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Title: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Nich on 22:54, 27 May 17
While browsing CPC-POWER for the latest set of updates, and being reminded of this post from 2014 in another thread (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/games/jetpac-sinclair-zx-spectrum-emulator-for-amstrad-cpc-v1-0-9303/msg79526/#msg79526), I noticed that details of several unreleased games by Clockwize have been added to CPC-POWER:
No CDT or DSK files are available to download yet (and I don't know when, or if, they will become available), but the screenshots look very appealing! :)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: SyX on 01:41, 28 May 17
The games have been preserved by Dean himself and they will appear in the next CPC-Power update.


Thanks to Frank Gasking, I got in contact with Dean a few years ago and two weeks ago, he wrote me that at last he had time for preserving the CPC versions of Clockwize's games.


He is an AMAZING guy and has given his permission for making the games public available.


He told me a lot of nice stories about Clockwize/Video Images, for example, Clockwize was found when they got the contract for making the R-Type loading screen (we updated the credits in CPC-Power), and I hope that we will see in a future Retro Gamer more information about Dean and Clockwize, because after talking with him, him and his company has converted in one of my favourite CPC developers ever, hehehe.


And I love Unpredictaball with all those rasters and even a level editor in 22 KBs.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Gryzor on 13:08, 28 May 17
These all look very nostalgic and old school. Can't wait to play them, do let us know when they're up!
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Poliander on 14:59, 28 May 17
(http://www.cpc-power.com/extra_lire_fichier.php?extra=cpcold&fiche=10013&slot=1&part=A&type=.png)

Looks like Donald Trump  ;D
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Nich on 20:19, 07 June 17
These all look very nostalgic and old school. Can't wait to play them, do let us know when they're up!

All four games are now available to download from CPC-POWER.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Neil79 on 22:55, 07 June 17
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s5uLOaXVVoM/WThTqCzqkgI/AAAAAAAAh7E/QPAchBq9SH45lY3IIRNGo3NDHRx0EPKRACLcB/s640/Frogger.png)


http://www.indieretronews.com/2017/06/hot-news-as-four-unreleased-amstrad.html


Linked to the discussions and relevant websites :)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Joseman on 20:47, 10 June 17
Hi!

Seeing that almost all are on CDT:

I just made a compatible loader for mass storage devices of "Acolyte"

download it from:

ftp://amstrad@amstrad.serveftp.com/incoming/Joseman/mass%20storage%20games/Acolyte/Acolyte%20%5Bloader%20by%20Joseman%202017%5D%7Bmass%20storage%20compatible%7D.dsk (ftp://amstrad@amstrad.serveftp.com/incoming/Joseman/mass%20storage%20games/Acolyte/Acolyte%20%5Bloader%20by%20Joseman%202017%5D%7Bmass%20storage%20compatible%7D.dsk)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Gryzor on 09:44, 11 June 17
Hi!

Seeing that almost all are on CDT:

I just made a compatible loader for mass storage devices of "Acolyte"

download it from:

ftp://amstrad@amstrad.serveftp.com/incoming/Joseman/mass%20storage%20games/Acolyte/Acolyte%20%5Bloader%20by%20Joseman%202017%5D%7Bmass%20storage%20compatible%7D.dsk (ftp://amstrad@amstrad.serveftp.com/incoming/Joseman/mass%20storage%20games/Acolyte/Acolyte%20%5Bloader%20by%20Joseman%202017%5D%7Bmass%20storage%20compatible%7D.dsk)


What devices are those? 
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Joseman on 09:48, 11 June 17
M4, X-mass, symbiface...

and of course from floppy

Enviado desde mi GT-N7100 mediante Tapatalk

Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Gryzor on 09:53, 11 June 17
Haha I see. I just woke up and I read it like "an Acolyte mass storage" or something :D




Anyhow, I'm attaching it here, hope you don't mind :)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Johnny Olsen on 17:07, 11 June 17
Have just completed Ninja Grannies without cheating, so it must be an easy game, because I'm a lousy player.
Anyway funny Game.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Joseman on 22:42, 11 June 17
Haha I see. I just woke up and I read it like "an Acolyte mass storage" or something :D
Anyhow, I'm attaching it here, hope you don't mind :)

You can attach my dsk's without problem, i give you permission forever :)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Phantomz on 18:30, 19 June 17
Is " Ninja Grannies " available on disk anywhere?

I can see the other three games are available on disk from cpc-power, however " Ninja Grannies " is only available on tape.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Joseman on 19:28, 19 June 17
Is " Ninja Grannies " available on disk anywhere?

I can see the other three games are available on disk from cpc-power, however " Ninja Grannies " is only available on tape.

I would like to do the mass storage version for ninja grannies, but i don't know if i will have time this weeks...
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: 6128 on 20:10, 19 June 17
I love Ninja Grannies. A fighting game like Spitting Image with a lot of sense of humor.
The CDT version is not the best thing for a fighting game. I will thank you for that DSK.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: roudoudou on 00:05, 20 June 17
I love Ninja Grannies. A fighting game like Spitting Image with a lot of sense of humor.
The CDT version is not the best thing for a fighting game. I will thank you for that DSK.


If you win, the game stay in an infinite loop with some pics+sounds -> you have to reload the game  :-X
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: 6128 on 07:44, 20 June 17
Yes. Infinity loop at the end.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Joseman on 12:10, 20 June 17

If you win, the game stay in an infinite loop with some pics+sounds -> you have to reload the game  :-X

Yes, I ended Acolyte, it has some map location errors (i made a map, but some rooms just didn't respect the map), when you end the game, there is a little ending that loops continually and you have to reset the game to play again.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: roudoudou on 10:24, 22 June 17
Is " Ninja Grannies " available on disk anywhere?

I can see the other three games are available on disk from cpc-power, however " Ninja Grannies " is only available on tape.


Chany released a DSK version BUT it need a memory expansion to run properly (256? 512?)
http://cpcrulez.fr/GamesTest/ninja_grannies.htm#DL
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Johnny Olsen on 15:21, 22 June 17
I think 512k
You can run it, if you turn on winApe's 64+256 RAM Expansion + 256k Silicon Disc
or turn on WinApe's 4M Expansion memory.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Joseman on 16:28, 27 June 17
Good news!!!

Another game MIA of clockwize has been dumped!!:

Thankyou to @SyX (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=324) that fixed some things and the generosity of Dean Hickingbottom this game has been recovered!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4216/34932775940_204ac7d0bb.jpg)

(http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4207/35190573391_b16e13955b.jpg)

(http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4237/35320279895_333aa251c4.jpg)

Source: http://www.zonadepruebas.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=421&start=130#p75734 (http://www.zonadepruebas.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=421&start=130#p75734)

cdt: ftp://amstrad.serveftp.com/CPC/Clockwize%20Games/

(user: amstrad, pwd: amstrad)

soon on: http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&num=10014 (http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&num=10014)

Thankyou to @deepfb (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11) for warning me with the good news!!

Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: alex76gr on 17:46, 27 June 17
This is wonderful.
Thank you both SyX and Dean. ;)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Neil79 on 19:49, 27 June 17
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: MacDeath on 21:23, 27 June 17
funnily the Psygnosis style is clearly visible on this speccy-shat yet soemwhat classy mode1 (despite being 1 bit per pixels, ouch) intro picture splatch screen.


Dammit.


Nice to have a whole batch of unreleased games being released at last for the fun.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 22:23, 27 June 17
It is great to have the game but, certainly, that loading screen could have more color and a less radioactive color combination. That yellow and that purple can burn your eyes in a matter of minutes  :)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Nich on 20:59, 28 June 17
Another game MIA of clockwize has been dumped!!:

Thankyou to @SyX (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=324) that fixed some things and the generosity of Dean Hickingbottom this game has been recovered!

Nice! 8) I played it yesterday evening and it's a great little game.

The game was released for the Spectrum and C64, but not the CPC (until now). I wonder if this was because of the bugs that @SyX (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=324) has fixed?
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: deepfb on 21:26, 28 June 17
The game was released for the Spectrum and C64, but not the CPC (until now). I wonder if this was because of the bugs that @SyX (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=324) has fixed?


No, the game was fully playable when Dean sent us the .wav. But it was still possible to return to the PDS debug system by pressing the TAB key, so Syx disallowed it. AFAIK, that's the only fix we added to it.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Nich on 22:38, 28 June 17
No, the game was fully playable when Dean sent us the .wav. But it was still possible to return to the PDS debug system by pressing the TAB key, so Syx disallowed it. AFAIK, that's the only fix we added to it.
Ah, OK.

There's a note from Dean in the game's entry on World of Spectrum (http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0009320&loadpics=3):

Quote from: Dean Hickingbottom
Dean recalls: "This game was originally entitled 'Mission Icarus' and was demoed on ST/Amiga by Power House at Video Images who I think found a buyer in Psygnosis. A multi-platform conversion deal was struck with Clockwize and ZX, CBM64, PC (and an unwanted Amstrad CPC) versions were completed (the CPC, a port by Dave Bradley from the ZX was excellent!). We had to get the game text translated into the other languages required by the spec."
Given that the CPC version is of high quality, it makes it all the more mysterious as to why Psygnosis chose not to release it.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: SyX on 15:15, 29 June 17
Well Nich, it's simpler that you think, Psygnosis wanted a c64 and zx version; Clockwize thought that at the same time, they could deliver a CPC version too...

... but when they showed the 3 versions, Psygnosis said that what they really said was "we want a c64 and zx versions, and we DON'T want a CPC version"...

Yes, it was a super stupid move by Psygnosis, but they were the guys paying and Clockwize had to respect that, even if it's so difficult to understand why they would not want an extra port for a system that they had released games before and after Captain Fizz.

Because of that negative, everybody should understand that Clockwize had to stop any extra development time in Fizz CPC, because they would not get any money of this great CPC game. And that is the reason because all the loading screens, except the one for choosing language, come from zx; they were temporary screens, and if Psygnosis would have bought the CPC version those screen would be very different.

And i can tell you that Dean and me spoken about making a nice mode 0 pictures of those, but at then end we thought that it would be much better to preserve the games as they were, because after add the screens, we could fix more things and more, ... and then we will reach a point where we would have crossed the limits of preserving the original game.

Of course, now that the original release is preserved, if somebody wants to make new screens, feel free and use those in your cracks/HD installers/...

One thing, that i would love to say is that all those Clockwize games looks finished, but that is not really true, those games remain in the same state that when they were brought to possible publishers, if the publishers would have given the go on, then extra time would have been taken for polishing/improving those games.

For example, because Ninja Grannies never got a publisher (*) and new games contract came, then Clockwize never had time for improving the playability/difficulty (that trick kick :P) or adding a two players mode, ...

(*): Not getting a publisher for Ninja Grannies is another thing that i will never be able to understand, because NG is a lot better than a lot of CPC fighting games... I love that wink to "Hell's Grannies" Monty Python's sketch, hehehe.

At the end of the day, i enjoyed to help discovering/preserving those games, but i loved even more to discover about the dynamic duo, Dean and Dave, and about the story of Clockwize, one of the less known game developers from the 80.

A company that thought that the CPC was a great machine, something that you can see in those MIAs games, games with a lot of polishing and nice details that are not usual in CPC versions of games designed originally for other machines. And even after Clockwize closed, while Dean and Dave were adjusting to their new lives outside of game development, they made Frogger and Unpredictaball for CPC, even if they liked and coded for all the 8 bits machines, those guys chosen to code for the CPC in their free time.

I promise that has been a big inspiration to discover about a company that loved the CPC, so much, that maybe a few choices, that they made, were not the best for business, but when we were young, we used our heart a lot... Thanks Clockwize! Thanks Dean! ;)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: dboddie on 15:58, 29 June 17
Nice to see this game appear for the CPC after all these years. Does anyone know why the C64, ZX and CPC versions had a different title to the BBC/Electron version (http://www.everygamegoing.com/landing/items/electron/mandarin/tapes/Icarus.html) of the game?
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Carnivius on 16:14, 29 June 17
Cool games but is there a way to load CDT's really fast on Winape or other CPC emulators or do you always have to wait like it's a real cassette?
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Phantomz on 17:05, 29 June 17
Cool games but is there a way to load CDT's really fast on Winape or other CPC emulators or do you always have to wait like it's a real cassette?

Save a Snapshot in winape after the game has loaded, then just load that when you want to play it again instead of reloading the tape.  ;)

I can't convert " Ninja Grannies " to cpr, but I have converted " Acolyte ", " Frogger ", and " Unpredictaball " and remapped the controls to make them gx4000 friendly, I'll upload them later if this is ok.

Hopefully " Captain Fizz " will be released on disc and I'll look at that game too.  :)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: VincentGR on 17:16, 29 June 17
Cool games but is there a way to load CDT's really fast on Winape or other CPC emulators or do you always have to wait like it's a real cassette?


You can set the emulator to unlimited speed in General tab.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Acolyte on 22:40, 29 June 17
in reply to the question 'why were the C64, ZX and CPC versions called Fizz rather than Mission Icarus?', well that was Psygnosis who came up with that title and they were paying so who were we to argue!  Fizz was brilliantly converted by Dave from Keith's excellent ZX version.


We also did a PC version, a horrible looking CGA job - I'm sure it was released but I've no idea what happened to that one.  There may be some source code though...


Also, I'd like to point out (for the record and clarity) that a lot of the recent MIA games were not necessarily Clockwize releases (but I understand they have to be discussed together somehow - hence this thread). 


My 'Frogger' was written after Clockwize ('Deanysoft') as was 'Unpredictaball' which was completely written by Dave.  I think 'Acolyte' was started at Video Images but finished at Clockwize (Dave and I brought it with us).

[/size]I wanted to get these games backed up and out here for all to play because they're good (mostly) and worthy of release after all these years.  I didn't want them to rot away on 3" discs and finally got the time and equipment to digitise the data.  The games also represent the result of a lot of fun times (and hard times!) we all had back then nearly 30 years ago and I didn't want them lost.  I have resisted the temptation to redraw things even though some bits didn't look quite finished as I wanted them authentic - as SyX mentioned, if anyone wants to mess about with them now - feel free!
I'd like to thank SyX for his 'patient and occasional bothering' ;D

<time passes.  Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold etc...>

Ha! I Found the IBM Fizz that Keith converted from the ZX version.  I'd forgotten all about it too.  Wow it runs fast!   Now I just need an ibmwiki or equivalent to give that too...
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Nich on 20:58, 01 July 17
Hopefully " Captain Fizz " will be released on disc and I'll look at that game too.  :)
Here you go!
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: zeropolis79 on 16:47, 02 July 17
With that attitude from Psygnosis, I'm surprised we got Lemmings.. (I'm still suprised we did get it)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Joseman on 23:06, 12 July 17
Hi pals

I'm writing this to let you know that i just finished a dsk of Ninja Grannies, mass storage compatible with hardware that supports the CNG way to detect the mass storage ROM (M4).

Well I think that is compatible because it works on b drive and the roms are correctly initialized, but i can't try this version where i'm now (no cpc no party).

This version use an updated version of my firmware loader, in a way that is used on my version of UNSquadron.

It wasn't easy to do, the game has a lot of levels and a lot of uncompressed data, first problem: the data didn't fit on a single dsk---> aplib party!!

the dsk has 25 files on the final version!!

Next problem, the game load the data from 3 different location depending of the situation: level 1 from one location, level 2,3,4 from another location AND game ending from another location.

It was a real pain to patch the game to make it work on all the situations, and when the game seemed to work... another problem... the game didn't reload the first level when you die!! because the game tried to reload level 1 but in a way that contradice my own loader (that relay on a level variable) not on the pilot of the cassette, ANOTHER patch to reconduce the situation and initialice correctly the level 1 again.

As you can suspect, the game is only 128k compatible, i can't even think on how much job need to be done to make it 64k's compatible (or even if it's possible). The game scoreboard and the decoration lines are loaded as a simple screen on #C000 and NEVER redrawn, a great problem on 64k's machines, than can't use the screen data for temporal load, and even if you use this area without bother about this, there isn't virtual no space to do this, you need to save the firmware zones that are overwrited, you need to load de data, you need to load the loader, if you comprime the data, you need the decompressor, and at the end, the game will OVERWRITE the screen memory with sprites and data, sending your loader and variables to hell!!... so much data overwriting the firmware, so much patchs... I'm tired and there isn't any plans to do 64k's compatible (sorry gx4000 users).

The game itself is a great great game, as @6128 (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2230) said, very "spitting image" and at pair at least with it! I'm totally sure that this game deserved to be released and us as a kids will like it a lot!!

The problem with the game is that it can be ended with 2 fingers and nothing more... is WAAAAY easy.

I'm thinking on correct this not letting the fighter to inflict so much damage with the round kick... I'll try to do it before release the DSK, because the game degrade a little with the easiness...

i hope to give you more news soon!!!!

Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Joseman on 22:36, 13 July 17
Hi!!

As promised here is the dsk of Ninja Grannies made by me.

I spent the afternoon searching where the round kick was taking the live of the opponents, and as many other aspects of the game is made ON ANOTHER location than the other kicks!!!

All the kicks drain 1 part of the energy bar, but the round kick was draining 9 parts!!!! too much!!

i changed the value, and now the round kick of Mabel takes alot less energy of the enemy.

Howewer the round kick of the enemies still take 9 parts of Mabel ;)

Now the fighter need to change a little the tactics to win, the fights are more equal.

Hope that i didn't introduce a bug changing the value of the round kick...

and, i didn't play so much with the new patch, please tell me how hard the game is now!!

Here is the dsk: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=25429463761814444258 (http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=25429463761814444258)

Please, don't upload the dsk to any site until the game is fully tested bug/difficult.

Please test on a M4 to know if the game works in it!!

Remember that the M4 is more compatible with the files on a folder, not inside the dsk!!


Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Duke on 00:19, 14 July 17
Please test on a M4 to know if the game works in it!!

Works for me, thanks. But only from a folder as you suggested. I only got to the 2nd screen, so don't know if it did any reloading, I could have used the old round kick you mentioned :)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Puresox on 21:45, 18 July 17
Hey Hey , after being absent for a few months I return to find stuff like this ! Really stoked to see this development and have great respect for those that helped bring these releases about. Really appreciated. Great to hear the back story also. Great to hear about the MIA games. Cheers
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Puresox on 21:48, 18 July 17
in reply to the question 'why were the C64, ZX and CPC versions called Fizz rather than Mission Icarus?', well that was Psygnosis who came up with that title and they were paying so who were we to argue!  Fizz was brilliantly converted by Dave from Keith's excellent ZX version.


We also did a PC version, a horrible looking CGA job - I'm sure it was released but I've no idea what happened to that one.  There may be some source code though...


Also, I'd like to point out (for the record and clarity) that a lot of the recent MIA games were not necessarily Clockwize releases (but I understand they have to be discussed together somehow - hence this thread). 


My 'Frogger' was written after Clockwize ('Deanysoft') as was 'Unpredictaball' which was completely written by Dave.  I think 'Acolyte' was started at Video Images but finished at Clockwize (Dave and I brought it with us).

I wanted to get these games backed up and out here for all to play because they're good (mostly) and worthy of release after all these years.  I didn't want them to rot away on 3" discs and finally got the time and equipment to digitise the data.  The games also represent the result of a lot of fun times (and hard times!) we all had back then nearly 30 years ago and I didn't want them lost.  I have resisted the temptation to redraw things even though some bits didn't look quite finished as I wanted them authentic - as SyX mentioned, if anyone wants to mess about with them now - feel free!
I'd like to thank SyX for his 'patient and occasional bothering' ;D

<time passes.  Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold etc...>

Ha! I Found the IBM Fizz that Keith converted from the ZX version.  I'd forgotten all about it too.  Wow it runs fast!   Now I just need an ibmwiki or equivalent to give that too...
Have you been pestered for an interview on your 8-bit era? (I haven't read this thread fully so may well have missed pieces)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Acolyte on 23:37, 19 July 17
I have been asked, I can't say I've been pestered.  I've agreed to do one at some point, it's just fitting all these things in.  I've still got lots of CPC disks to look through yet!
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Puresox on 23:43, 19 July 17
That's good to hear, Look forward to future developments , this stuff is gold . And the stories of the behind the scenes , is dead intriguing.

Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: 6128 on 12:45, 22 July 17
Joseman, many thanks for Ninja Grannies DSK.  ;)
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Joseman on 15:58, 22 July 17
Joseman, many thanks for Ninja Grannies DSK.  ;)

Thankyou!

Remember that there is a bug in the dsk with the 464/664.

Here is the post where i explain it, anyone knows the answer?

http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/programming/strange-behaviour-between-cpc464-cpc6128/

regards

Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Nich on 23:37, 29 November 17
Here's a YouTube video from The New Retro Show which offers opinions on some of these games from Clockwize:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYJERTMfaNc

This guy has also uploaded a few other videos showcasing homebrew CPC games. He's Canadian, so it's rather interesting to see what he thinks of the CPC and its games, given that the CPC was probably pretty much unknown in Canada.
Title: Re: Unreleased games by Clockwize
Post by: Gryzor on 09:44, 30 November 17
Ooh that's interesting! Thanks!