When BATMAN FORVER (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=56761) was released, a lot of CPC Vs C64 threads appeared across the world. This one (http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=8014&page=1&x=35&y=8) in pouet.net (http://www.pouet.net/index.php) had me the most vexed! (Well, not too vexed, obviously, as I've only just come to it!)
Anyway, one comment in particular hit me hardest; it was from someone I have always admired as a game/cracktro musician since the 80s. In response, I'd like to list my 10 most memorable modern AY tunes! Proving that the 1hz AY chip isn't boring, isn't dead and isn't going away!
So, (and in no particular order... other than saying OCTOPUS/TARGHAN is best! ^_^) here's my list:
Targhan - Octopus (From DemoIzArt)
Targhan - Carpet (From Midline Process)
TomEtJerry - Edge A (From Edge Grinder)
TomEtJerry - From Stratch
EgoTrip - Underground Base (Appears on his soundcloud account (http://soundcloud.com/egochip))
Factor6 - Batman Forever (Main & End)
FenyxKell - Bobline
Mr. Lou - Blu Mix (From Blue Angel 69)
McKlain - Take Off!
Megus - Autumn Is Calling (Appears on Bloc Us! Cracktro) - UPDATE: This tune is actually a ZX tune and therefore shouldn't really be included.
... Ok, one more...
Ultrasyd - Bloc Us!
Does anyone else have any other modern CPC tunes that they consider to be memorable? Or do you think some of these tunes are not memorable? Please to be comment! (Self promotion is accepted here if you think one of your tunes is memorable!)
Quote from: tastefulmrship on 10:21, 17 October 11
EgoTrip - Underground Base (Appears on his soundcloud account (http://soundcloud.com/egochip))
I think "The Adventure Begins" and "Mutant Forest" (pure AY class this one) by EgoTrip are superb.
When he talks about the CPC "cruzer" says:
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This machine is almost 3 years newer than the C64, so according to Moore's law it should overall be 4 times as good, but let's see if that holds up.
Kudos for abusing Moore's law in an 8-bit war (again? yawn!).
Let me quote from the Wikipedia article on Moore's law:
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The number of transistors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor) that can be placed inexpensively on an integrated circuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit) doubles approximately every two years.
Moore's law has
nothing to do whatsoever with the year a computer was sold.
I don't even want to read further. If he hasn't learnt to read properly, he's an idiot.
Quote from: MaV on 11:06, 17 October 11
I don't even want to read further. If he hasn't learnt to read properly, he's an idiot.
It's written by a C64 fanboy crying about how good the Batman Forever demo is.
You don't need to read any further ;)
Quote from: redbox on 11:34, 17 October 11
It's written by a C64 fanboy crying about how good the Batman Forever demo is.
You don't need to read any further ;)
You're right. But whenever such a discussion begins nowadays I expect valid arguments, or at least they should acknowledge that it's their opinion.
The listed AY-Tunes are all great. But I can imagine that it needs an ear accostumed to the AY-chip.
Quote from: MaV on 12:16, 17 October 11
The listed AY-Tunes are all great. But I can imagine that it needs an ear accostumed to the AY-chip.
This is a good point; back in the day, everyone I knew had a C64 and I always thought the sound from the SID was harsh and metallic. All of the game-tunes sounded the same and weren't very good. (Possibly due to the television speaker used)
In contrast, I heard (and still do hear) the Amstrad AY-chip sound as a clean, clear waveform and the music (especially in the 80s before HARDENV) had a better, crisper sound. (Possibly due to my CPC464 being connected to a stereo)
Even comparing the Spectrum, Atari, MSX and Amstrad AY sound, they're all different! (Differing frequencies afterall) It's whichever you grew up with that's your preference!
(
Am I a CPC fanboy? Probably... yes!)
I'm quite surprised you didn't include the ColorLine "album"... yes this game was supplied with a lot of lot of tunes and I like them a lot.
What do you consider modern? Must it be Starkos or is Soundtrakker ok?
Quote from: MacDeath on 12:36, 27 October 11
I'm quite surprised you didn't include the ColorLine "album"... yes this game was supplied with a lot of lot of tunes and I like them a lot.
My list was solely taken from the tracks I've listened to over the past year or so..
Also, that is simply my Top10; I had to discard a load of other tunes as well! Without trying to sound like some kind of fanboy, they were mostly Targhan and T&J tunes I left out; I just picked two of my favourites of each from their extensive catalogues!
Quote from: TFM/FS on 18:43, 27 October 11
What do you consider modern? Must it be Starkos or is Soundtrakker ok?
I mentally defined modern as anything from 2000 onwards, regardless of music source. (Bootracker, Soundtrakker, STarkos, etc)
However, if there's a better way of defining it, then I'm happy to go along with that.
Well, in this case I may add the two Songs from Kangaroo made for FutureSofts upcoming Giana Sisters Clone. You actually have to play the WIP on a real CPC with stereo speakers for full enjoyment IMHO.
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:27, 27 October 11
Well, in this case I may add the two Songs from Kangaroo made for FutureSofts upcoming Giana Sisters Clone. You actually have to play the WIP on a real CPC with stereo speakers for full enjoyment IMHO.
These are original tunes and not remakes of CH's original soundtrack, I take it.
I wouldn't mind checking them out, is the WIP downloadable?
Quote from: tastefulmrship on 19:30, 27 October 11
These are original tunes and not remakes of CH's original soundtrack, I take it.
I wouldn't mind checking them out, is the WIP downloadable?
Yes, at www.futureos.de (http://www.futureos.de)
You can send me an email to "futuresoft at gmx dot de" and I send you the actual WIP back. However the soungs are the same. Different songs in Level 1 and 2. Sound for getting diamonds, dying and enter-new-level iirc.
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:47, 27 October 11
However the soungs are the same. Different songs in Level 1 and 2. Sound for getting diamonds, dying and enter-new-level iirc.
The level 2 song is definitely a remake of one of the most famous Giana Sisters SID (subtune 5) by ChrisH (famous if you're an Amiga cracktro fan, anyway). I don't know where remakes would stand as being considered "modern chiptunes" as they are based on olde-skool tunes. Don't get me wrong, though! K.M. has done a brilliant job, yet again, of converting the tune; making my pathetic attempts of chip-tune conversion look even worse in comparison! If I was being critical in any way, I'd say his Commando remake is still the best!
Nice work on the game though! It did crash a few times and I got stuck in the wall at the end of level 2, but the scrolling is very fast for an overscan screen and it plays well! Can't wait for the finished version. And you mentioned something about me being the first to get the "nude patch"... ^_^
Thank's a lot. Yes you get that patch first ;-)
Back to music, if I think a bit about it... well, show me one song that is not a remake/cover from songs from Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Led Lepplin and very few other bands (.... and Vivaldi and Bach). Hehehe!
The Giana tunes have been supposed to be close to the original, but it didn't work out that way. Haha. Feature not a bug ;-)
Quote from: TFM/FS on 04:49, 29 October 11
Back to music, if I think a bit about it... well, show me one song that is not a remake/cover from songs from Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Led Lepplin and very few other bands (.... and Vivaldi and Bach). Hehehe!
Now you're going into musical influences and preferences; which I think is a little deep for a chiptune thread. We could analyse all 11 of the tunes I mentioned above and dissect where the influences are and maybe even find sequences that are very similar to commercial music. However, to me they were composed this millenium by new-skool composers and I think they are memorable enough to be accepted by the whole demo-scene as examples of CPC musical brilliance. And may there be many more in the future.
EDIT: Post #FF
Now this leads us to the point I want to make.
If a song is "memorable", then it must be one that you like or respect, but it must neither be a totally new one nor a remake. Don't you think so?
For me it just counts if I like the CPC song or not, easy :-)
BTW: Have you seen Kangaroos Soundtrakker Songs? Guess it's some hundreds or so. Have no link now, sorry.
Quote from: TFM/FS on 18:55, 29 October 11
If a song is "memorable", then it must be one that you like or respect, but it must neither be a totally new one nor a remake. Don't you think so?
I like a lot of tunes, I think very few of them are memorable and, I guess, worth remixing. Without boring everyone with the same olde fanboy nonsense, OCTOPUS is a memorable tune. Infact, I'm humming it at the moment. I can also think of many musical genres someone could remix it in.
The next problem is;
define MEMORABLE!
Quote from: TFM/FS on 18:55, 29 October 11
BTW: Have you seen Kangaroos Soundtrakker Songs? Guess it's some hundreds or so. Have no link now, sorry.
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53684 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53684)
<--- Lots of CPC musics!I'm about 20% in and some of them are simply amazing considering they're only 3 channel, AY tunes! (Can't remember names right now)
Lots of commercials jingles are memorable, so there goes the argument :D
Quote from: Gryzor on 12:11, 30 October 11
Lots of commercials jingles are memorable, so there goes the argument :D
Other than the "118 247" advert created by the online retro-genius, Weebl; (
which I believe was made on a C64 or a SIDStation, but don't quote me!)
118 247 Directory Heaven 'EXTENDED VERSION' TV ad by Weebl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7gpnvcGIT8#ws)
I do not know of any commercial jingles created specifically on a CPC; either back in the day or in modern times. Most 'music producers' prefer the SID sound to the waveform AY/YM. Tempest's famous battle against Timbaland's plagiarism is testament to that!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbaland_plagiarism_controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbaland_plagiarism_controversy)
No, I meant normal jingles, not ones created on or after chip tunes.
My argument was that 'memorable' is not quite an epitome (@Bryce) of the quality of a tune.
I'm thinking about to create a ChipTune section in future remodeling of my ugly and seedy webpage.
¿Another YM tunes page/collection? NOp!!!
I'm considering the CPC *.AYC files. What do you think about this CPConly music file? Others are better? I think it is the standard file for CPCmusic (like YM on emu/pc platform). You find some problems with AYC?
Next will be *.VGM , I love the work of ValleyBell with that file. That alows me to rip MIDI data from Arcades music and supports many soundchips.
Well, according to the relevant wiki article, the AYC is just compressed YM, so what's the point?
PS Hey, there's no article on YM? Pity...
Quote from: tastefulmrship on 13:06, 30 October 11"118 247"
@ 0:47, the "bat" with an human 'badge" on it and it's "human" broken leg...
And the "chines crab ball on the table, with it's shadow (+hand shadow combinated) looking like a crab claw ! LOL
Well, what can I say?
Spider Murphy Gang - Skandal im Sperrbezirk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGzNoiB1cG4#)
Will take a listen of these when I get home today. I still prefer the sound of the SID over the AY, for me it sounds warmer and less harsh.
Quote from: khisanth on 15:22, 23 December 11
Will take a listen of these when I get home today. I still prefer the sound of the SID over the AY, for me it sounds warmer and less harsh.
Oh, you surely mean it vice versa. I prefer the AY too.
hehe no , SID all the way for me.
The Ghostbusters and Wizball music on the C64 really hooked me. Listening to the same tune on both the AY and SID, most of the time I prefer the SID.
Hi,
TastefulmrShip, "Autumn is calling" is not a CPC tune but a Speccy one. But the AYC sounds very well on CPC :-).
T&J/GPA
Quote from: TomEtJerry on 22:49, 30 December 11
TastefulmrShip, "Autumn is calling" is not a CPC tune but a Speccy one. But the AYC sounds very well on CPC :-).
Yeah, it's an amazing tune; thanks for putting me straight.
Maybe we should consider converting more ZX tunes to CPC; from personal experience (using VT-II & STarkos) it's a simple matter of dropping each note down 2 semi-tones. Though, I'm pretty sure not all tunes will conform to this overly-simple rule.
Alternatively, of course, we could just use AY-player on CPC! Voila! Instant MUSIC-DISK! ^_^
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After a rather boring Sunday of downloading 8-bit albums (http://www.iimusic.net/catalog), catching up with MLP:FiM (an Applejack ONLY episode? Why?), the 'comedy' New Girl (I'm sorry, but Zooey Deschanel in underwear is compulsive viewing), my recent Bubblegum Crisis/Crash downloads and starting my marathon Urusei Yatsura TV series viewing, I decided to make another 'mix' of CPC music.
This time it's the music from my original post... minus the Spectrum one!
CPCWiki.eu Presents The Most Memorable Modern CPC Chiptunes (http://www.filefactory.com/file/c124094/n/CPCWiki_-_The_Most_Memorable_Modern_CPC_Chiptunes.mp3) (Running time 48:29)
Ohhh got some driving to do tonight, this will come in handy!
8-bit albums... Check
New Girl... Check
Bubblegum Crisis/Crash... Check
Urusei Yatsura... Triple Check
Another 'mix' of CPC Music... Check
MLP:FiM...
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@SyX: Looks like your Kickstart ROM isn't fitted properly, try removing it and re-fitting it. If that fails, you might have a dodgy drive in that Amiga of yours :)
Bryce.
In case the Amiga B-drive doesn't work: Lift keyboard 25 cm, let it fall! Now everything will work perfect :o
Oooo, that's my solution for the C64 too, except you should let it fall about 25 metres, whether it worked before or not :)
Bryce.
Bryce, is that your trick for getting new SIDs for your sound card??? ;D
Quote from: Bryce on 22:25, 09 January 12
Oooo, that's my solution for the C64 too, except you should let it fall about 25 metres, whether it worked before or not :)
Bryce.
Well, my friend, I must admit your knowledge in hardware is way superior to anybody else. I have to get one of the test C64 from ebay, then I will check out your "hardware fix" at the next meeting in the mountains ;)
Quote from: Bryce on 22:25, 09 January 12
Oooo, that's my solution for the C64 too, except you should let it fall about 25 metres, whether it worked before or not :)
Bryce.
Eheheheheh :D :D
That (25cm, not m) was actually the solution to many STs, too. Wtf, all manufacturers did the same shite back then?