In time the hardware will degrade to the point it is unrecoverable, so an idea all the emulator teams, all the databases get together and create a giant all in one emulator with everything that is available for the CPC/PCWs?
Yes, that exists already. It's called... JavaCPC :)
Quote from: dcdrac on 19:38, 05 September 14
In time the hardware will degrade to the point it is unrecoverable
:( :( :(
So how long do you think till this may happen?
Quote from: Robo on 22:13, 05 September 14
:( :( :(
So how long do you think till this may happen?
September 31st 2024 at 3:52pm
there will come a point when the parts are not made anymore to fix a cpc, so maybe an alliance could be formed of all those wanting to keep it alive some how
We will all have molecular printers built into our phones by then, so we can just holographically mould a new set of parts
It will need to emulate "KL NEW FRAME FLY (&BCD7)" in the Event it's pointing at something which Disables Interrupts, extra memory cannot be accessed.
I'm not sure how one emulates that sort of crash :(
I am worrying more about, if WinApe will still run in Windows 19...
And I hope to have an updated Arnold on os-x
Quote from: dcdrac on 19:38, 05 September 14
In time the hardware will degrade to the point it is unrecoverable
Whatchu talkin' bout? My CPC will outlive even my great-great-great-grandchildren. Yep. Hm. I haven't even got a kid yet, so no idea why I'm now imaginary future generations of my offspring. But point is, my lil 464 is a tough ol' thing. 8)
Quote from: Prodatron on 13:10, 06 September 14
I am worrying more about, if WinApe will still run in Windows 19...
Well, you'll find out in about 4-5 years. ;D
Quote from: Prodatron on 13:10, 06 September 14
I am worrying more about, if WinApe will still run in Windows 19...
As soon as I get my time machine up and running I'll let you know[NB]Still having issues with the flux capacitor.[/NB]. :)
Bryce.
Quote from: Bryce on 09:34, 08 September 14
As soon as I get my time machine up and running I'll let you know[NB]Still having issues with the flux capacitor.[/NB]. :)
Bryce.
DIY Flux Capacitor (http://www.instructables.com/id/Flux-Capacitor/)
Quote from: EgoTrip on 12:28, 08 September 14
DIY Flux Capacitor (http://www.instructables.com/id/Flux-Capacitor/)
x-mem, playcity and a flux capacitor! ;D
"How long does it take to load that game from tape?"
"I started it loading today and it finished yesterday it was that quick"
The power of flux capacitors on tape loading :laugh:
C64 users would need one of those for their slow disc drive
Quote from: CraigsBar on 13:23, 08 September 14
C64 users would need one of those for their slow disc drive
They'd probably want a one in a shade of brown though. :)
Bryce.
QuoteThey'd probably want a one in a shade of brown though.
or grey...
Sad for them because...
The Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want - Glastonbury 2013 (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e89Awhxjxq8#ws)
In fact, my C64 died years ago. Before that, both my 1541 drives were not working well, or the cable had problem. And also the transfer cable from PC couldn't work anymore. And SDHC doesn't exist for the C64, and I think another solution SD2IC something, I don't know how well it works with fastloaders. Antitec bought one of these and he told me he has problem running some of the stuff. The good machines (C64/Amiga) with their own special disk drives, it's a pain in the ass to transfer stuff, and maybe oneday it will be a real problem.
But the CPC, my 3 CPCs are still alive, still have the problem with rubber band, original drive not working, can maybe easilly fixed, but I resorted to the SDHC solution, also a 3.5" drive does it. Which could dissapear in the future though.
Maybe the future will be running on FPGAs. Not like the real thing, but..
Quote from: Optimus on 10:28, 09 September 14
In fact, my C64 died years ago. Before that, both my 1541 drives were not working well, or the cable had problem. And also the transfer cable from PC couldn't work anymore. And SDHC doesn't exist for the C64, and I think another solution SD2IC something, I don't know how well it works with fastloaders. Antitec bought one of these and he told me he has problem running some of the stuff. The good machines (C64/Amiga) with their own special disk drives, it's a pain in the ass to transfer stuff, and maybe oneday it will be a real problem.
But the CPC, my 3 CPCs are still alive, still have the problem with rubber band, original drive not working, can maybe easilly fixed, but I resorted to the SDHC solution, also a 3.5" drive does it. Which could dissapear in the future though.
Maybe the future will be running on FPGAs. Not like the real thing, but..
There are several SDHC solutions for the C64 - 1541-III, MMC2IEC, SD2IEC, 1541 Ultimate and µIEC. I use a µIEC installed internally on mine ( uIEC/SD - RETRO Innovations (http://store.go4retro.com/uiec-sd/) ). It works like a dream and even auto-detects JiffyDOS and speedloads if present.
Bryce.
Just a question: Do you think we can currently remanufacture a CPC cheaply and above 100% identical with the current technology?
The main problem I think is the screen because no current screen does 50Hz and the "screen matrix" does not exist ...
Gate Array and is can not be that easy to replicate?
Same question for the CPC +
Isn't that what projects like the FPGA-CPC does? (Sorry Ralf, can't remember exactly what you call the project at the moment).
Bryce.
Quote from: Bryce on 12:46, 09 September 14
There are several SDHC solutions for the C64 - 1541-III, MMC2IEC, SD2IEC, 1541 Ultimate and µIEC. I use a µIEC installed internally on mine ( uIEC/SD - RETRO Innovations (http://store.go4retro.com/uiec-sd/) ). It works like a dream and even auto-detects JiffyDOS and speedloads if present.
Bryce.
Good to know. I am wondering which one of these had my friend Antitec?
Is the mIEC working with demos that use their own drive loaders?
Does it need soldering or just plug in and play?
I bought the minimal PCB version because I soldered it inside the C64, there are kits for external connection that don't need soldering and even some modders that sell finished, cased versions like this: Commodore 64/64C/128 1541 Disk Drive Emulation SD2IEC SD Card Reader | eBay (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Commodore-64-64C-128-1541-Disk-Drive-Emulation-SD2IEC-SD-Card-Reader-/261584852161?pt=Klassische_Computer&hash=item3ce7ac14c1)
I don't usually watch many demos, so I have only really used it for standard C64 brownware software.
Bryce.
Can somebody please divide the thread. Back to topic!
I was thinking to keep the motherboard cpc and replace each component one by one ...
Quote from: Prodatron on 13:10, 06 September 14
I am worrying more about, if WinApe will still run in Windows 19...
I have my doubts Microsoft will survive that long the way they're going now.
Well, which OS will take over then?
Well in my house, I moved from Windows to Linux to OSX. Apple just get computers right. Shame their phone division is too busy working out who to sue next to actually innovate any more.
In our house it's windows to linux.
But I wish I had osx ;)
Quote from: CraigsBar on 07:38, 12 September 14
Apple just get computers right.
For you perhaps. I find Macs next to useless for my needs. And also the ones I had to use at college were a nightmare. Am not a Microsoft fan but Windows has the been the least stressful for me out of the current main three home computer OS's (well... XP and 7 anyways... I had Windows ME for a while back when that was out and that was a piece of stinky monkeydoo)
Quote from: Carnivac on 09:27, 12 September 14
For you perhaps. I find Macs next to useless for my needs. And also the ones I had to use at college were a nightmare. Am not a Microsoft fan but Windows has the been the least stressful for me out of the current main three home computer OS's (well... XP and 7 anyways... I had Windows ME for a while back when that was out and that was a piece of stinky monkeydoo)
like all things it depends on your needs. I require and run lots of audio and video tools and of course the required web browsers etc. Things at which osx excels. However, if you require a native Oracle database or major cross development tools then you are without doubt better with Linux or (although I shudder to admit it) Windows.
Quote from: Bryce on 14:14, 09 September 14
cased versions like this: Commodore 64/64C/128 1541 Disk Drive Emulation SD2IEC SD Card Reader | eBay (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Commodore-64-64C-128-1541-Disk-Drive-Emulation-SD2IEC-SD-Card-Reader-/261584852161?pt=Klassische_Computer&hash=item3ce7ac14c1)
Bryce.
Bryce can something like this be made for the cpc? Tape drive emulation SD card reader?
Technically, a HxC without display could be shrunk down (ie: new layout and SMD parts) to make something like this. The only issue would be the 34way header which would need to be changed because of its size.
I'm not a fan of tape-drive emulators because of the (lack of) speed.
Bryce.
Oh ok. I was just thinking it could be a good alternative to a flash cart type device (being able to store every cpc game on and loading up from a SD card).
That's what the HxC floppy emulator does.
HxC2001 HeadQuarters : HxC Floppy Emulator (http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/index.html#intro)
Quote from: TFM on 02:12, 12 September 14
Well, which OS will take over then?
Windows 8... But, it's an illegal copy of FutureOS.
Quote from: TotO on 21:14, 12 September 14
Windows 8... But, it's an illegal copy of FutureOS.
No, in this case it wouldn't be so slow :laugh:
Just about the metro-style icons page over the OS.
Quote from: GOB on 22:40, 09 September 14
I was thinking to keep the motherboard cpc and replace each component one by one ...
And you can, but for the special chips as Gate Array, PAL, ASIC, ... and the ones difficult to get those days as the FDC, you will need to replace for:
1.- Or discrete logic (TTLs) as the Speccy Harlequin clone (http://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47524), although they only have one custom chip, the ULA; and it's not so complex like the GA, that means you are going to have a board with the size of the Arnold prototype Gate Array for every special chip.
2.- Or programable logic (CPLDs/FPGAs) as the V6Z80P (http://www.retroleum.co.uk/electronics-articles/v6z80p/), where they have a real Z80 + RAM and the FPGA is used for synthetizing the video + sound + ram paging + ... in a very similar way as Amstrad embedded in the CPC+ and CRTC 4 CPCs the PPI + CRTC + PAL + GA in a custom chip.
Aside of a lot guys think "programable logic" is not emulation and has nice advantages like being updateable (for fixing bugs) or you could redesign the cpc using a really small board similar in size to a pair of M4X boards; or ...
The only ICs not available are the Gate-Array in Classic CPCs and the ASIC in CPC+, everything else is still available.
The biggest issue you can have with CPLDs is that their timing is not 100% the same as the original TTL logic, so new timing bugs can occur that weren't in the original hardware.
Bryce.
No problem. In the KCc the GA is simulated by TTL chips, the data is available.
Quote from: TFM on 19:04, 16 September 14
No problem. In the KCc the GA is simulated by TTL chips, the data is available.
Does it do 100% what the GA does? If so, why haven't we converted that to a CPLD yet? And does it emulate a 40007 or a 40010?
Bryce.
You are the hardware guy ;)