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Title: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 13:55, 12 February 14
I want to create some 3d models of Amstrad CPCs:
- CPC 6128+
- Plus Monitor
- CPC 6128
- GX4000
- CPC 664
- CPC 464+?!?

CPC 464 I already have...

Who wants to help me with this?
I need maaaaaany hi-res photos (6 megapixels or above), taken as shown here:
(http://cpc-live.com/3d-capturing.gif)
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 22:03, 12 February 14
Just for info:
I only need photographs!!!
The 3d modeling will be done then by a 3d artist.
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: TFM on 22:29, 12 February 14
A 3D artist? is that a computer program or a human?

Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 22:43, 12 February 14
A human...
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Bryce on 22:49, 12 February 14
Why not just create a 3D wire frame of the device and assign textures from a few real photos? What exactly will the rotating camera photos achieve? I could understand it if you are creating something with millions of surfaces (like that statue), but a CPC is a simple form.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 23:03, 12 February 14
It's not me, who asked for photos...
But the artist uses Autodesk 123d to pre-create the models and then he will modify them and make them cleaner and more detailled...
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: ced64k on 12:05, 13 February 14
And thereafter we can all print in 3D our brand new CPC case  :D
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 13:07, 13 February 14
Humm no... The 3d models will not be so detailled that they could be used for 3d printers, I'm sorry
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Sykobee (Briggsy) on 17:43, 13 February 14
Yeah, we'd need to photograph each individual case component on its own, inside and out, for that!


Although that would provide an even more accurate 3D model, thinking about it.
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 18:20, 13 February 14
Quote from: Sykobee (Briggsy) on 17:43, 13 February 14
Yeah, we'd need to photograph each individual case component on its own, inside and out, for that!


Although that would provide an even more accurate 3D model, thinking about it.

Sure but please think about 2 facts:

- I just need the exterior models, perhaps with a bit designed interior.
- Normally giving the order to create such models by a professional 3d artist is also a good question of paying... And the artist will do the models for free...
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Gryzor on 19:13, 16 February 14
Yeah, I think I can do this with a decent camera and the machines sitting on the floor, would it be ok?
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 19:37, 16 February 14
Yeah on the floor would be perfect, best with same light conditions from all sides...
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Gryzor on 10:20, 17 February 14
Yeah, will try; I don't have a studio so it'll be done with overhead lighting and flash. Unfortunately I have no idea about the work flow of a 3D artist so I don't know what would be good/bad for him, but I'll do a test with my CTM664 and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 10:30, 17 February 14
Ummm... I already have a model for the CTM ;)

Better do shootings of a 6128 or a plus ;)
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Gryzor on 13:36, 17 February 14
Yeah, yeah, that :D
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Gryzor on 13:36, 17 February 14
Oh, you also need a set of photos for the top and bottom? A total of 60 pics?
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 13:06, 18 February 14
Yes that should work.
not directly from top. Use a 45° angle...
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Gryzor on 17:39, 18 February 14
Erm... yes. I don't have a studio, so plucking off the ceiling light and putting it at 45 degrees is out of the question. Just a the overhead lights and the camera's flash (and I can't even find my diffuser).
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 18:03, 18 February 14
The images don't need to be 100% perfect, so I'm sure, your results will be fine ;)

Could you also take 1 or 2 photos directly from top and bottom?
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 14:59, 24 February 14
Any progress here?
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Phi2x on 15:05, 24 February 14
.
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Gryzor on 18:31, 24 February 14
Quote from: Devilmarkus on 14:59, 24 February 14
Any progress here?


Nope :(
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: MacDeath on 17:57, 14 May 14
Raise topic from the grave !!!!


ok I guess the best way to get those pictures would be to put the machine on a rotative plate so the camera stays fixed at the same place...

Sadly I don't think i do have a proper camera doing 6megapixels...
My old Sony thing has 5.1 megapixels only...

Not sure about a rotating system as well, any ideas ?
perhaps using 2 plates...
Some microwave ovens do have a system that may be used (outside the oven off course).


otherwise I have a friend who happen to be metrologist... his job is to measure things (mecanical parts) precisely... I will hask him some advices perhpas, when I see him.


post edition :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8MzEYpu1ec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8MzEYpu1ec#ws)

That would be perfect, and a good way to use my arduino... lol...

otherwise :
Rotating Plate: TV Stands | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/rotating-plate)

just mark the degrees of rotation and you're ok for a nice precision job in modelisation.

would not rotate the light source though...

Rotating plates are kitchen ware used to put icing on cakes or for cheese serving... would be the perfect double usefull combo !!!
you offer one to your wife... but use it to modelize some stuffs... :laugh:

Ok now let go geeky :
(http://www.trait-tech.com/uploads/details/T-DS-1001D-5__Package.jpg)

you put whatever you want on this , then get the camera to go full machinegun crazy while it rotates...

Voilà !!!

nice to produce animated gifs as well...
TotO or anyone could display his expansion cards like this... or a gamebox, or a dildo or whatever actually. :D
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Bryce on 12:30, 27 June 14
Hi Markus,
      not sure if you are still working on this, but I found this site here: Museo Virtual Escuela Superior de Informática (http://www.esi.uclm.es/museo/index_en.html) where they have modelled quite a collection of retro computers in Blender which can all be downloaded for free, including a 6128 and a very nice 464 opened and including the entire PCB. There's also some other great classics from Apple, Commodore, Spectrum and lots more.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 13:05, 27 June 14
Hi Bryce,
I know these models...
They are ultra-low polygon models with weird textures...

Also none of them matches the real dimensions... The 6128 is too flattened, the 464 too un-detailled etc...
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Bryce on 13:43, 27 June 14
Yes, I noticed some of them were off, but the supply the .blend files, so you could use them as a basis and correct the mistakes.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Devilmarkus on 13:45, 27 June 14
It'd be less work to create new models from scratch... Believe me... ;)
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Munchausen on 19:37, 01 July 14
I will soon have access to a 3D scanner. I wonder if it would be useful for me to scan the 6128 plastics? I don't know if it would produce a very good model.
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Gryzor on 09:40, 02 July 14
Are these scans converted in CAD files or are 3D-scanner specific?
Title: Re: Amstrad CPC 3d models
Post by: Munchausen on 15:05, 02 July 14
They can be exported to CAD models I believe. However they apparently need a fair amount of work before being entirely useful, mostly because it is a handheld scanner. Having seen these scanners before, they do produce pretty good looking results but not good enough that you could e.g. immediately print an accurate copy with a 3D printer. There is talk of building some kind of articulated platform to use for the scanning, which would improve the quality a lot, but that's just banter ATM.


Basically they are just finishing building a maker space at the university where I work. It will have a trio of 3D printers of various qualities, a small CNC, a 3D scanner and a lot of other stuff.
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