=1M2RaoUwJ0xz8KpPBmP69A

One great game, four flavours: (five, at PCW by Habisoft)
- CPC classic
- MSX2 remake
- Abadia Extensum
- CPC+  / CPR   by Dragon


Masterpiece !!!   Credits:
Umberto Eco / Jean-Jacques Annaud
Paco Menéndez & Juan Delcan
Pazos & Celemin
and now Dragon 😎 this is historical, man. History!!!

Quote from: CyrilAmstrad on 10:55, 18 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 21:54, 17 January 23I am not a graphycall guy.
The game have three palettes  each palette have 4 inks + border.
0:Are all black in the original palette
1:its tha pallete used in the  day.
2: its the palette used in the night
An thats all. In every ink you can choose from 4096 colours.
So chosining the color here:
https://rangevoting.org/ColorCode.html
And traslated  the number in decimal
https://www.binaryhexconverter.com/hex-to-decimal-converter
Yo know what to enter.
In other words,i  can put a palette predefined.But i don`t know what palette put.So you can test with these :S Tell me what do you want.
Maybe @CyrilAmstrad can help with this.

Hello @dragon :
Considering inks number as : 0 drawing  ; 1 faces colums ; 2 walls ; 3 grounds
Day palette :
0= 000
1= #8E4  = 2276 decimal
2= #152  = 338 decimal
3= #767  = 1865
Night palette:
0=000
1= #5c4 = 1476 decimal
2= #041 = 65 decimal
3= #014 = 20 decimal
let me know if it suit for you , by the way as usual , by PM if more confortable for you ;)
cheers

Ok, after some tests, I think it's more something like this for the colour order to use in the @dragon 's test system :

0 grounds; 1 walls; 2 faces colums; 3 drawing 

Day palette :

0= #767 = 1865 decimal
1= #152 = 338 decimal
2= #8E4 = 2276 decimal
3= #000 = 000 decimal

Night palette:
0= #014 = 20 decimal
1= #041 = 65 decimal
2= #5c4 = 1476 decimal
3= #000 = 0 decimal

I didn't have time to test the night colours but for day colours, the ground colour isn't the good one. It's more a blue than a grey. Can you see if you can reproduce the same grey that you shown on your mockup previously ?

A test finding the colours slightly matching with @CyrilAmstrad mockup.

And I think that after that it would be nice to patch colours of the introduction, these red and pink aren't very effective if the game itself become "Plus friendly" 8)

There is a bug with inkey$ function from basic. Every time inkey$ was invoked the amstrad basic store in ram the key you have pressed.

The problem was when you are in a loop selecting the number of the ink using inkey$ from 0 to 4096 every pressed was stored.....and stored..... and stored...... eternally and all in ram was destroyed. :picard2: :picard: :laugh: that include the palette stored in ram.

So i have changed inkey$ with joy that fortunly don't store the keys  pressed in ram.


i dot`t have tested the palettes im busing fixing  this.

So its posibble that sometime the palete was input ok and other pissed if you press many time the pad wtf.

And yeah i don't know the esact order of who whas who in the registers.

I think we can choose more that one. And i can change the menu so you have the option of insert it manually as now or  choose from a previus palettes selected by us.


well the pergamine palete are loaded apart so its need search where are the subrutines.

Maybe we can make palettes "pcw" and msx style :D

ixien night

Quote from: dragon on 20:02, 18 January 23There is a bug with inkey$ function from basic. Every time inkey$ was invoked the amstrad basic store in ram the key you have pressed.

The problem was when you are in a loop selecting the number of the ink using inkey$ from 0 to 4096 every pressed was stored.....and stored..... and stored...... eternally and all in ram was destroyed. :picard2: :picard: :laugh: that include the palette stored in ram.

So i have changed inkey$ with joy that fortunly don't store the keys  pressed in ram.


i dot`t have tested the palettes im busing fixing  this.

So its posibble that sometime the palete was input ok and other pissed if you press many time the pad wtf.

And yeah i don't know the esact order of who whas who in the registers.

I think we can choose more that one. And i can change the menu so you have the option of insert it manually as now or  choose from a previus palettes selected by us.


well the pergamine palete are loaded apart so its need search where are the subrutines.

Maybe we can make palettes "pcw" and msx style :D

ixien night

I'm sorry @dragon but I really don't see the interest of a custumizable palette. Just offer a nice Plus palette in alternative to the original one and that's it. Want to play the game with original colours? 1 or 2 and go. Want to play with Plus colours? UP+1 or UP+2 and go. 

Now what is important is to choose consistent colors between day and night (aka the same purple you show at night, used at day too) @CyrilAmstrad can maybe give us these right colours  8) ?

Something like that:

Quote from: iXien on 21:44, 18 January 23Something like that:

Very very nice !!!!

I need a progam that tell me thje right codes.These web page output red in green. wtf :picard2:  anyway maybe we can be two or three. pcw,mode msx,mode as i tell.

Quote from: dragon on 21:52, 18 January 23I need a progam that tell me thje right codes.These web page output red in green. wtf :picard2:  anyway maybe we can be two or three. pcw,mode msx,mode as i tell.

Don't worry : CPC classic palette and CPC+ palette it's enough.
(The other palettes for the other systems )
Thank You very much

Quote from: dragon on 21:52, 18 January 23I need a progam that tell me thje right codes.These web page output red in green. wtf :picard2:  anyway maybe we can be two or three. pcw,mode msx,mode as i tell.

The simpler it is, the nicer it is. It's not a Super Gameboy @dragon  :P  ! CPC colours or new PLUS colours is enough for everyone  ;) 

A very impressive proposal from a real graphician. The use of the palette is clever and the colours of night permit to play without any loss of visibililty. As a bonus, these colours would make the Plus version really unique :

So nice !!!
@CyrilAmstrad : Do you like it???

C'mon Let's Go !!!

After MSX2 version , Pazos & Celemin make this:

https://www.abadiadelcrimenextensum.com/en/main-2/

Not 8bit, sorry!!
For the wait, training to Dragon's CPC+/GX4000 exclusive and luxury version  8)

@dragon ,
I think it's enough to have 2 colors options at start :
-Old colors
Or
- CPC+ colors with stand choices. ( night and day)

@iXien graphist proposals looks a bit « commodorian » shades for some few part of them.
Anyway , it's a question of atmosphere.
But mode1 is not allow such possibilities.
( improve a bit the original or complexly different with some « discussed »shades.
About colors range value , is after to decide which ones you decide I guess.
Cheers

For me the second proposal is the good one  ;)

Yes, a bit commodorian, but difficult to avoid when you have more nuanced colors but can only display four of them simultaneously. But I love the fact these colours give is own identity to the PLUS/GX4000 version. And these soft colors perfectly match the cozy atmosphere of the game.

@CyrilAmstrad , @dragon , let's go! @RockRiver is waiting to play all the game for the 100th time with this new version  :P

Feel free!!! the Commodore version does not exist. :D
[Nowadays Abbey only on Z80, 8086 and extensum modern systems]

CPC+ / GX , CPR will be the best !!!

By Commodore you mean Amiga? ;D
Because I will see more of these colours on NES/GBC than on C64.

Quote from: iXien on 21:32, 17 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 18:03, 17 January 23Add the option of plus palette.

I'm really sorry but I understand nothing to this cryptic system to choose colours in the 4096 colour palette :-X  Please can you just offer a nice Plus palette like the ones shown by @RockRiver or @CyrilAmstrad rather than the hability to change all the colours manually ? Maybe holding UP while pressing the button to choose the language for example ??? ?

Note: I didn't immediatly understand what you were talking about when you said you changed 'DAY' in the English version. Well done, it's a nice adjustment that was lost in your first English version, indeed  ;)

Abadia v2.3 / 2.3.1
How I could enter to palette menu ?
It is hidden ?


And what about a CPC+ overscan title screen ??
(examples of redone)
MSX2 one:
https://computeremuzone.com/fichas/a/abadia-msx21.gif
ZX spectrum by MAC:
https://zxart.ee/zxscreen/border:0/mode:mix/pal:srgb/type:standard/zoom:3/id:194838/

It don't show if you don't have a crtc 3. (Plus asic).

2.4 add pergamine palette option

The dsk have a save at the finish of the game to view pergamine 2

In principle the two pergamines share same palette

Quote from: dragon on 14:32, 19 January 232.4 add pergamine palette option

The dsk have a save at the finish of the game to view pergamine 2

In principle the two pergamines share same palette

I just understood what is pergamine. But what about the proposed colour scheme ? The last one presented seems to please everyone ? Or not @dragon ?

Parchement you hace selected finally a palette for ingame ?.

Its exactly the same subrutine but with the palette for parchement.

Put a pool And the candidates. :).

Quote from: dragon on 19:33, 19 January 23Parchement you hace selected finally a palette for ingame ?.

For me, consider that the colours of the last mockups I sent (Parchment, day and night) are perfect for Plus recolored version  8)

Anyway I need the palette Codes :).

Quote from: dragon on 19:37, 19 January 23Anyway I need the palette Codes :).

Ok @dragon , here are the infos. I tested them, it's ok. Just apply and let's the magic amaze us!  8)

Parchment palette (0 parchment; 1 background; 2 normal letter; 3 capital letter)
0 = #DE7 = 3559 decimal
1 = #490 = 1168 decimal
2 = #330 = 816 decimal
3 = #3D1 = 977 decimal
Border = #490 = 1168 decimal

Day palette (0 grounds; 1 walls; 2 faces/columns; 3 drawing)
0 = #490 = 1168 decimal
1 = #9B2 = 2482 decimal
2 = #DE7 = 3559 decimal
3 = #020 = 32 decimal
Border = #000 = 0 decimal

Night palette (0 grounds; 1 walls; 2 faces/columns; 3 drawing)
0 = #548 = 1352 decimal
1 = #98A = 2442 decimal
2 = #DCD = 3533 decimal
3 = #112 = 274 decimal
Border = #000 = 0 decimal

Don't ask me how I managed to do so... That's here, take it  :P

Commodore edition. :D

Quote from: dragon on 01:44, 20 January 23Commodore edition. :D

At last, La Abadia Del Crimen on Amiga  :P

That's perfect like this @dragon  ;)

Maybe:
    - Simple white on menu rather than yellow
    - as you indicate how to select Spanish/English version, replace the line to choose Plus mode by this one centered : PLUS version ( ←  → ) : OFF
    - You really want to keep your version with this palette editor?  :D
    - Hey, where are the pokes on a separate CPR? (and when they will be back, prefer 'No' to Not' for the negative in English)

After that, like @RockRiver said, there is the question of the title screen. imo, MSX2 and Spectrum ones are unusable on PLUS considering the resolutions and colour restrictions. And I really love the Amstrad CPC title screen. Maybe with Plus colours (I think it will need to be slightly modified to better use the colours)

That's all... for now 8)

For tittle screen CPC+ overscan
 Look at PDF guide of Abadía... photomontage with Sean Connery (rip  :'( )

https://twitter.com/EnriqueBCN/status/1550762568150618113?s=20&t=_gxFEiBg-XBQjc7FiAMFcg

This picture on CPC+/GX , do you like it???

*Selecting Classic version open classic tittle screen
*Selecting Plus Palette open this new ¿?

@CyrilAmstrad  : your magic to pass the cover picture to CPC+ screen???

Which utility ?

ConvImgCPC ?

A loading screen for a cartridge? It would be nice if the text of the parchment was displayed faster and that we continued directly on the game. The menu looks useless if you provide spanish and english versions of the game. Too much things before playing for me.

On RVM and CPCEC the game hang if you press fire into the game.

Yes indeed , a title screen is "total pro" !!! Like in good french GX cartridges

And Yezzz !!! Text of the "pergamine" is boring slow...
Maybe accelerate it with right pad arrow?

Ups!!! RVM and CPCEC are good CPC "models" nowadays   8)
(My GX4128 is the "SugarPi" rasp Baremetal)

Let's Go!!! Mates!!
This will be the definitive Abbey version 🤜🤛

Thanks a lot, @dragon

And when finished... what about a real GX cartridge???
Ha ha 

Do you like my poor "homebrew"? hybrid MSX2/BluRay edition in a MegaDrive Case   :picard:  :laugh:

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Cómo se dice "mira que soy cutre" in english???
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Sorry mates!!!

Abadia/Abbay is a beloved videogame in Spain... they make a Postal Service postage stamp for the Anniversary

Now with this CRT version , loved in Aaaaall over the World

Quote from: TotO on 12:11, 20 January 23A loading screen for a cartridge? It would be nice if the text of the parchment was displayed faster and that we continued directly on the game. The menu looks useless if you provide spanish and english versions of the game. Too much things before playing for me.
On RVM and CPCEC the game hang if you press fire into the game.

You already now my opinion about slashscreens, even on consoles, how it's a pertinent element considering the atmosphere of a game (particularly when the intro doesn't offer pictures) (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/tongue.gif)

After that, completely agree about the slowwwwww text during the intro. An idea of the speed that would be nice? I think that double the speed is a good idea, it's so slow, if @dragon is ok of course.

About the option screen at the beginning. Once again, it's @dragon that tells us. But maybe when he will consider that he has a final version, he could make different CPR like this :
    - Spanish + Menu (language, colour scheme) + Pokes
    - Spanish Standard colours
    - Spanish Plus colours
    - English + Menu (language, colour scheme) + Pokes
    - English Standard colours
    - English Plus colours

But really at the end, to be sure not to have to replicate each time an update has to be made. @dragon ?

Quote from: RockRiver on 11:54, 20 January 23For tittle screen CPC+ overscan
 Look at PDF guide of Abadía... photomontage with Sean Connery (rip  :'( )

https://twitter.com/EnriqueBCN/status/1550762568150618113?s=20&t=_gxFEiBg-XBQjc7FiAMFcg

This picture on CPC+/GX , do you like it???

*Selecting Classic version open classic tittle screen
*Selecting Plus Palette open this new ¿?

In my own opinion, considering that the game never has been licenced by the movie and the fact that all the versions display the same title screen (even the MSX2 and Windows Extensum versions), I think that (if we keep a title screen) it's this one and no other that has to be used, showing us what the authors had in mind  ;)

Quote from: dragon on 02:21, 14 January 23o.k o.k the poke(...) because the abad try catch you ever
(...)

Cheats are necessary. The Abbot is a controlling "bunch of shit" that leaves your energy to a minimum when trying to follow him  ::) :laugh:

Quote from: iXien on 15:02, 20 January 23

Quote from: RockRiver on 11:54, 20 January 23For tittle screen CPC+ overscan
 Look at PDF guide of Abadía... photomontage with Sean Connery (rip  :'( )

https://twitter.com/EnriqueBCN/status/1550762568150618113?s=20&t=_gxFEiBg-XBQjc7FiAMFcg

This picture on CPC+/GX , do you like it???

*Selecting Classic version open classic tittle screen
*Selecting Plus Palette open this new ¿?

In my own opinion, considering that the game never has been licenced by the movie and the fact that all the versions display the same title screen (even the MSX2 and Windows Extensum version), I think that (if we keep a title screen), it's this one and no other that has to be used, showing us what the authors had in mind  ;)

All is controversial about this title cause the final circunstances of Paco Menendez (a crack 🙌🙏r.i.p.)

Pazos & cia.was preparing a modern console edition with Extensum for PSX, Switch... but Menendez's family stop it and Delcan respect his friend and partner and his family...

I ask Pazos to buy a physical MSX2 edition on cartridge, he told me that it is free on Web ... and he respect the family too 🤝

There are official game enhancements on Steam to update colors and graphics.
Strange idea to think of using a movie picture for replacing the original content.

Other great game by Menendez is "Sir Fred" (Roland on the Ropes II  ;) )
I'm fan of this guy. U know

(Other terribly hard to finish without cheats)

Quote from: TotO on 15:12, 20 January 23There are official game enhancements on Steam to update colors and graphics.
Strange idea to think of using a movie frame which will replace the original content.

C'mon it is a 80's pirate inspiration... you never copy a cassette???
(In early 80's nobody except Nintendo and Atari worried about copyrights, ask Japan or Kojima)
This marvellous game is not more famous cause film maker didn't allow the Same Name...
And Umberto Eco has a Spectrum or Amstrad???

Maybe it's time to move the messages related to La Abadia to another thread @Gryzor ?

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🤐

Quote from: RockRiver on 15:15, 20 January 23I'm fan of this guy. U know

I suspected something like that, yes...  ;)

Quote from: abalore on 15:21, 20 January 23Maybe it's time to move the messages related to La Abadia to another thread @Gryzor ?

I was thinking about that, yes. I think we weren't expected it would take such an extend.

-Don't lost the point of view. The cartridge was made to be compatible with all cpc range that include the old range 464,472 and 664 and 6128 .So a screen plus at boot no.

-Overscan(convimg) sound dificult to make it work as i don't know what memory range they use. And i  have to lidiate with the original loader.  It appers it need store it in 0200, That proably kill the loader. And in basic they only throw a memory full......(inside the other basic program)

-About the other (withconvimg)if it work with lucky and you call it and it come back after load the picture in the video zone.Maybe can be put in 0 mode.Because the game should reset all the inks and the mode at the start by herserlf. But if you use the same picture from english and spanish, you need a picture witihout any text inside.

-¿When you buy a ps5 game it come with one disk to every languaje?.


Even if you buy a north and south  in amstrad you choose the languaje inside, not outside. Even the poke version don't should exist. And they shoud work integrated activated with a combination of buttons. Thats alan sugar philopsophy all integrated.


About the pergamine, i don't have idea if he could be accelerate.But patching it mean patchin the other pergamine, and thats mean rework inside the ram ingame. There is some retards here and there.But who knows.

Even now i left out of space,because the subrutine became more bigger and bigger(it beggin litte), and i have rearched the barrier of amsdos ram so if i  call another new picture i need move  it down, and i need change all the jumps one by one at  hand in the dsk.

I have made a test in a dsk alone with  a pair of pictures using convimg.

And about physical cartridge,Thats some muddy in the time you put money in middle. You need ask to opera,And that's something I don't want to mess with that,If someone wants to do it, do it, but for me this is something non-profit only for hobby. 




-I don't view any rare in virtualmachine, it works as they should,loading and save in f1.

Quote from: abalore on 15:21, 20 January 23Maybe it's time to move the messages related to La Abadia to another thread @Gryzor ?

Sure, can you point me to the first post? Haven't followed...

Quote from: Gryzor on 16:19, 20 January 23

Quote from: abalore on 15:21, 20 January 23Maybe it's time to move the messages related to La Abadia to another thread @Gryzor ?

Sure, can you point me to the first post? Haven't followed...

You can move everything from : https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?msg=224291

Just take care to keep this one in the topic: https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?msg=224522

Quote from: dragon on 16:09, 20 January 23-Don't lost the point of view. The cartridge was made to be compatible with all cpc range that include the old range 464,472 and 664 and 6128 .So a screen plus at boot no.

-Overscan(convimg) sound dificult to make it work as i don't know what memory range they use. And i  have to lidiate with the original loader.  It appers it need store it in 0200, That proably kill the loader. And in basic they only throw a memory full......(inside the other basic program)

-About the other (withconvimg)if it work with lucky and you call it and it come back after load the picture in the video zone.Maybe can be put in 0 mode.Because the game should reset all the inks and the mode at the start by herserlf. But if you use the same picture from english and spanish, you need a picture witihout any text inside.

-¿When you buy a ps5 game it come with one disk to every languaje?.


Even if you buy a north and south  in amstrad you choose the languaje inside, not outside. Even the poke version don't should exist. And they shoud work integrated activated with a combination of buttons. Thats alan sugar philopsophy all integrated.


About the pergamine, i don't have idea if he could be accelerate.But patching it mean patchin the other pergamine, and thats mean rework inside the ram ingame. There is some retards here and there.But who knows.

Even now i left out of space,because the subrutine became more bigger and bigger(it beggin litte), and i have rearched the barrier of amsdos ram so if i  call another new picture i need move  it down, and i need change all the jumps one by one at  hand in the dsk.

I have made a test in a dsk alone with  a pair of pictures using convimg.

And about physical cartridge,Thats some muddy in the time you put money in middle. You need ask to opera,And that's something I don't want to mess with that,If someone wants to do it, do it, but for me this is something non-profit only for hobby.




-I don't view any rare in virtualmachine, it works as they should,loading and save in f1.

ok, ok, @dragon , no problem

Personnally, I think that you have done what was important. For me the last thing is the title screen that we can keep where it is. But it would be nice to see a Plus titlescreen when loading the Plus version.

Your test included in the 2.6 version is interesting, need some care, but interesting. I think it would be better to keep a 320x200 screen as the game itself isn't in overscan. After that, you'll have done the job (and a fantastic job) provided that there are no more ingame nasty bugs  8)

Quote from: dragon on 16:09, 20 January 23When you buy a ps5 game it come with one disk to every languaje?

PS5? Obviously not. But on CPC, it was the case.

Quote from: RockRiver on 15:21, 20 January 23

Quote from: TotO on 15:12, 20 January 23There are official game enhancements on Steam to update colors and graphics.
Strange idea to think of using a movie frame which will replace the original content.

C'mon it is a 80's pirate inspiration... you never copy a cassette???
(In early 80's nobody except Nintendo and Atari worried about copyrights, ask Japan or Kojima)
This marvellous game is not more famous cause film maker didn't allow the Same Name...
And Umberto Eco had a Spectrum or Amstrad???

Many thanks @Gryzor, now we can continue that fabulous project on the right place !  8)

My pleasure, sorry about the delay! 

Quote from: Gryzor on 21:02, 20 January 23My pleasure, sorry about the delay!

We all have priorities in real life ;)

Ok guys, we are in the right place to show marvels !  :D

@dragon , here are nice Plus title screens to replace the original ones in Spanish and English !

Just suggestions. Maybe you can remove the store effect (inherited from the original loader on tape) to make the title screen directly splash on screen in all versions. 

More important, as I just notice showing a longplay of the game, it would be nice to move the title screen back before the parchment as it is its real place in the original release  8)

A little upgrade with better organization 8) :

Msx2 title screen:

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQmvMsQR/abadia-msx21-1.gif) (https://postimg.cc/sQmvMsQR)

Forever I have a big doubt about MSX2 vs CPC+
My brain exploded when I saw MSX2 Isometric Remakes of Batman , Alien8, Abadia, HeadOverHeels, Knight Lore... Great use of colours and graphics .

But my childhood was with CPC

CPC+ is only a CPC with 4096 colours? or has similar capabilities as MSX2 gfx ? (maybe less video ram in CPC...)

I love the CPC+ palette remakes / CPRs by @CyrilAmstrad Ayor61
Good food for my CPC+ and GX

The use of the CPC Plus Palette remember me MSX2 system. That colourfull games.
Thanks @dragon for make this version with Plus Palette option.

Quote from: iXien on 23:15, 20 January 23A little upgrade with better organization 8)

Yes, it looks better like that.

2.7 Add plus screeen generated by convimg (that mean they can be changed, but the palette and the code should be include  in the .scr generated  by the program.)

Quote from: iXien on 21:25, 20 January 23Ok guys, we are in the right place to show marvels !  :D

@dragon , here are nice Plus title screens to replace the original ones in Spanish and English !

Just suggestions. Maybe you can remove the store effect (inherited from the original loader on tape) to make the title screen directly splash on screen in all versions.

More important, as I just notice showing a longplay of the game, it would be nice to move the title screen back before the parchment as it is its real place in the original release  8)

These effect are in the loader side of the sevillian guys in the 80, i think opera change the order in the tape version,and change it mean change the loader of the 80 cracker guys.

https://youtu.be/u0Ihs4eWKFM

@dragon If that can help, here the files for the Plus title screens.

Quote from: dragon on 01:17, 21 January 23These effect are in the loader side of the sevillian guys in the 80, i think opera change the order in the tape version,and change it mean change the loader of the 80 cracker guys.

It's disturbing that the title screen isn't in the place Juan DELCAN put it in the original version (Opera made this modification just only for technical constraints), and I'm not sure the authors liked that ;)

Just removing the title screen of the loader from the sevillian guys and adding it in your Basic loader after the ask for colours/language/pokes would permit to fix all the problems, loading the title screen at first even in the classic colours version, and without the store effect.

I can provide you all the SCR screens with detailed inks. Here they are  :)

Quote from: RockRiver on 23:31, 20 January 23Msx2 title screen:

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQmvMsQR/abadia-msx21-1.gif) (https://postimg.cc/sQmvMsQR)

Forever I have a big doubt about MSX2 vs CPC+
My brain exploded when I saw MSX2 Isometric Remakes of Batman , Alien8, Abadia, HeadOverHeels, Knight Lore... Great use of colours and graphics .

But my childhood was with CPC

CPC+ is only a CPC with 4096 colours? or has similar capabilities as MSX2 gfx ? (maybe less video ram in CPC...)

I love the CPC+ palette remakes / CPRs by @CyrilAmstrad Ayor61
Good food for my CPC+ and GX

The use of the CPC Plus Palette remember me MSX2 system. That colourfull games.
Thanks @dragon for make this version with Plus Palette option.

We all saw the MSX2 title screen ;) , but you'll never display that on a Plus machine. And the attempt in the 2.7 version shows us how a direct conversion deteriorate the MSX2 picture. The screens that I showed you are in my humble opinion the best we can do with only 16 colours displayable on screen.

I hope @dragon will include these screens using the elements we provide him, it would be so beautiful  :)

it create more problems,because something in convimg decide that the plus pictures should stoped with space.Thats mean a bunch of pokes in basic.Also every .scr ocupped more space in the dsk.

Moving screent to the start.

Now im no sure  try take a look at  the pergamine or the overscan.

Quote from: dragon on 16:26, 21 January 23it create more problems,because something in convimg decide that the plus pictures should stoped with space.Thats mean a bunch of pokes in basic.Also every .scr ocupped more space in the dsk.

Moving screent to the start.

Now im no sure  try take a look at  the pergamine or the overscan.

A loading feauture maybe can be in plus series if we put a loading in hardware sprites.They are always on top of the screen.Connect and disconnect the sprites,don't matter is some loader is using screen to moving things.

@dragon  at the end of the game we must to press two keys (two letters) on keyboard... 
Then on game pad you must press only two determinate direction and/or button  8) or will die  :o

I'm on the way??? I think you thought about that.


I will not make more spoiler.

its only button 2. Anyway you die if you don't do it in the rigth place... (its  more easy  this that  use in the game pad ttwo keys as we don`t have free butttons , using adso button don't affect walk or save/load,its the best option).

Quote from: dragon on 16:26, 21 January 23it create more problems,because something in convimg decide that the plus pictures should stoped with space.Thats mean a bunch of pokes in basic.Also every .scr ocupped more space in the dsk.

Moving screent to the start.

Whooooo, nice job! It's beginning to be very impressive with the Plus title screens and all title screens before the parchment  :o Well done!

Quote from: dragon on 16:26, 21 January 23Now im no sure  try take a look at  the pergamine or the overscan.

Personally, I don't think that overscan is interesting here as the game itself doesn't use even a 320x200 display, only 256x192. It would be puzzling.

About the parchment. I think that x2 the speed of the two parchments would be very nice and good enough, and it would justify the difficulties to modify it  ;) And would it be difficult to replace the parchment itself in the Plus version? As you can suppose, I already have something to submit to you. You'll find it attached (ZIP file including SCR + palette in TXT respecting original order for normal and capital letters) What do you think?  :)

Quote from: dragon on 16:37, 21 January 23A loading feauture maybe can be in plus series if we put a loading in hardware sprites.They are always on top of the screen.Connect and disconnect the sprites,don't matter is some loader is using screen to moving things.

It is better not to add anything to such a respectable work. Even other recent versions haven't  ;)

Quote from: dragon on 20:06, 21 January 23its only button 2. Anyway you die if you don't do it in the rigth place... (its  more easy  this that  use in the game pad ttwo keys as we don`t have free butttons , using adso button don't affect walk or save/load,its the best option).

Is that indicated somewhere in the instruction manual or directly in the game? Because, without this information, of course the player will die ignoring what to do  8)

Not sure what you mean the parchement was paco menendez code.Its alone but its the game.

edit: i dont understand do you want change the plus palette?

I think the 2nd button it isn the manual if i remeber o.k

Quote from: dragon on 23:16, 21 January 23Not sure what you mean the parchement was paco menendez code.Its alone but its the game.

edit: i dont understand do you want change the plus palette?

That was part of my question, in reality. So it is part of the code. No matter, we won't change the parchment and the palette is perfect like this ;)

But you can keep the effort to accelerate the write speed 8) ?

Quote from: dragon on 23:16, 21 January 23I think the 2nd button it isn the manual if i remeber o.k

It's a problem. @RockRiver , as you seem to well know the game, how we can indicate this ? Are we talking about the mirror screen or something else?


Some other things, in the game this time. 
    - Would it be difficult to invert fire 1 and 2 ? You know, button 1 is usually devoted to main action while button 2 (even on Nes or Master System) is prefered for a secondary action. I think calling Adso (activate miror and this mysterious action @RockRiver is talking about) is a main action that better fit on button 1 while button 2 would be perfect to trigger the save system. I say that because while plyaing, I often confuse the two button, and I trigger the save system whien I just wanted to call Adso.
    - Do you think it would be possible to modify ingame text when they ask for sleeping in the cell ? To indicate what to do without having to remember the manual: S:N replaced by SI(DER):NO(F2) or YES(RT):NO(F2) (Of course, I suppose that F2 would become F1 if you invert buttons for main action/save)

Quote from: iXien on 22:25, 21 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 20:06, 21 January 23its only button 2. Anyway you die if you don't do it in the rigth place... (its  more easy  this that  use in the game pad ttwo keys as we don`t have free butttons , using adso button don't affect walk or save/load,its the best option).

Is that indicated somewhere in the instruction manual or directly in the game? Because, without this information, of course the player will die ignoring what to do  8)

Check Abadia Guide pdf by EnriqueG73

I discover the game not hang by pressing fire, but want to record the game progress. :-\
So, the main action buton allow to save and the second buton (if you have one) to play.

I agree, that will be nice to be able to swap them, and if possible to keep the related keyboard key.
Into the original version, there are no message displayed while you are doing that?

Really you like turn the things difricult. Adso in button   2 its the original control choose by  Paco Menéndez. 1 was the don't used.


Its only in the mirror screen,pressing  one button or two button there its no diference That don't k lill you. The Game don't check  anything with that.

But if you use two buttons that It can  stuck  you. Because the Game recive two orders moving And activate the mirror. It you move first you can die. It the same that in the night. Where we  don't have free  buttons and the yes was in the movement.view who Guillermo turn 90° before the Game Discover you are try to sleep. Its using only adso button to avoid that.


Im not sure if was posible changing the text,is  changing all lenght in the text Game. All phrases.


Nobody read the manual sniff. :picard2:

No toto in the original Game there its.only a cursor when you doing  it simply press a combinación key. Crtrl+l+F1 things like that.

I have rehused that crappy cursor with the slot number more useful  think

Into the manual, it is printed that you can use cursor down, the joystick fire button or the Z key.
For my player view, the joystick fire button hang the game, so I just report it as a bug. :-\

It looks Paco MENENDEZ have not tested his game with a joystick.
He as used the code &20 instead of &10 to handle the good button.
Nobody own a two buttons controller in 1987 on CPC. It was a bug.

So, I confirm that will be nice to swap the buttons usage.

i refer to my manual. :D

Pergamine speed up.

its in &2e40, but i need  changed all the other controls,sleep,mirror,save... to swap it.

Quote from: dragon on 11:45, 22 January 23Really you like turn the things difricult. Adso in button  2 its the original control choose by  Paco Menéndez. 1 was the don't used.

No, I don't turn things difficult. But the gameplay and pleasure of the player surpass programmer comfort :P There was no two button joysticks in 1987 on CPC, and the original instruction manual indicates that you have to press fire on joystick to call Adso. So I just pointed an historical bug. It's wonderful to be able to correct it in this upgraded version making Fire 1 correspond to standard actions and Fire 2 to open load/save system ;)

Quote from: dragon on 11:45, 22 January 23Im not sure if was posible changing the text,is  changing all lenght in the text Game. All phrases.

I was afraid of a thing like that. It's a shame but that's it, no problem. At least, maybe you can change to text in English version replacing S:N by Y:N ?

Quote from: dragon on 11:45, 22 January 23Nobody read the manual sniff. :picard2:

I read and translated the documentation in English, I'm a good boy 8) And I saw the button to activate the mirror mechanism. I was just afraid that @RockRiver had pointed a new thing to patch.

But the fact is that people doesn't read manual, the never read them. That's why good games are designed to be fully playable without having to read the documentation or with a logical gameplay that makes it easily comprehensive.

Quote from: dragon on 13:45, 22 January 23Pergamine speed up.

Whooo, now you have to know that you can press right to accelerate and you made it so fast it's unreadable before the next page display :-\  Just double the speed by default (ni need to keep the original speed in that case), not x4 or x8, please !

Quote from: dragon on 13:45, 22 January 23its in &2e40, but i need  changed all the other controls,sleep,mirror,save... to swap it.

Have you made it? As far as I can see, Fire 2 is again used to call Adso. Or if you plan to do it, I think it's an important gameplay upgrade that justify the effort  ;)

You can back with  left to normal speed and read. :D

Not sure about the speed.The parameters standars are.

0320->normal letter
ea60->return
0bb8->space
0000->next page

top speed are 0001 :D

i need take a look at text subutines its not a not,only maybe yes or not.

Now you need remade the manual with the swap button.

Quote from: dragon on 14:57, 22 January 23Now you need remade the manual with the swap button.

All the functions previously on fire2 are now on fire 1 and vice-versa, including the RAM load/save features ?

I will modify the manuals in English and Spanish a@ soon as I'm at home 😉

Only to acces it, inside the menu save/loaded i don' have change it. it continue as always

So ingame,sleeping, and in the mirror screen,

You can add in the manuals the speed buttons of the patchement if tou want.

Quote from: dragon on 15:54, 22 January 23Only to acces it, inside the menu save/loaded i don' have change it. it continue as always

So ingame,sleeping, and in the mirror screen,

You can add in the manuals the speed buttons of the patchement if tou want.

You don't want to make the acceleration by default? I don't understand the idea to wait more than 5 minutes to read so little texts...

Quote from: dragon on 14:57, 22 January 23Not sure about the speed.The parameters standars are.

0320->normal letter
ea60->return
0bb8->space
0000->next page

top speed are 0001 :D

Maybe you can try half of each original value to double the speed and I will tell you if it's ok  ;)

Not sure first best we search the speed idealy

this is with the settings 25% faster;

ld hl,&0258 ;25%speed
ld (&66e8),hl;letras normales
ld hl,&afc8
ld (&6745),hl;retorno carro
ld hl,&08ca
ld (&6735),hl;espacio
ld hl,&c000
ld (&6760),hl;pasar pagina

Quote from: dragon on 18:51, 22 January 23Not sure first best we search the speed idealy

this is with the settings 25% faster;

ld hl,&0258 ;25%speed
ld (&66e8),hl;letras normales
ld hl,&afc8
ld (&6745),hl;retorno carro
ld hl,&08ca
ld (&6735),hl;espacio
ld hl,&c000
ld (&6760),hl;pasar pagina

Maybe 50%  :D ?

ld hl,&0190 ;50%speed
ld (&66e8),hl;letras normales
ld hl,&7530
ld (&6745),hl;retorno carro
ld hl,&05dc
ld (&6735),hl;espacio
ld hl,&7fff
ld (&6760),hl;pasar pagina

:o bravo!!!!

Quote from: TotO on 12:46, 22 January 23Nobody own a two buttons controller in 1987 on CPC. It was a bug.

I had a friend that had an Amstrad JY-1, that had two independent fire buttons, and I'm fairly that was around 1987 (or even earlier).

Quote from: dragon on 19:58, 22 January 23ld hl,&0190 ;50%speed
ld (&66e8),hl;letras normales
ld hl,&7530
ld (&6745),hl;retorno carro
ld hl,&05dc
ld (&6735),hl;espacio
ld hl,&7fff
ld (&6760),hl;pasar pagina

For me that's the good one. But I really think this speed should be the only one. @RockRiver , what do you think? It's so smooth like this, the text is at last nice to read  8)

Quote from: mahlemiut on 21:48, 22 January 23

Quote from: TotO on 12:46, 22 January 23Nobody own a two buttons controller in 1987 on CPC. It was a bug.

I had a friend that had an Amstrad JY-1, that had two independent fire buttons, and I'm fairly that was around 1987 (or even earlier).

Sorry, but no :D . JY-1 had only 1 button. JY-2 had two buttons but cloned. I modified for my personal use two JY2 to offer them independant buttons and I even needed to replace the cables that only contain 8 wires to add the second button using 9 wire cables. But maybe your friend made the modification on a JY-2, nothing's impossible. Nevertheless, counting on 2 button joysticks in 1987 would have been a nonsense, particularly when your game just need 1 button to work. It's a bug due to a little mistake in an address ;)

SVI QuickShot II Turbo finally had 2 fires for CPC

https://www.retrocastaway.com/retro-gaming/classic-joysticks-the-quickshot-2-turbo/

85??? I think I saw it in Spain around 87-88-89 ???

Quote from: RockRiver on 22:58, 22 January 23SVI QuickShot II Turbo finally had 2 fires for CPC

https://www.retrocastaway.com/retro-gaming/classic-joysticks-the-quickshot-2-turbo/

85??? I think I saw it in Spain around 87-88-89 ???

Second button do the same on CPC, with just an autofire feature. Lot of joysticks had 2, 3 or more buttons doing the same action. More seriously, appart from this off topic discussion, what do you think about the idea of the new speed as default on parchment ?

If we put it the default but left the normal pressing right?

Quote from: dragon on 00:28, 23 January 23If we put it the default but left the normal pressing right?

Good idea, fast text by default, but remaining possible to switch to original speed. In that case, if possible, it would be interesting to use 'fire 2' to switch slow/fast rather than 'right/left'  ;)

"Hard" weekend , sorry!!

https://youtu.be/Yjyj8qnqkYI

OK serious week with working days... going to check Abbey 

OKserious week with working days

I said to you...
Thanks to @dragon and homebrew ; a physical version will come home

https://twitter.com/duroweek/status/1443149724270440456?s=20&t=gUVvIGqGgBOPVbCf_cXtPA

Ok I love the  "brownie" palette...
(but for my blues days,
would be a "rainy day" palette with blue floor? .
Sorry Dragon and mates... my blue madness, u know :P
A little rockriver's *.cpr mod , then double work for anakintf repros. I will order a sunny day cartridge ; and a rainy day cartridge... ha ha)

Returning to topic discussion, the new "pergamine" speed improve the work to another step 👍

@dragon : my payment to you in whisky is increasing... and a physical repro to you, indeed !!!

Quote from: RockRiver on 11:37, 23 January 23Ok I love the  "brownie" palette...
(but for my blues days,
would be a "rainy day" palette with blue floor .
Sorry Dragon and mates... my blue madness, u know :P
A little rockriver's *.cpr mod , then double work for anakintf repros. I will order a sunny day cartridge and a rainy day cartridge...)

Returning to topic discussion, the new "pergamine" speed improve the work to another step 👍

@dragon, I think it would be perfect to end the last modifications awaited in the game (parchment speed by default and Fire 2). After that of course, you'll be free to see if you want to make personalized CPRs appart from the "official" one  ;)

Quote from: iXien on 06:53, 23 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 00:28, 23 January 23If we put it the default but left the normal pressing right?

Good idea, fast text by default, but remaining possible to switch to original speed. In that case, if possible, it would be interesting to use 'fire 2' to switch slow/fast rather than 'right/left'  ;)

Button 1 was  used to bypass It ...
I can't use the same button. Doing that cause the keynoard buffer don't  empty and It don't worrk.

Of course i can change paletetes and these things.

Quote from: dragon on 12:40, 23 January 23

Quote from: iXien on 06:53, 23 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 00:28, 23 January 23If we put it the default but left the normal pressing right?

Good idea, fast text by default, but remaining possible to switch to original speed. In that case, if possible, it would be interesting to use 'fire 2' to switch slow/fast rather than 'right/left'  ;)

Button 1 was  used to bypass It ...
I can't use the same button. Doing that cause the keynoard buffer don't  empty and It don't worrk.

Of course i can change paletetes and these things.

Yes, button 1 is already used. But the idea is that Fire 2 has the two functions : one press, slowdown, second press, accelerate, etc...

But that don`t work. I mean.

Thats the code.

.salto7
;para acelerar o desalerar el pergamino 1
;aqui llega c
push af
push ix
push hl
push de

ld a,&4b
call &60dc
;cp  &4b;si pulsamos derecha aceleramos el pergamino
jr z,siguiente
;ld hl,&0001;mas rapido escribiendo letras
ld hl,&0190 ;50%speed
ld (&66e8),hl;letras normales
ld hl,&7530
ld (&6745),hl;retorno carro
ld hl,&05dc
ld (&6735),hl;espacio
ld hl,&7fff
ld (&6760),hl;pasar pagina
jr melargo
.siguiente
ld a,&4a
call &60dc
jr z,melargo
ld hl,&0320
ld de,&ea60
ld (&66e8),hl
ld (&6745),de
ld hl,&0bb8
ld de,&0000
ld (&6735),hl
ld (&6760),de
.melargo
pop de
pop hl
pop ix
pop af
ld  a,(ix+#00)
ret

if you used the same button and you change the code to do it with one button.


You press The button and the code recieves 4b.
And the game made a loop and when it arrives they continue send a "4b" sometime so it takes it as varius pressed.And it acelerate desacelerate alone and don't work.

i maybe take a look if i can revover q and r to the keyboard.

Quote from: dragon on 16:43, 23 January 23But that don`t work. I mean.

Thats the code.

.salto7
;para acelerar o desalerar el pergamino 1
;aqui llega c
push af
push ix
push hl
push de

ld a,&4b
call &60dc
;cp  &4b;si pulsamos derecha aceleramos el pergamino
jr z,siguiente
;ld hl,&0001;mas rapido escribiendo letras
ld hl,&0190 ;50%speed
ld (&66e8),hl;letras normales
ld hl,&7530
ld (&6745),hl;retorno carro
ld hl,&05dc
ld (&6735),hl;espacio
ld hl,&7fff
ld (&6760),hl;pasar pagina
jr melargo
.siguiente
ld a,&4a
call &60dc
jr z,melargo
ld hl,&0320
ld de,&ea60
ld (&66e8),hl
ld (&6745),de
ld hl,&0bb8
ld de,&0000
ld (&6735),hl
ld (&6760),de
.melargo
pop de
pop hl
pop ix
pop af
ld  a,(ix+#00)
ret

if you used the same button and you change the code to do it with one button.


You press The button and the code recieves 4b.
And the game made a loop and when it arrives they continue send a "4b" sometime so it takes it as varius pressed.And it acelerate desacelerate alone and don't work.

i maybe take a look if i can revover q and r to the keyboard.

Oh, ok now I understand. No problem, it's perfect like this.

A very last thing, really a detail and I think it's easy. As I previously asked you, in the English translation they let S:N to select if you want to sleep or not. Now that the keys don't correspond anymore to the action, can you replace it by Y:N . It's the same number of characters and at least it will correspond to a "Yes" or "No" question. Can you do that in an ultimate 3.3 version ?  :P  

Quote from: iXien on 22:10, 22 January 23

Quote from: mahlemiut on 21:48, 22 January 23

Quote from: TotO on 12:46, 22 January 23Nobody own a two buttons controller in 1987 on CPC. It was a bug.

I had a friend that had an Amstrad JY-1, that had two independent fire buttons, and I'm fairly that was around 1987 (or even earlier).

Sorry, but no :D . JY-1 had only 1 button. JY-2 had two buttons but cloned. I modified for my personal use two JY2 to offer them independant buttons and I even needed to replace the cables that only contain 8 wires to add the second button using 9 wire cables. But maybe your friend made the modification on a JY-2, nothing's impossible. Nevertheless, counting on 2 button joysticks in 1987 would have been a nonsense, particularly when your game just need 1 button to work. It's a bug due to a little mistake in an address ;)

Could have been a JY-2 then, I definitely remember the two independent fire buttons. I highly doubt it was modified.  (and maybe I have old man memory ;) )

Quote from: mahlemiut on 21:48, 23 January 23

Quote from: iXien on 22:10, 22 January 23

Quote from: mahlemiut on 21:48, 22 January 23

Quote from: TotO on 12:46, 22 January 23Nobody own a two buttons controller in 1987 on CPC. It was a bug.

I had a friend that had an Amstrad JY-1, that had two independent fire buttons, and I'm fairly that was around 1987 (or even earlier).

Sorry, but no :D . JY-1 had only 1 button. JY-2 had two buttons but cloned. I modified for my personal use two JY2 to offer them independant buttons and I even needed to replace the cables that only contain 8 wires to add the second button using 9 wire cables. But maybe your friend made the modification on a JY-2, nothing's impossible. Nevertheless, counting on 2 button joysticks in 1987 would have been a nonsense, particularly when your game just need 1 button to work. It's a bug due to a little mistake in an address ;)

Could have been a JY-2 then, I definitely remember the two independent fire buttons. I highly doubt it was modified.  (and maybe I have old man memory ;) )

No matter ;)

3.2 text patchement in button 2 and y:n english patched.

Test it well,as winape gets crazy yesterday with freezes.he solved after closed it and open.Just to be sure was the emulator.

I maybe try reenable the keys robbed to the keyboard,

uh error don't is 3.2 thats old  its 3.3 :doh:

Quote from: dragon on 13:54, 24 January 233.2 text patchement in button 2 and y:n english patched.

Well done, so smooth  8)

Quote from: dragon on 13:54, 24 January 23I maybe try reenable the keys robbed to the keyboard

If you mean reactivate controls that would permit to load/save and play using keyboard for standard CPC users, it would be nice, why not. But you changed lot of things in the load/save system compared to the original game isn't it?

Quote from: dragon on 15:29, 24 January 23uh error don't is 3.2 thats old  its 3.3 :doh:

That's things that can happen when guys ask you for multiple modifications in short time  :P

ohh its an authencic gibberish

As is made to work with nocart(1.9) i have occupied rom pages from &96 to &9f. (well 1 get free when i take out the loading scrren to convimg),

&96=128k tiles(&80-&FF)
&97=128k tiles (&00-&0a and 0b 7f)

pages 98 to &9B have "the patches"

98=0000-3fff 99=4000-7fff 9a=8000-&bfff=9b &c000-&FFFF

So, when i made a patch i compile it in her place. And then the loader located in &a0a0  read the four pages and moved the patches to the ram. (thats mean the gx4000 is patching the 64k version at fly! every time).

9c=have the final pergamine in spanish(that is broken and don't load in the 64k crack)+ the parth for speed
9d=have the toto or fano(i don't remember now), fdd code(except the varibles that are in ram) with the  code of the plus registers.
9e=have the english load image(in the old days when they don't load in the begining),
9f=the pergamine end in english+patch of the speed.

The loader of &a0a0 have 978 lines of code.(many commented due to constantly changes).
The asm that compile the patches for 98/9B that incluide patches to the graphics,interrupt subrutine,graphics subrutine,load save  code,snapshots ,map conexions 128k,alture map 128k english and so. 3390 lines of code.
another asm with room grafics  and cartridge loader 1178 code lines.

Apart of that the basic code.That i don't know now the exact number of lines,

8)

You seem to plan to continue updating the patch for a while. in the next release, can you make another little adjustment in the English version, please?

Directly from the beginning, we can read 'NONES' when there is no religious event in progress. But i'ts a mistake. the right word is 'NONE'. Even the instruction manual provided with the English version confirms the word 'NONE' : "When you first arrive, the clock starts at "Day 1, None". You have seven days to complete your investigation."

Can you fix it? We continuously see this mistake during the game and it's really irritating  :P 

Sure,well not sure if much updates to as you said incorporate keyboard can be very confusing.

Maybe is best compile it with keyboard on demand?.


i can change nona, and we  can test with two keys in the mirror if you want. And apart of bugs if any don't mucho to do.

I have dedicated some week to this, where my inital aproach was only make work the 128k :D.

Quote from: dragon on 21:55, 24 January 23Sure,well not sure if much updates to as you said incorporate keyboard can be very confusing.

Maybe is best compile it with keyboard on demand?.

if you have to take the risk of breaking something, you might as well stop there  ;)

Quote from: dragon on 21:55, 24 January 23can change nona, and we  can test with two keys in the mirror if you want. And apart of bugs if any don't mucho to do.

Beware, I'm not talking about 'NONA' in Spanish, it's perfect like this. I'm talking about 'NONES' in English that needs to be changed to 'NONE'.

After that, if you reached the end and want to make me the happiest man of the world, I permit me to ask you once again if  you can create just two more CPR files in addition to the already existing ones. Two CPR for direct launch of the game with Plus features, one in Spanish, the other in English. I know you're not really fond of the idea, but it would be really nice for those who might want to run the game as standalone on a cartridge. Please, say yes 8)

I don't have any problem in make all custom version you want,updates never stop,we only stop because we found the game have all we want(you don´tt have more suggestion right?). just make sure all are aviable.

As i said i can made a version with full keyboard instead joystick  or something you want on demand.

Quote from: dragon on 22:15, 24 January 23I don't have any problem in make all custom version you want,updates never stop,we only stop because we found the game have all we want(you don´tt have more suggestion right?). just make sure all are aviable.

As i said i can made a version with full keyboard instead joystick  or something you want on demand.

For my part, no more requests. Let's go !  8)

ok so 3.4 to test, i fixed nones,And now mirrror room open with now 2+right.

I have included a dsk(newdsk2) with saves to test test the mirror, if you prefer 2 alone please tell me. I don't have changed the text in latin of qr(change by that?).

Also includes cartridges alone. 

Quote from: dragon on 01:04, 25 January 23ok so 3.4 to test, i fixed nones,And now mirrror room open with now 2+right.

I have included a dsk(newdsk2) with saves to test test the mirror, if you prefer 2 alone please tell me. I don't have changed the text in latin of qr(change by that?).
Also includes cartridges alone.

So you made new changes about this question of mirror room :laugh: . The question is less the button or the key combination than how you discover it in the game.

I mean, imagine I never played the game and I didn't look at your manual. Now I play the game seriously, will I discover in this version during my investigations which button combination to use just like the original game shows me Q and R keys to press originally?

If a text in the game give me this information, then indeed it is interesting to propose a combination of buttons which will avoid being able to cross this room at any time until the game give us this clue (J1RT+J1B2).
But if you don't find how to give this information changing the ingame text, we'll keep the need to indicate this information in the manual and in this case, it's better to use a simple button (J1B2).

What do you think?

PS: I advice you not to make new separate CPR files until this new important gameplay element you decide to discuss is definitly stated

mmmm jaja sorry misunderstantidng the mirrror room question. :picard2:

The q and r comes from the word "quator" the first and the last letter.

from the text

SECRETUM FINIS AFRICAE, MANUS SUPRA AAA IDOLUM AGE PRIMUM ET
;  SEPTIMUM DE QUATUOR(Latin)

So if you changue the word quator the big cuestion is what put there?.

Or left that here as is and used the button 2. :laugh:

Quote from: dragon on 01:52, 25 January 23mmmm jaja sorry misunderstantidng the mirrror room question. :picard2:

The q and r comes from the word "quator" the first and the last letter.

from the text

SECRETUM FINIS AFRICAE, MANUS SUPRA AAA IDOLUM AGE PRIMUM ET
;  SEPTIMUM DE QUATUOR(Latin)

So if you changue the word quator the big cuestion is what put there?.

Or left that here as is and used the button 2. :laugh:

So currently, in this version, the player is stuck in the mirror room because he cannot use the clue of the Latin sentence ('PRIMUM ET SEPTIMUM DE QUATUOR' = the first and the seventh of QuatuoR). And nothing indicates him what to do instead of pressing the Q and R keys  :'(

We are facing the problem I feared from the beginning. The original sentence is SECRETUM FINIS AFRICAE, MANUS SUPRA AAA IDOLUM AGE PRIMUM ET SEPTIMUM DE QUATUOR. It won't be very smart but I advice you to replace it by :

Spanish version : PRESIONA DERECHA Y EL BOTON 1 DE FRENTE AL ESPEJO PARA ABRIR TU CAMINO
English version : PRESS RIGHT AND BUTTON 1 FACING THE MIRROR IN THE LIBRARY TO OPEN YOUR PATH

Thes sentences use less characters, it's easy to make the replacement. What do you think?

PS : I indicate button 1 because if I remember well you inverted the buttons and now button 2 opens the load/save system. Take care not to make a mistake :picard: .

@dragon , I was tired and made a mistake :picard: . The mirror isn't in the library so here are the definitive text that most closely matches the original latine sentence length (80 characters) :

Spanish version : PRESIONA DERECHA Y EL BOTON 1 DE FRENTE AL ESPEJO PARA ABRIR TU CAMINO
English version : PRESS RIGHT AND BUTTON 1 FACING THE MIRROR TO OPEN YOUR PATH TO KNOWLEDGE

Try to keep the text as an enigma... Something like:
- "follow your right way and your action will be its reflect"
- "follow the right way and the action to face your reflection"
- "keep your action on the right way of your reflection"

The text was formed by words exactly.

https://github.com/Nicholas-Campbell/TheAbbeyOfCrime/blob/master/asm/game_text_en.asm

Words represents by numbers thats represent Word from the dictionaty.


Maybe 2974332 ?

SECRETUM FINIS AFRICAE, MANUS SUPRA AAA IDOLUM AGE PRIMUM ET SEPTIMUM DE  2974332 laugh:

Quote from: dragon on 01:52, 25 January 23mmmm jaja sorry misunderstantidng the mirrror room question. :picard2:

The q and r comes from the word "quator" the first and the last letter.

from the text

SECRETUM FINIS AFRICAE, MANUS SUPRA AAA IDOLUM AGE PRIMUM ET
;  SEPTIMUM DE QUATUOR(Latin)

So if you changue the word quator the big cuestion is what put there?.

Or left that here as is and used the button 2. :laugh:

Yes for me left+button2 : the extrems of the word=the extrems of the controls
QUATOUR
QAOPAB primum and sextum :o
Q(Left)AOPAB(buttonB)

But original  Abadia not OPQA controls... cursors !!!
Then ... "control" translate... google translator gives me in latin CONTROL=IMPERIUM  cool!!!

"manejo""handling"= INCESSUS or CONTRECTATIO ha ha ha

Okay @dragon , seriously, I think the second proposal from @TotO is very interesting :

English : FOLLOW THE RIGHT WAY AND THE ACTION TO FACE YOUR REFLECTION
Spanish : SIGUE TU CAMINO HACIA LA DERECHA Y LA ACCIÓN PARA ENFRENTAR TU REFLEJO

with this sentence, we give a interesting clue to the player that will search what to do with his joypad  ;)

Quote from: iXien on 12:57, 25 January 23with this sentence, we give a interesting clue to the player that will search what to do with his joypad

I agree.

I like maintain the Q+R too. If there is space/memory cause old users/players .
Or computer players...

And pad too , understand me

"Right" is not confuse??? There is a Left or Center option... but would be a good trap

(https://i.postimg.cc/dLNXRSnJ/20230125-134146.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dLNXRSnJ)

@RockRiver There is not keyboard key on the gamepad.
Sure, "right" is confusing, that is the goal of an enigma. :-\

You need to read the manuscrip in latine to see XXI XIX or IXX latin numbers... and to find the door

Two enigmas... to find the door (left/center/right) at mirror and press the right letters/pad buttons

Menendez was a "crack" brain

Quote from: iXien on 21:48, 24 January 23You seem to plan to continue updating the patch for a while. in the next release, can you make another little adjustment in the English version, please?

Directly from the beginning, we can read 'NONES' when there is no religious event in progress. But i'ts a mistake. the right word is 'NONE'. Even the instruction manual provided with the English version confirms the word 'NONE' : "When you first arrive, the clock starts at "Day 1, None". You have seven days to complete your investigation."

Can you fix it? We continuously see this mistake during the game and it's really irritating  :P

The use of 'NONES' is intentional. The text at the bottom left of the screen represents the canonical hour of the day as used by some Christian denominations. The canonical hours used in the game are:

• Night
• Prime (first hour of daylight)
• Terce (third hour)
• Sext (noon)
• Nones (ninth hour)
• Vespers (evening)
• Compline (end of the day)

Wikipedia has an article on canonical hours (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_hours) that refers to 'nones' - although the Latin equivalent is 'none'.

Imho:
* maintain latin text cause IXX , XIX, XXI
* keep Q+R on keyboard too
* on pad: your choose : press a button or combination. For me the first and last on pad is left+2 but all it's Ok

what do you think at this point? @dragon @Nich @iXien @TotO  other CPCers , players???
@CyrilAmstrad you like the CPC+ version ? It's veeery nice nowadays

Good game to add to gx4000.net :)

Good work and times with that mates.
You make me see the film another time and I'll go to buy the novel

Quote from: dragon on 11:24, 25 January 23The text was formed by words exactly.

https://github.com/Nicholas-Campbell/TheAbbeyOfCrime/blob/master/asm/game_text_en.asm
Words represents by numbers thats represent Word from the dictionaty.

Ok, so the challenge is to replace :

SECRETUM FINIS AFRICAE, MANUS SUPRA AAA IDOLUM AGE PRIMUM ET SEPTIMUM DE QUATUOR
db 0,249,1,2,3,254,4,5,6,7,8,9,249,1,10,11,249,1,12,13,255

But maybe you can change the message on the fly in RAM without using this standard 'lexical' ? I suppose that's how they made in the English translation?

To be true, I don't see the reson to change the way to play on the keyboard. As I don't see the reason to support the save on the controller, because it is not possible to do them on a GX4000 and require to be close to the computer to record on the tape/floppy.

About the last action into the game, it is not possible to do it when you play with a controller. That is the reason I offered to use an enigm related to that usage, thinking that is possible to replace the existing keywords with the words used into the new sentence.

But now with Plus2CPC  you can play with CPR/cartridge on CPC classic ... that's a good reason

Quote from: RockRiver on 15:14, 25 January 23But now with Plus2CPC  you can play with CPR/cartridge on CPC classic ... that's a good reason

It is the same as playing on an Amstrad Plus. You can use the keyboard or a joystick. You have no way to finish the game without using the keyboard. The first idea was to play on GX4000, no?

The first idea of @dragon is to make this game worrking with a 2 button joypad.

Anyway, if you have a standard CPC, you can easily play the original floppy disc version. And if you have an Amstrad Plus to take part of the Plus features of this patched version, you have a 2 button joypad. No problem. 

I suggest to change these damn sentences and consider that the game is fully playable using a joypad on any Amstrad CPC without having to touch the keyboard anymore = MISSION COMPLETE

Quote from: RockRiver on 15:14, 25 January 23But now with Plus2CPC  you can play with CPR/cartridge on CPC classic ... that's a good reason

No interest to play this patched version of La Abadia Del Crimen on a standard CPC just because of the cartridge format. GOTEK is perfect to quickly load standard CPC games.

For me this version is mainly destined to the GX4000 (and I suppose that's why @dragon originally announced his patch on the GX4000 game conversion topic)

We have a game that runs with 64K offering all the stuff of the 128k version, fully playable on joypad and offering Plus colours and title screen. Perfect for GX4000 and compatible with 464/6128Plus, what is a nice side effect. For the rest, original release on floppy disk is perfect even nowadays with its keyboard controls.

Quote from: Nich on 14:04, 25 January 23

Quote from: iXien on 21:48, 24 January 23You seem to plan to continue updating the patch for a while. in the next release, can you make another little adjustment in the English version, please?

Directly from the beginning, we can read 'NONES' when there is no religious event in progress. But i'ts a mistake. the right word is 'NONE'. Even the instruction manual provided with the English version confirms the word 'NONE' : "When you first arrive, the clock starts at "Day 1, None". You have seven days to complete your investigation."

Can you fix it? We continuously see this mistake during the game and it's really irritating  :P

The use of 'NONES' is intentional. The text at the bottom left of the screen represents the canonical hour of the day as used by some Christian denominations. The canonical hours used in the game are:

• Night
• Prime (first hour of daylight)
• Terce (third hour)
• Sext (noon)
• Nones (ninth hour)
• Vespers (evening)
• Compline (end of the day)

Wikipedia has an article on canonical hours (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_hours) that refers to 'nones' - although the Latin equivalent is 'none'.

Damned, I refered to a French canonical table of hours : matines, laudes, prime, tierce, sexte, none, vêpres, complies  :doh: (So that's in the English translation instruction manual they made the mistake)

May be one more mistake into the instruction manual. Nich looks to said it was intentional (or I have not understood). ;D

Quote from: TotO on 15:54, 25 January 23May be one more mistake into the instruction manual. Nich looks to said it was intentional (or I have not understood). ;D

It's not a mistake in the original instruction manual that doesn't give the detail of the canonical hours. It's a mistake in the text file that accompanies the unofficial English version.

Quote from: RockRiver on 13:54, 25 January 23You need to read the manuscrip in latine to see XXI XIX or IXX latin numbers... and to find the door

Ok, understood  ;)

Who what mess.

o.k i may try explain the (actual)esact situation.

As i said i have one loader at &a0a0 That basically moves/apply the patches to the game.It enter in and out from the hacker loader several times(six or seven),because in the old days it load to the loads creeen,  put black screen load pergamines patch english and so all things pre-game.He open a cartridge rom and moves the patch to the ram.

This loader have a "top" of amsdos memory that begin at &A6FC,because the game was load from disk using the firmware.;Maybe can be put more down,but depends of what the original downloader eraser. As he is loaded  at the begining at basic code.

After the game was loaded and patched.The hackers loader move things up/down and the loader was destroyed.

One of these zones that the the loader patch was the "old" zone that store the 64k rooms data. that begin around &6c20 and have a top of 6a99. That is the mirror room,because the mirror room can't be put in the cartridge due the game modifiy the alture of the mirror ingame as open/close. (And the rom in the cartrige is read only).

These zone store all controls load,save,save code,the two snapshotsloader,load final pergamine.every snaphost occuped &05dc.

Thats means 7a99-05dc-05dc=6ee1.(and now was in 6ee1). :D

To add the keboard support we need two things

The first patch the game subrutine where the comparation was made.(that should do the a0a0 zone). So patch it to jump to your code zone.Where you extend the subrutine taking a look if the keyboards was pressed an return it to normal code).

And moving these code previusly with a0a0 into the code game.

1.&6c20 zone was full maybe there is some free after mirrror room(the &073 rom).Or the sprites zone. but i don't have cheked it.


-In the other side aparently the hacker store some fdd load code at &0040 that it maybe don't use.So Maybe its possible put here code writing it with a0a0 to fxxx(and let the hacker loader moving it to (0040) to use it to expand the keyboard.

-The another zone "aparently free", And i have used it in the past to store the inks of plus of the basic loader was just when the words end. So maybe some words can be add or not. so de message have to acoplish of the word/pharse  rules.

-Using the cartidge store "ingame" its best try to avoid it why? Because the interrupt subrutine can jump when you are using the cartridge,the game is using it to the music and display letters. So if you have loaded a page of the cartridge, the subrutine jumps, it try read the display to made scroll letters,and it found your rom->catacrack, there is also a interrupt subrutine desviation to unmount the cartridge if this happend.Desviation to the &6c20 zone...That is full. And you can't do disable interruption,because this cause the  music catracrak.Due to longer times. ;D  (it only look actually four pages the tiles pages).

Even if patch at fly, it patch the code.But the game is executed with her own rules to the words,You can change a word, but only if that is not used in another phrase. And actually only the english version was patched.The spanish version text i'nt patched in anyway actually.


As i really dobut all of this can fit in &a0a0.(to much ld hl,ld de, ld bc ,ldir).Maybe i can try jump into the free cartridge rom(old english screen). And copy from there And we'll see if it works or not.

Quote from: dragon on 18:33, 25 January 23To add the keboard support we need two things

Forget it, keyboard isn't needed as you decided to make the game fully playable on joypad on GX4000/Plus (remember that 2 button joypad is the standard controller on these systems). If someone want to play using the keyboard, the original game on DSK do it very well. Don't waste your time.

Quote from: dragon on 18:33, 25 January 23Even if patch at fly, it patch the code.But the game is executed with her own rules to the words,You can change a word, but only if that is not used in another phrase. And actually only the english version was patched.The spanish version text i'nt patched in anyway actually.
 
As i really dobut all of this can fit in &a0a0.(to much ld hl,ld de, ld bc ,ldir).Maybe i can try jump into the free cartridge rom(old english screen). And copy from there And we'll see if it works or not.

Ok, so the English version has been patched, it's a good start. Maybe you can patch the Spanish version like the English one? Or maybe the last trick you talk about will work.

As I understand, the other difficulty is to maintain a random information system. In the original Latin sentence, AAA is randomly replaced by XXI, XIX or IXX. This Roman number tells you on which of the 3 steps to position yourself in front of the mirror before pressing the unlocking keys. For example, XIX tells you to position Guillermo de Baskerville on the central step.

This means that our enigma must retain this AAA system to give the right information to the player :

English : ON AAA, FOLLOW THE RIGHT WAY AND THE ACTION TO FACE YOUR REFLECTION
Spanish : EN AAA, SIGUE TU CAMINO HACIA LA DERECHA Y LA ACCION PARA ENFRENTAR TU REFLEJO

just take winape and put a breakpoint in &0200

Then copy the  asm in winape the  assember(assembler menu->show assembler) code of nich page i put early.


https://github.com/Nicholas-Campbell/TheAbbeyOfCrime/blob/master/asm/game_text_en.asm

change the words and made in winape assemble-->assemble.

An do at play.If all its done o.k the text should be reemplaced.Or the game broke in unkown ways. :D
                                           
; Message 0 - SECRETUM FINIS AFRICAE, MANUS SUPRA AAA IDOLUM AGE PRIMUM ET
;  SEPTIMUM DE QUATUOR 13->words compose of 21 words.
db 0,249,1,2,3,254,4,5,6,7,8,9,249,1,10,11,249,1,12,13,255->21 words
     ON AAA, FOLLOW THE RIGHT WAY AND THE ACTION TO FACE YOUR REFLECTION-> 13words

Sorry @dragon but you take me for someone I'm not  :P

I don't know exactly how to do this. Maybe you can make a sna ?

3.5 changed the final text.

i think i have discover how change the s:n text

org #4bd4 ;CADENA DE PALABRAS
JP &0040
ORG &0040
call #4b44
DB 'HOLA QUE TAL' ;text sn
DB #FF
;ld d,e
;ld a,(#ff4e)
pop ix
ret

.ANTERIOR
CALL &4B44  ;PALABRAS INTERMITENTES(intermitent wordds)
DB #20,20,#20 (&each space one intermitent character).
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #FF
POP IX
RET


org #4bca
;call #4b44
JP ANTERIOR


ORG &4BBD
;LD HL,&A41D
LD HL,&A415 ;text sn localitation


result:

Quote from: dragon on 14:33, 27 January 233.5 changed the final text.

Well done ! You manage to insert the sentences in the two languages? 

And you confirm that we activate the open of the mirror door with RIGHT + BUTTON 1 now (your text in the changelog for the version 3.4 indicates RIGHT+ BUTTON 2) ?

Quote from: dragon on 16:39, 27 January 23i think i have discover how change the s:n text

org #4bd4 ;CADENA DE PALABRAS
JP &0040
ORG &0040
call #4b44
DB 'HOLA QUE TAL' ;text sn
DB #FF
;ld d,e
;ld a,(#ff4e)
pop ix
ret

.ANTERIOR
CALL &4B44  ;PALABRAS INTERMITENTES(intermitent wordds)
DB #20,20,#20 (&each space one intermitent character).
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #FF
POP IX
RET


org #4bca
;call #4b44
JP ANTERIOR


ORG &4BBD
;LD HL,&A41D
LD HL,&A415 ;text sn localitation


result:

Yes, it seems to work ! Nice  ;)

For remember:  S:N replaced by SI(DER):NO(F1) and Y:N by YES(RT):NO(F1)

Quote from: iXien on 00:44, 28 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 14:33, 27 January 233.5 changed the final text.

Well done ! You manage to insert the sentences in the two languages?

And you confirm that we activate the open of the mirror door with RIGHT + BUTTON 1 now (your text in the changelog for the version 3.4 indicates RIGHT+ BUTTON 2) ?

Yes was a miistake atake was in button 1 in 3.4  

Yes i have change It in the two langujes i create a new Word in spanish and reuse Word 0 to 13 in english. I Hope that any other  phrases don,t  use a Word below 14.

Quote from: iXien on 01:21, 28 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 16:39, 27 January 23i think i have discover how change the s:n text

org #4bd4 ;CADENA DE PALABRAS
JP &0040
ORG &0040
call #4b44
DB 'HOLA QUE TAL' ;text sn
DB #FF
;ld d,e
;ld a,(#ff4e)
pop ix
ret

.ANTERIOR
CALL &4B44  ;PALABRAS INTERMITENTES(intermitent wordds)
DB #20,20,#20 (&each space one intermitent character).
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #20,20,#20
DB #FF
POP IX
RET


org #4bca
;call #4b44
JP ANTERIOR


ORG &4BBD
;LD HL,&A41D
LD HL,&A415 ;text sn localitation


result:

Yes, it seems to work ! Nice  ;)

For remember:  S:N replaced by SI(DER):NO(F1) and Y:N by YES(RT):NO(F1)

Unfortunly he don't reconize the ().  they ignore It..so made another sentence.without It.

Hi @dragon, it's been a while since the last post. Is something cooking to end the patch of the game  ;) ?

Sorry i  haven't have time to patch It this weekend end.

Just me made another things.Ayway have you thinked a phrase wiouth the ()?.

3.6 changed night text.

Quote from: dragon on 20:34, 31 January 233.6 changed night text.

Finally, what have you decided to change in the night lines? For me, just remove the quotes was perfect with so few characters.

Now only remain to change the enigmas in each language or was it already done in 3.5? I don't remember ;)

Quote from: dragon on 14:54, 31 January 23orry i  haven't have time to patch It this weekend end.

Real life is always more important of course  ;)

Quote from: iXien on 21:22, 31 January 23

Quote from: dragon on 20:34, 31 January 233.6 changed night text.

Finally, what have you decided to change in the night lines? For me, just remove the quotes was perfect with so few characters.

Now only remain to change the enigmas in each language or was it already done in 3.5? I don't remember ;)

Quote from: dragon on 14:54, 31 January 23orry i  haven't have time to patch It this weekend end.

Real life is always more important of course  ;)

Something like right yes:F1 not. That was the maximun characters lenght. And are equal in lenght in spanish and english.

The enigmas was changed in 3.5

But F1 would be Funtion1 besides Fire1... forget me  ;) sorry

Quote from: RockRiver on 14:19, 01 February 23But F1 would be Funtion1 besides Fire1... forget me  ;) sorry

Yeah, and F1 is also a racing car. What the hell does it do in a medieval game :P ?

:o ;D :laugh:

The dsk new dsk. Have saves from another versión at the finish of the Game , so you can load It and (slots 0-3) and check the manuscript change.

Just drop It in the mirror room. And take It with the glasses and the new text appears.

Quote from: dragon on 17:12, 01 February 23The dsk new dsk. Have saves from another versión at the finish of the Game , so you can load It and (slots 0-3) and check the manuscript change.

Just drop It in the mirror room. And take It with the glasses and the new text appears.

At last, I have time to test. Sorry for the delay. And we have a champion !!!  :P

It perfectly works, @dragon. With this 3.6 version, it seems that we have a final version, fully playable on GX4000  8)

Perfect. Any caratule for the box?

Quote from: dragon on 02:26, 05 February 23Perfect. Any caratule for the box?

I needed some time to understand your message :P

Personally, I think that a standard visual of 'La Abadia Del Crimen' would be perfect with just the information that's a cartridge in the box. The problem with GX4000 boxes and carts is that they are so awful, nobody really wants to create new ones. After that, anyone can do his own visual and box, I suppose  ;)

I let you announce that your definitive patched version is now available? If you're ok, as I already prepared a RAR archive containing all the CPR with new PDFs (Es/En) in which I removed the mirror room informations, I can provide it for everyone ?  8)

https://twitter.com/duroweek/status/1443149724270440456?s=20&t=RSnC475QF8apuzaDeVjWPQ

by @AnakinTF

No answer yet

Maybe if more people interested in physical release he notice

No answer about what?
Anyway, it is illegal to sell games copy.

Not sure i thinking about keyboard support.

if we used joypad 2 instead joypad 1,then automatically all pad controll keys are in the keyboard. As the gamepad 2 is in the keyboard matrix.

And keybord uses can save load from keyboard without touch the save part.

Quote from: dragon on 20:46, 06 February 23Not sure i thinking about keyboard support.

if we used joypad 2 instead joypad 1,then automatically all pad controll keys are in the keyboard. As the gamepad 2 is in the keyboard matrix.

And keybord uses can save load from keyboard without touch the save part.

You made this version with pad support. If we want to play with a keyboad (seriously?), we can play with the original game offering the original save system, the original  controls, the original gameplay...

C'mon, it's a complete nonsense beginning to think how to modify a game that just been patched to be fully played using a joypad to use a keyboard, while the game was designed to be played using a keyboard  ???

ok,then finished :D

Quote from: dragon on 21:57, 06 February 23ok,then finished :D

Yeah ! This v3.6 rocks ! Definitively rocks  8)

well you can add a third manual in a txt.(for c4cpc)

Quote from: dragon on 22:04, 06 February 23well you can add a third manual in a txt.(for c4cpc)

Like this ?  8)

wonderful

Quote from: dragon on 22:52, 06 February 23wonderful

Ok, all is ready for the launch on the main GX4000 conversion topic if you're ok  ;)

Perfect.

Final version available here to amaze the world  8)

https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?msg=225609

Well done @dragon , it's imo one of the most impressive patches since the launch of the project. 

Quote from: TotO on 13:02, 06 February 23No answer about what?
Anyway, it is illegal to sell games copy.

About CPC+ palette version FOR ME.

Maybe he would make a reproduction physical as friend. Personally. No copies , no stock, no enterprise. Only few CPC users. No business.
How many people wants that nowadays? How many people wrote in this topic?

Maybe Dragon after all that Work wants a physical cartridge for him. I promised a present. That's all.

If you don't like the link I would erase it.

if you want another palette just put here the palette you want, the code numbers.

Quote from: dragon on 00:09, 07 February 23if you want another palette just put here the palette you want, the code numbers.

Thanks mate!!!!
For aaaaaaaaall your work

Are Opera Soft IPs owned somewhere ? A physical release with few units why not.

Quote from: kawickboy on 11:35, 07 February 23Are Opera Soft IPs owned somewhere ? A physical release with few units why not.

https://www.elmundodelspectrum.com/el-contrato-de-la-abadia-del-crimen/

https://youtu.be/Q9ilPiIs8yo

So a floppy english release and maybe a cart release is possible.

It could be possible... after discussing it with Juan Delcan. He is the one that gives permission or not nowadays and the one who agreed to that re-release seen in that video.