I'd love to know what people consider the greatest VS,on the CPC. I personally don't think the best has been made yet . But would love to see a really great examples of different genres to show the sneering CPC haters ,what a capable machine it is. I have come to the conclusion that the machine is far far better than what people have always thought. And it's image has been utterly tarnished by lazy Spectrum ports(No revelation there) which can also be said for the MSX.
My personal thoughts for best vertical shmps are .
Graphically.... 1943
Scrolling/Screen Area/Sprite movement... Mission Genocide .
Now if some programming genius could combine those two and produce the greatest Vertical Shooter ever...
Is Paul Shirley the only guy that is able to pull off that scrolling? Or has anyone else ever got the gist of how it is done? Another question. Is the game size 18K? For Mission Genocide?
I always look at Mission Genocide and think we only had a small bunch of gifted guys who found the best out ,back in the 80's. If only the CPC had the Programming talent that was focused on the Spectrum . A truly different story would have been written.
Mission Genocide is no doubt the technically best. The scrolling technique is well known, many demos at that time (or shortly after) used it.
Flying Shark was playable iirc :)
But yeah I agree, this is really a game type the CPC is well suited for, with proper hard scrolling. I had some idea for this, but oh well, time....
Quote from: Duke on 23:43, 17 July 17
Mission Genocide is no doubt the technically best. The scrolling technique is well known, many demos at that time (or shortly after) used it.
Flying Shark was playable iirc :)
But yeah I agree, this is really a game type the CPC is well suited for, with proper hard scrolling. I had some idea for this, but oh well, time....
You realize you could get paid for producing a good game for the machine?! You have a game idea? :)
There is this playable preview from Fefesse called, I guess, Axys. It's 50hz. Can't find it right now, maybe the title is wrong.
Ah, here it is:
http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&num=1028 (http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&num=1028)
I'd add Xenon by Melbourne House, Stardust and Silent Shadow by Topo Soft.
When I was a Child, I was a big fan of BEDLAM
In terms of classic games, how the hell has this thread to manage to get to two pages and not ONE person has mentioned Marauder?
It absolutely wiped the floor with Flying Shark!
Quote from: Shaun M. Neary on 14:15, 18 July 17
In terms of classic games, how the hell has this thread to manage to get to two pages and not ONE person has mentioned Marauder?
yeah Marauder moved nice and smoothly
Also the music is amazing on this one!
I will pay above the odds to see a game that is pushing the CPC and showing what it really is capable of. Genuinely TBH I am not particularly fussed about paying for games that there are hundreds of decent examples already on the machine.
I reckon if some of the good game designers in the CPC scene put a vision of what game they are going to do . I expect a smaller scale kick starter sort of affair could be got together.
I know it may seem a pointless venture to some ,making games for a dead system. But How I see it is the retro scene is only going to become more valuable .As antiques of the future . Smaller games that have nice packages will become highly sort after . I may be wrong.? But I think even as a labour of love with a maybe a few hundred quid to the game producer plus the respect of being a genius programmer.
Quote from: Shaun M. Neary on 14:15, 18 July 17
In terms of classic games, how the hell has this thread to manage to get to two pages and not ONE person has mentioned Marauder?
It absolutely wiped the floor with Flying Shark!
Yeah good call , I was surprised at how well they did with that game Marauder was produced with a modicum of respect for the machine.
...a "dead system".
Doesn't seem dead to me at all.
Anyway, it will depend on genre for each individual.
I was personally very fond of "Teodoro", so I donated to the author. But I've since learned that most other people didn't like that game at all, which I still find weird.
"Dead on Time" is also a favorite, so I donated to the author. His other space-shooter "Star Sabre" didn't appeal to me though, but everyone else loved it. Again, different people have different taste.
And the CPCRetroDev is an awesome initiative, so I donated to the creator there too.
I think we should all definitely donate to authors of games we enjoy. That's how we keep the platform alive. ;)
Now everyone go buy a 4-player adapter and play some "Space Rivals", and donate lots of money to me. 8)
Quote from: mr_lou on 17:48, 18 July 17
...a "dead system".
Doesn't seem dead to me at all.
Anyway, it will depend on genre for each individual.
I was personally very fond of "Teodoro", so I donated to the author. But I've since learned that most other people didn't like that game at all, which I still find weird.
"Dead on Time" is also a favorite, so I donated to the author. His other space-shooter "Star Sabre" didn't appeal to me though, but everyone else loved it. Again, different people have different taste.
And the CPCRetroDev is an awesome initiative, so I donated to the creator there too.
I think we should all definitely donate to authors of games we enjoy. That's how we keep the platform alive. ;)
Now everyone go buy a 4-player adapter and play some "Space Rivals", and donate lots of money to me. 8)
talk about trying to find negatives? lol give me a better term then. Semantics . A system that is not commercially sold then.
Quote from: Puresox on 17:51, 18 July 17
talk about trying to find negatives? lol give me a better term then. Semantics . A system that is not commercially sold then.
I suppose "niche platform" would work? As opposed to mainstream consoles.
But "dead" to me implies complete lack of interest; that everyone has left it. That's not what I'm seeing for the CPC. I'm rather seeing an increase in interest. More and more people join this forum for example. More and more games and demos and new hardware stuff are created for the CPC. Definitely not dead, but indeed very niche - which is the awesome and geeky part of it. :)
FFS. ^^^ Stupid editing system.
(My Post this relates too)
Dead System (Not meaning hate toward machine honest). Just perspective of potential people who may not see the value of working on titles on a system not commercially available.
Yes The CPC is a great machine and def not dead ,as the Wiki goes to show a thriving community.
Quote from: Puresox on 17:55, 18 July 17
FFS. ^^^ Stupid editing system.
(My Post this relates too)
Dead System (Not meaning hate toward machine honest). Just perspective of potential people who may not see the value of working on titles on a system not commercially available.
Yes The CPC is a great machine and def not dead ,as the Wiki goes to show a thriving community.
I never implied you meant it in any hateful way.
Working on a game for the CPC can be commercial. Working on a game on any other platform isn't necessarily commercial. ;)
In any case, I believe that you may create a commercial game for Android + a freeware game for the CPC - and end up making more money on the CPC game in the form of donations than you do on your commercial Android game.
Btw. Just incase there is any confusion over my posts those arrows were not directed toward Mr.Lou. I was making a follow post to the messed up edited post before .And Mr.Lou post slipped betwixt .So please don't think Im being arsy to Mr.Lou :D
Quote from: Puresox on 18:07, 18 July 17
Btw. Just incase there is any confusion over my posts those arrows were not directed toward Mr.Lou. I was making a follow post to the messed up edited post before .And Mr.Lou post slipped betwixt .So please don't think Im being arsy to Mr.Lou :D
Don't worry, I can tell the difference between a jolly fellow and an arse. ;)
For me the best vertical shooter ever made for the CPC was Gemini Wing.
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Really!?
Vive la difference . I didnt mind it . But it seems to be unloved by lots of gamers on the cpc.
I quite liked Dragon Spirit(or Breed, the vertical shooter which ever one it was) I thought it was pretty decent game apart from having such a large main sprite was a bit cumbersome with the reduce screen aspect ratio . Played alright though Imo, and had a nice selection of power ups . Bastard hard though ,really have to learn positioning for enemies etc
Quote from: mr_lou on 18:14, 18 July 17
Don't worry, I can tell the difference between a jolly fellow and an arse. ;)
:D Some may find that hard to believe , David Banner Incredible Hulk if I bite my lip though .
Teodoro? Never heard off this one. It looks beautiful. Damn, there are still so many games that are unknown! This is really strange it still happens.
It's a wonder nobody has mentioned this masterpiece of coding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RRjbngNG9c
Moderator should probably split this thread up.
I have a small soft spot for galactic plague, terrible as it is. It was my first vertical space shooter and it was colourful and I didn't know better.
I then moved onto Lightforce and that was way way better.
Marauder was a favourite of mine back in the day too.
Ideally I'd like a smooth 50Hz scroller like Mission Genocide, with better graphics.
I also had Dominator, which had great graphics, but was a little slow.
Quote from: Puresox on 23:05, 17 July 17
I'd love to know what people consider the greatest VS,on the CPC.
My 3 favourites ones:
1 - Lightforce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uvi7zcI_xw
2 - Commando
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzBniRsyr4w
3 Slapfight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf2KnxiYUSA
Nice choices, My feelings on Lightforce ,were quite pleased with it at the time and It was a pretty nice shooter compared with alot of the rubbish in the field. I found it needed some power up system ,just to liven it up a bit .
Commando is a cracking game and I didnt choose it myself because I was after the forced vertical scrolling games . Rather than choice made scrolling( Yes I know the topic title is woefully slack because it should read Vertical Scrolling Shooter). Commando was/is awesome on the CPC imo though ,graphics could be better but the gameplay stands out . And I can live with the slowdown on some later levels. CPC version tops the old C64 version purely for the fact it has 8levels rather than the 3 on the C64 version . Which is a great version except for the cut down levels.
SlapFight. Yeah I didnt mind that version of it , I thought it was a respectable enough port for the CPC . I enjoy playing it from time to time ,and prefer it to Xevious which was similar in its delivery.
Oh Slap Fight. I did enjoy that one. I used to load it up even just to dance to that upbeat happy theme tune. :)
I really loved LightForce, too (the original disk lays around here somewhere). As the main menu from THE DEMO uses some gfx of it, a LightForce remake with hardwarescroll would be great.
Anyone also into it ?
For me, Slap Fight pales in comparison for the same reason Xevious would.
Graphically and scrolling, Slap Fight is a winner but what the hell is the point of a shoot em up when you can't see the bullets due to the flickering or the tiny size of them?! ::)
Light Force was great. I agree. Great example.
And concerning the "dead machine" stuff... I was just wondering: if something like this emerges in a different medium:
http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/games/hwgar!-new-game/
How can someone think the CPC is dead? And I thin is something really interesting and too look for because theyr're dealing and caring about the peculiar aesthetic of the machine... Can't wait the final sci-fi promo to see what other CPC elements are in there.
Long live the CPC I would say...
flying shark is fun to play. sonic boom is not so bad. mystical has a poor two-players mode.
avoid typhoon of course.
Quote from: Shaun M. Neary on 12:36, 20 July 17
For me, Slap Fight pales in comparison for the same reason Xevious would.
Graphically and scrolling, Slap Fight is a winner but what the hell is the point of a shoot em up when you can't see the bullets due to the flickering or the tiny size of them?! ::)
I never had a problem with it. Used to get quite far and was a game I'd regularly go back to over many other shooters I had at the time.
Quote from: Carnivius on 13:56, 20 July 17
I never had a problem with it. Used to get quite far and was a game I'd regularly go back to over many other shooters I had at the time.
Yeah I played it a lot in 89 when I got the Taito Coin Op Hits compilation. But it used to frustrate the hell out of me being hit with invisible or flickery bullets that seemingly came out of nowhere. Was a huge fan of the coin-op as well.
CPC version of Moon Cresta was also pretty decent.
Moon cresta was not bad version, bit disappointed they didn't refine the collision detection
Honourable mention goes to Mastertronics Xcel. Nice scrolling and some fiendishly challenging levels. Just too bad some of the sub plots made no sense.
For me it would be Mission Genocide and the recent Dragon Attack. Those games exhibit the smoothness, play area dimensions and responsive controls needed to make vertical scrollers work.
Yeah controls are a massive part of good games
You forgot AXYS which is awesome... considering it was a type-in!! :doh:
Depends on the definition... My all-time fav on the CPC is Lightforce as well, because I just really enjoyed it. Quite simplistic, but it played very nice and I have very fond memories of looping through its levels (it doesn't end). I also loved Flying Shark. Not a great port of course, but the cuteness of it more than made it up for me.