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Title: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: VincentGR on 21:36, 31 December 15
...well for next xmas as I am late.

I would like to see a good conversion of scramble and river raid for my beloved machine before I close my eyes.
I know it is a big thing this to do but hey, hope dies last as we say here.

Maybe a coder from here will act as santa next year.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: alex76gr on 21:52, 31 December 15
Oh yes my friend, Scramble and River Raid would be bliss for next year's Christmas presents.

Would it be too much if i asked a nice conversion for Berzerk too?

I don't want to get a lump of coal for being greedy. ;D
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: reidrac on 22:24, 31 December 15
Quote from: VincentGR on 21:36, 31 December 15
...well for next xmas as I am late.

I would like to see a good conversion of scramble and river raid for my beloved machine before I close my eyes.
I know it is a big thing this to do but hey, hope dies last as we say here.

Maybe a coder from here will act as santa next year.

Just to be clear, do you mean these?

- Scramble (video game)- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_(video_game))
- River Raid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Raid)

I'm not saying anything, but I want to know what are we talking about here...  :P
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Puresox on 22:37, 31 December 15
Those are great choices , I wouldn't mind some of that for sure!
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: alex76gr on 09:30, 01 January 16
QuoteJust to be clear, do you mean these?

- Scramble (video game)- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- River Raid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, exactly those.

Also, this Berzerk.
Berzerk (video game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berzerk_%28video_game%29)
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: VincentGR on 17:55, 01 January 16
Quote from: reidrac on 22:24, 31 December 15
Just to be clear, do you mean these?

- Scramble (video game)- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_(video_game))
- River Raid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Raid)

I'm not saying anything, but I want to know what are we talking about here...  :P

Yes!
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Docent on 22:37, 04 January 16
Quote from: alex76gr on 09:30, 01 January 16
Yes, exactly those.

Also, this Berzerk.
Berzerk (video game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berzerk_%28video_game%29)
Well, I already disassembled the arcade version of Berzerk some time ago, when I'll find some spare time, I'll try to build out of it a version running on cpc, perhaps even with the speech :)
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: VincentGR on 23:00, 04 January 16
Quote from: Docent on 22:37, 04 January 16
perhaps even with the speech :)

:-X I am speechless!
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: alex76gr on 10:52, 05 January 16
QuoteI'll try to build out of it a version running on cpc, perhaps even with the speech
You are my hero... :-*
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Docent on 22:17, 06 January 16
Quote from: alex76gr on 10:52, 05 January 16
You are my hero... :-*
heh, hold your horses please :), it still needs a lot of work - the game is written for a rare arcade system with special hardware for various bit logic operations and no programming docs available, so a lot of time is required to determine what's going on in the code. So far the main menu and maze generation works, gfx has been ripped and converted but the rest still requires a lot of work.
Btw: it will be in mode 1, 256x224 resolution just like the original.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: alex76gr on 08:52, 07 January 16
Quoteheh, hold your horses please :), it still needs a lot of work - the game is written for a rare arcade system with special hardware for various bit logic operations and no programming docs available, so a lot of time is required to determine what's going on in the code. So far the main menu and maze generation works, gfx has been ripped and converted but the rest still requires a lot of work.
Btw: it will be in mode 1, 256x224 resolution just like the original.
I am holding my horses but this is so exciting! :P
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Gryzor on 09:50, 08 January 16
I'm holding by breath, on the other hand.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 10:10, 08 January 16
If the game finally works, there could be two versions, one with the original graphics and another with improved ones. Would this be possible?  :)
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Lazy Dude on 12:30, 08 January 16
Exiting!
As a private project as opposed to a crowd funded thing, it's  not under any pressure to work to deadlines though.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: TFM on 18:39, 08 January 16
Maybe I should use Crowd funding for some projects, Kraut funding didn't work.  :picard2:
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: VincentGR on 20:42, 08 January 16
OMG! I am holding alex's horses too.
Hey, this new version should end, i.e at level 50.
Never liked never ending games  ;D
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Bryce on 21:08, 08 January 16
Quote from: TFM on 18:39, 08 January 16
Maybe I should use Crowd funding for some projects, Kraut funding didn't work.  :picard2:

Did my pledge not arrive yet??...  ::)

Bryce.

Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: TFM on 21:21, 08 January 16
Quote from: VincentGR on 20:42, 08 January 16
Never liked never ending games  ;D


Welcome in the world of Berzerk humanoid!  :o
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: alex76gr on 21:52, 08 January 16
QuoteHey, this new version should end, i.e at level 50.
I would prefer the gameplay being as close to the original as possible.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Docent on 01:28, 09 January 16
Quote from: ||C|-|E|| on 10:10, 08 January 16
If the game finally works, there could be two versions, one with the original graphics and another with improved ones. Would this be possible?  :)
Yes, if someone will do the new graphics :)
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Xyphoe on 01:45, 09 January 16
For Scamble you already have the excellent Killer Cobra, although really it's more of a port of "Super Cobra" which was an updated version of Scramble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bGBgOzA1ZU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bGBgOzA1ZU)

For River Raid you have the main section of "Assault On Port Stanley"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA3f4eHMbk4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA3f4eHMbk4)
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: alex76gr on 09:29, 09 January 16
Killer Cobra is an excellent game indeed.
Technically advanced for its time but it still is a Scramble clone.

As for Port Stanley... no comment.

I believe it's time for the CPC to have some good original games and not rip offs.
Lately, Atari 2600 got a very good conversion of Scramble, and we all know how much under-powered this machine is.
Why not the CPC?

Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: VincentGR on 14:51, 09 January 16
Quote from: Xyphoe on 01:45, 09 January 16
For Scamble you already have the excellent Killer Cobra, although really it's more of a port of "Super Cobra" which was an updated version of Scramble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bGBgOzA1ZU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bGBgOzA1ZU)

For River Raid you have the main section of "Assault On Port Stanley"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA3f4eHMbk4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA3f4eHMbk4)

Not even close.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: VincentGR on 14:54, 09 January 16
Quote from: alex76gr on 09:29, 09 January 16
Killer Cobra is an excellent game indeed.
Technically advanced for its time but it still is a Scramble clone.

As for Port Stanley... no comment.

I believe it's time for the CPC to have some good original games and not rip offs.
Lately, Atari 2600 got a very good conversion of Scramble, and we all know how much under-powered this machine is.
Why not the CPC?

I agree, 2600 has one of the best scramble right now.
As for the under powered machine they used the extra cpu on the SD cartridge.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Puresox on 16:40, 09 January 16
Quote from: VincentGR on 14:51, 09 January 16
Not even close.


What's not close?
Killer Cobra  is superb but far too fast , the levels are pretty similar but do go off at a tangent . It would be a brilliant game if they had managed to get the speed right.



With Regard to Port Stanley.The  River Raid Section is pretty close in it's concept, although massively underused in the game , The scrolling is reasonable and all the elements are there , it really would be loads better if it was arranged well . I am not sure of how much use it would be in developing a good River Raid Game . I am shocked that the game developers didn't make more use of it .Best part of the game imo
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: VincentGR on 20:05, 09 January 16
Quote from: Puresox on 16:40, 09 January 16

What's not close?
Killer Cobra  is superb but far too fast , the levels are pretty similar but do go off at a tangent . It would be a brilliant game if they had managed to get the speed right.



With Regard to Port Stanley.The  River Raid Section is pretty close in it's concept, although massively underused in the game , The scrolling is reasonable and all the elements are there , it really would be loads better if it was arranged well . I am not sure of how much use it would be in developing a good River Raid Game . I am shocked that the game developers didn't make more use of it .Best part of the game imo


If if if, well it is not.
Would like to see the real thing.
It is like I want to play ikari and instead play commando.
And no, I don't want to play a game till I go to that level that is similar.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: alex76gr on 23:15, 09 January 16
QuoteI am not sure of how much use it would be in developing a good River Raid Game.
If the people that granted us 3D Deathchase, JetPac, the 2012 R-type, Pac-Man Emulator (just to name a few) shared the same amount of doubt,  we would have a much poorer games library now.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Puresox on 00:03, 10 January 16
Quote from: VincentGR on 20:05, 09 January 16

If if if, well it is not.
Would like to see the real thing.
It is like I want to play ikari and instead play commando.
And no, I don't want to play a game till I go to that level that is similar.
Xyphoe wasn't suggesting that i don't think , just saying they are a good platform to build a  game from I suppose
Don't believe he was saying , here have these and be grateful.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: TFM on 18:46, 15 January 16
Quote from: VincentGR on 14:54, 09 January 16
I agree, 2600 has one of the best scramble right now.


IMHO the CBS version is way better...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO-kU0KbHAk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO-kU0KbHAk)
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: VincentGR on 19:56, 15 January 16
Quote from: TFM on 18:46, 15 January 16

IMHO the CBS version is way better...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO-kU0KbHAk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO-kU0KbHAk)

And C64 has a terrific version but I judge considering the limitations.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: TFM on 20:30, 15 January 16
Quote from: VincentGR on 19:56, 15 January 16
And C64 has a terrific version but I judge considering the limitations.


You're right. But I don't know why the don't use hard-scrolling. However...


Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: alex76gr on 21:11, 15 January 16
I think VincentGR had in mind the June 2015 version.
It's a brilliant conversion.
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: TFM on 22:04, 15 January 16
Haha! Ok, thank's for pointing that out. Scrolling is way better there.  :)
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Puresox on 22:20, 15 January 16
Quote from: alex76gr on 21:11, 15 January 16
I think VincentGR had in mind the June 2015 version.
It's a brilliant conversion.

Really nice , I expect they are working Super Cobra now. Lucky sods.
Didn't think 'Cosmic Avenger' by Universal was as good a game as Scramble ,tbh never saw it in the arcades for one thing and don't think it had the visual impact that Scramble did , The Colours were really fitting  just around the time of the Punk scene , although a little after it, but still had the Jamie Reid 'Never mind the Bollocks' vibe. It was a great game to boot .
Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: TFM on 23:26, 15 January 16
Oh, well, I grow up with Cosmic Avenger, saw scramble later on. But now... back to Black Flag!  :P




Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: Puresox on 00:15, 16 January 16
Black Flag eh , not heard much of their stuff tbh.  Although Henry Rollins was from  the band and  I  have a fair bit of his stuff , and was lucky enough to see him supporting Beastie Boys .

Title: Re: What I want for Christmas...
Post by: VincentGR on 15:08, 16 January 16
Oh my longplay, alex  ;D .
Scramble is a game that gives that feeling... you know.
I was astonished when I saw it on the arcades in early 80s and same happened a couple of years back on 8bit home versions.
As a kid with a cpc never had it and that was sad  :picard:
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