Dear Admins of this forum, please un-ban Leonie!
Everybody who wants to see our only CPC girl back, please support this petition!
I'll support it. I can't remember seeing anything offensive, or perhaps it all got deleted before I saw it.
The ban was lifted yesterday, as a matter of fact :D
That said, I won't hesitate reinstating it. @Executioner, indeed, I deleted most of her posts as soon as she posted them... vigilance is my middle name! :D Or you thought the ban was for the fun of it? :)
Well, for what its worth, I'd have backed the un-ban Leonie
I need proof that you are a girlie Leonie. Then, I can support the petition 8)
Quote from: ivarf on 14:50, 05 July 10
I need proof that you are a girlie Leonie. Then, I can support the petition 8)
I agree here.
I revoked her ban-status today.
QuoteLeonie,
We decided to revoke your ban.
We hope you see this as invitation to come back.
And we hope that you will enjoy posting here, but not too vulgar, please.
Regards,
The CPCWiki forum Team.
I think we are old enough to control this manually.
;)
(nooo Gryzor, please don't kill me now) ;)
Erm... I had unbanned her already...
Quote from: ukmarkh on 14:47, 05 July 10
Well, for what its worth, I'd have backed the un-ban Leonie
Sure, ok, but why?
The ban is broken, there may be a chance for humanity now...
You out there, use your time here wise, because it will be short...
Was she/"she" really banned in that other forum that was mentioned elsewhere?
He/She was banned for 2 weeks in Forum64.de cause of her/his rude speech and bad profile. Since yesterday he/she is active again. I am SuperMod in Forum64.de and asked her/him friendly to change the profile to a peaceful version, cause we have lots of guests and children in the forum. But she declined my request and we are watching her/him now. Well Leonie Big Brother is watching you, all your steps and IP's are monitored.
She/ He is banned from Kultboyforum.de too cause of her bad behaviour against other people.
Thats all what i know at the moment, but she/he always deserve a 2nd chance. Its now her/his part to use it.
Kindly Regards
Tom
Hello!
I´m back from holiday.
Tanned all over! :D
Quote from: Leonie on 12:26, 08 July 10
Hello!
I´m back from holiday.
Tanned all over! :D
Welcome back Leonie ;)
Funny that you always visited our forum as guest during your holidays ;)
(Greetings from Stockach)
Quote from: Leonie on 12:26, 08 July 10
Hello!
I´m back from holiday.
Tanned all over! :D
You look great! But be careful. The conservative forces don't want to see you "tanned all over" :police:
Quote from: Devilmarkus on 12:35, 08 July 10
Funny that you always visited our forum as guest during your holidays ;)
It is probably just a mistake?!
In German: Mensch Markus!Wo denkst du hin?Muss ich dich wieder in die Klinik bringen?Es ist echt nicht so wie du denkst, Markus. Ich kann dir doch alles erklären!Es ist echt nicht so wie es aussieht! Echt!Markus!Du musst mir glauben!Markus, schau mich an!DU KANNST MIR VERTRAUEN!Da war nichts!Ok?Ruhig! ruhig...ganz ruhig...
ROFL!
Yeah the "Really Oppressed Female Loyalists", wouldn't mess with them if I were you, they can get really nasty ;)
Bryce.
Quote from: Bryce on 19:26, 08 July 10
Yeah the "Really Oppressed Female Loyalists", wouldn't mess with them if I were you, they can get really nasty ;)
You got it! Down by law!
Permaban in 3...2...1...
Quote from: Leonie on 19:08, 08 July 10
It is probably just a mistake?!
Is it?
(http://cpc-live.com/leonie.png)
Quote from: TFM/FS on 18:56, 08 July 10
You look great! But be careful. The conservative forces don't want to see you "tanned all over" :police:
Don't forget the chocolates, roses, poems and lots of kisses.
Women love that!
Exactly... women.
Some men too LOLOLOL
I got the same Position of my IP Tracker in Forum64, so it matchs. Heya we are stalkers, are we?
^^
Regards
Tom
Well, people, we've seen that Leonie started the same crap just as she/he joined us again. So I'm asking you, especially you who voiced opinions for the unbanning, why on earth should we keep that member here?
It's obviously a disturbed individual we're talking about here, who has cause problems in other fora too.
For those who want to keep on flirting with a guy who poses as a woman, I could maybe allow her to only post in the Off Topic section... maybe.
Quote from: Gryzor on 11:19, 09 July 10
Well, people, we've seen that Leonie started the same crap just as she/he joined us again. So I'm asking you, especially you who voiced opinions for the unbanning, why on earth should we keep that member here?
Because it's funny ;)
Quote from: Devilmarkus on 09:36, 09 July 10
(http://cpc-live.com/leonie.png)
T...th...tha....that proves nothing!
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT?
I always feel like somebody´s watching me...incredible.
In German: Markus, du spionierst mir nach!
Vertraust du mir etwa nicht?
Das Bild beweist doch gar nichts!
Es muss sich um ein Missverständnis handeln!
DAS KANN NICHT SEIN!
Quote from: Leonie on 11:31, 09 July 10
T...th...tha....that proves nothing!
And he did all that using a cpc464... amazing!
Is that picture in mode 1? Big picture.. it must be overscan.
Quote from: arnoldemu on 11:35, 09 July 10
And he did all that using a cpc464... amazing!
Is that picture in mode 1? Big picture.. it must be overscan.
Wrong!
I did that with my Texas Instruments TI-33!
(http://www.xnumber.com/xnumber/TI/ti-33.jpg)
Quote from: Gryzor on 11:19, 09 July 10
For those who want to keep on flirting with a guy who poses as a woman, I could maybe allow her to only post in the Off Topic section... maybe.
Hey Gryzor, that´s going to far.
Watch your tongue!
Really:
I can laugh about Leonie's posts.
They are funny, sarcastic and rude ;)
Who don't like them, could ignore her or take a valium-pill.
(My personal opinion)
@Leoniealex:
Sofern du keinen Proxy benutzt hast, dann hat Markus das schon richtig gemacht. Wir haben Dich im Forum64 auch überprüft und kommen auf das gleiche Ergebnis. Sogar noch etwas mehr :-)
Das hat übrigens nichts mit Spionage zu tun, sondern dient der Sicherheit eines Forums. Solltest du Dich ungesetzlich verhalten, oder der Admin von seinem Hausrecht gebrauchen machen müssen, erfährst du das für gewöhnlich von einem Anwalt. Sowas gab es in der Vergangenheit des Forum genau zweimal und es hat zweimal funktioniert. Du bist extrem auffällig geworden, was deine Ausdrucksweise und das realtiv gewalttätige Profil angeht. Bei "Leichen aufschneiden" hört jeder Spaß in der Öffentlichkeit auf. Ich bin hier nicht der Richter, allerdings hab ich es dir zwischen den Zeilen mitgeteilt was los ist. Du hast den Ernst aber nicht verstanden.
Wie auch immer, das hier ist ein anderes Forum, allerdings würde ich grundsätzlich mal überdenken, ob Du nicht anders auftreten solltest, denn an der fachlichen Kompetenz deinerseits und der intelligenten Bildung scheint kaum Zweifel zu bestehen. Du hast ja scheinbar schon was auf dem Kasten, aber machst hier nicht wesentlich was draus. Ich finde sowas schade, wenn sich ein halbwegs gebildeter Mensch zu sowas hinreissen lässt. Es ist weder cool noch irgendwo sinnvoll. Foren sind nicht dazu da um irgendwelchen Schaden anzurichten oder den Ritter / Held gegenüber eines "verfeindeten" Computers zu mimen.
Der Konflikt C-64 / CPC ist so Asbach uralt, daß es einen Bart hat. Wir leben im Jahr 2010 und hier kennt nahezu jeder jeden und die meisten kennen sich hier sogar persönlich aus dem RL. Die 8 Bit Familie ist international nur sehr klein und der harte Kern kennt sich.
Wenn jemand jetzt partout auffällt durch Gewalt, Stänkereien oder auch extremes Auftreten in Fachforen, dann darf man sich nicht wundern, wenn irgendwann die Keule zurückhaut.
Sicher kann man sich jederzeit neu registrieren nach einem Permabann, gesetztlich gesehen ist das allerdings Hausfriedensbruch, darüber gibts Urteile.
Ich hab die grosse, grosse Hoffnung das hinter Leonie ein gutes Herz steckt, welches kompetent und intelligent ist. Und evtl. kannst du ja eine Menge zum 8-Bit Bereich beitragen. Fachliche Diskussionen und Erfahrungsaustausch ist ein grosses Gut. Und hier steckt eine Menge geballtes, weltweites Wissen hinter den Menschen.
Ferner appelliere ich einfach mal an Dich und würde mich freuen wenn alles anders kommt als man denkt. Frechheit siegt nicht immer und die Weisheit hat auch niemand mit Löffeln gefressen. Ich glaub einfach an das Gute in Dir.
Das war mal nötig zu sagen.
Gruß
Tom
Quote from: Gryzor on 07:51, 09 July 10
Permaban in 3...2...1...
You really lack a sense of humour.
Why are you so cold and dry?
Quote from: Gryzor on 11:19, 09 July 10
Well, people, we've seen that Leonie started the same crap just as she/he joined us again. So I'm asking you, especially you who voiced opinions for the unbanning, why on earth should we keep that member here?
A book was written that sums up why it stinks to ban certain members from this or any other forum... its called '1984'. And one word 'totalitarian'
.
Total mess ! this thread starts to be totaly amazing :laugh:
Finaly , mess is not only on French forums :laugh:
Quote from: Pentagon on 11:46, 09 July 10
@Leoniealex:
Hallo Tom.
Zunächst einmal: Axel, nicht Alex!
Axel ist übrigens mein Künstlername. :)
Davon abgesehen:
Ja, der Kampf der Titanen C64/CPC hat einen Bart bis nach Babylon.
Aber noch immer steckt dieser Impetus in mir, den die meisten Menschen verlieren, wenn sie älter werden!
Es ist mir halt noch immer wichtig!
Auf Kultboy hatte ich herrliche Diskussionen mit einigen Mitgliedern, vor allem mit dem bösen Retro-Nerd, meinem Erzfeind!
Wenn Retro-Nerd über Zynaps sagte, es sei eine "CPC-Ruckelorgie", tat mir das weh wie eine Axt im Kopf! Aber hätte mir das nicht weh getan, dann hätten diese wirklich spannenden Diskussionen nie stattgefunden. Denn wenn ein Thema nicht mehr wichtig ist, dann kommen nur noch seichte Diskussionen zustande.
Zum Thema Leichen aufschneiden und auffälliges Verhalten:
Ich möchte nicht selten die Leute einfach nur unterhalten - einige ausgetrocknete Zeitgenossen nehmen das aber nicht zu jeder Tageszeit als Unterhaltung wahr.
BTW:
Neben dem sagenhaften Retro-Nerd grüße ich an dieser Stelle noch meine zweite große Liebe, nämlich Herr Planetfall - ein toller Mensch mit einer tollen Mischung aus ernst und lustig.
...und Bubble "Cassidy" Bobble ist ein herrlicher, intelligenter Irrer!
At 4chan, there is a memetic copy-pasta : "TITS or GTFO !"... :P
when a girl appears... ::)
Oh, I broke my left foot one week ago and it still hurt...but i got better... perhaps it was a divine punishment because I'm french, fat and lusty....
Aber bitte : kannst du spricht im English ?
Ich fahr jetzt gleich durch Stockach. Ich guck mal ob ich irgendwo nen aufgeschnittenen, blutenden 64er im Gulli stecken sehe und werde dann Leonie zielgerichtet einen Besuch abstatten. :-)
Stimmt, Du wohnst ja gleich um die Ecke da.
Wieviel sinds? 10km? 20?
Von meinem Eltern aus, wo ich mich gerade aufhalte, vielleicht 15km. Von mir zu Hause so ca. 120.
I added a poll to this thread.
Please vote all!
I'm not that against pseudo Rude stuff, but this must keep a "kidding/joking" aspect...
And we know the limit is not clear and subject to variations from individuals to individuals...
also the Fact it is written... thus the facial language or the accentuations of the speech non existant.
And those are very important when you discuss and use Iront/jokes and so on...or not...
sarcastic or ironic is not always easy to spot when you are not seeing your interlocutor..
That's why Smileys were invented for perhaps. ;)
Or Webcams...
Quote from: ukmarkh on 11:53, 09 July 10
A book was written that sums up why it stinks to ban certain members from this or any other forum... its called '1984'. And one word 'totalitarian'.
It's interresting that you mention 1984 here... to explain: I've seen that movie (the original in english for sure ;) just a couple of days ago. Sometimes I ask myself if people today know "1984" at all... because todays situation in reality is even worse. But this is now offtopic here...
Coming back to the point/thread... I agree with you about 1984 and I also think about the old hacker ethic "the free flow of information". Who tells us how this "information" must look like? Do we need somebody to tell us... or are our heads big enough to have own thoughts?
About banning and so on... (and all questions of the universe)... IMHO the best way is always the golden middle way.
Quote from: Leonie on 12:24, 09 July 10
Wenn Retro-Nerd über Zynaps sagte, es sei eine "CPC-Ruckelorgie", tat mir das weh wie eine Axt im Kopf!
If this Retro-Nerd says that Zynaps is bucking, then someone should cut off his balls! I'll eat his liver!!! A fight for the CPC is always in gods will - disregarding the used means (and disregarding the appropriate god). It's a holy mission! If I get banned for eating a liver (of someone who is reviling the CPC) then I will be proud about this! 8)
BTW: Never eat brains of c64 users! They are not tasty and they are very hard to find, because of their size :P
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:00, 09 July 10
If this Retro-Nerd says that Zynaps is bucking, then someone should cut off his balls! I'll eat his liver!!! A fight for the CPC is always in gods will - disregarding the used means (and disregarding the appropriate god). It's a holy mission! If I get banned for eating a liver (of someone who is reviling the CPC) then I will be proud about this! 8)
BTW: Never eat brains of c64 users! They are not tasty and they are very hard to find, because of their size :P
!!!! TFM has Leonie stolen your login? ;) !!!!
Quote from: arnoldemu on 19:35, 09 July 10
!!!! TFM has Leonie stolen your login? ;) !!!!
Eh, well, I use the same password since 1991 and .... it has only 8 letters, 8 small letters, no numbers, no big letters. But I have to use this old password, I can't remember another one :-(
Use mine, it's ABC12345, I never forget that one, in fact I use it for everything including my online banking :D
Bryce.
Quote from: villain on 16:18, 09 July 10
Ich fahr jetzt gleich durch Stockach.
Ich guck mal ob ich irgendwo nen aufgeschnittenen, blutenden 64er im Gulli stecken sehe und werde dann Leonie zielgerichtet einen Besuch abstatten. :-)
In Karlsruhe lebt die Schwester meiner Mutter!
Warum schreibe ich das hier eigentlich?
Wird dieses Manuskript in einigen Jahren mal bares Geld wert sein?
Falls ja, wer verwaltet nach meinem Ableben das Original?
Kennst du Blumberg?
Da kommt die Sängerin Michelle her, und ich beinahe auch! (oh ganz wichtig)
Quote from: ukmarkh on 11:53, 09 July 10A book was written ...... its called '1984'...
Quote from: TFM/FS on 18:52, 09 July 10It's interresting that you mention 1984 here... to explain: I've seen that movie
Lol... ;D
QuoteNever eat brains of c64 users! They are not tasty and they are very hard to find, because of their size
Yes, the C64 CPU is somewhat... but hey, it compensates with Prothesis called co-processors... :D
Aww come on... even the shameless Sprectumist laught at us Amstradist... :'(
It's a greater justice to bash the Commodorks. :laugh:
QuoteMine is much easier: symbosux
Obvious and so true...lol...
Quote from: Leonie on 22:35, 09 July 10
Kennst du Blumberg?
Da kommt die Sängerin Michelle her, und ich beinahe auch! (oh ganz wichtig)
Sängerin? *rofl*
Ist das net die Frau, die heimlich Helium-Ballons kifft?
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:00, 09 July 10
Never eat brains of c64 users!
They are not tasty and they are very hard to find, because of their size :P
CPC-User-Brain Nutritional Information per 100 g: Protein: 50 g
Carbohydrate: 35 g
Fat: 15 g
C64-User-Brain Nutritional Information per 100 g: Protein: 1,4 g
Carbohydrate: 3 g
Fat: 1,5 g
Quote from: Leonie on 22:35, 09 July 10
Kennst du Blumberg?
Klar, vom Randensteig bis nach Hondingen und zurück. :-)
1984, eh? That's a stretch if I ever saw one, and laced with logical fallacies, too...
So, when someone tries to enforce some common sense rules, it becomes a totalitarian state? It may be useful to point out that even anarchist theory has many, and very strict, rules. There's no social or political (or whatever, for that matter) system that can work without preset rules. So please don't mention 1984 to me.
Middle ground? And what would be the middle ground here? Unban Leonie for a couple of hours per day so she/he can sow bullshit?
As for the poll: I'm sorry, but it's totally biased and it only presents one side. The point with Leonie is NOT that he/she posts funny/sarcastic/rude posts. The point is that he/she posts totally UNfunny, totally OFF-TOPIC, always sexual, NOT sarcastic (sarcasm requires some mental and wording skills after all) but simply gross and juvenile "jokes" and posts that derail entire threads with the help of some users who are thrilled at the prospect of flirting with a fellow geek "female". How naive can you be, guys? Really...
Just to settle this: this is NOT a freedom of information flow shit. This is about discussions staying on track, about keeping the minimum of self-respect and of a certain level in the forum. If you pretend this has ANYTHING, REMOTELY having to do with hackers ethic then you obviously need to stop taking what it is what it is you're taking and shake your heads. Leonie has caused trouble enough in other fora as well, so it's not a matter of my imagination, and I *will* ban him/her without second thought if the same crap starts again.
PS The first option of the poll is a non-option btw. Nobody said Leonis is posting to anger anybody, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the issue on hand. It could just as well have an option like "the posts annoy me, but the glaciers are slowly melting". This is merely deflecting the real issue...
Quote from: Leonie on 12:33, 10 July 10
CPC-User-Brain
Nutritional Information per 100 g:
Protein: 50 g
Carbohydrate: 35 g
Fat: 15 g
C64-User-Brain
Nutritional Information per 100 g:
Protein: 1,4 g
Carbohydrate: 3 g
Fat: 1,5 g
Summary:
c64 user has to work very hard to get overscan, and nice colours.
So they have much less fat in their brain.
CPC users have overscan and nice colours easily.
Interesting..
What colour are the calories in each?
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:19, 12 July 10
The point is that he/she posts totally UNfunny, totally OFF-TOPIC, always sexual, NOT sarcastic (sarcasm requires some mental and wording skills after all) but simply gross and juvenile "jokes" and posts that derail entire threads with the help of some users who are thrilled at the prospect of flirting with a fellow geek "female".
Da ich mir mein Englisch stets an den langen Haaren herbeiziehen muss, schreib ich das jetzt mal auf Deutsch:
Gryzor, in meinen Augen bist du mittlerweile ein ungemein widerwärtiger Zeitgenosse.
Ich bin immer Off-Topic?
Dann hast du eine bestimmte Anzahl meiner Beiträge nicht gelesen.
Außerdem habe ich niemals den Anspruch erhoben, hier in diesem Forum hochqualitativen, englischsprachigen Sarkasmus auffahren zu können.
Das wäre mir mit meinem abgefuckten Schulenglisch auch gar nicht möglich.
Just repeating myself, because I'm not going to get drawn into an argument:
permaban in 3...2...1...
Read it as you will.
Looks that something what I wrote some months again becomes true now. Again.
Quote from: villain on 20:46, 12 July 10
Looks that something what I wrote some months again becomes true now. Again.
You are talking in riddles ??? , may you can explain this in more detail...???
Anyway, nice to see you here Villain :)
Quote from: villain on 20:46, 12 July 10
Looks that something what I wrote some months again becomes true now. Again.
Heh... indeed: what? :)
Quote from: villain on 20:46, 12 July 10
Looks that something what I wrote some months again becomes true now. Again.
ah !? finally this thread would become interesting ?
unless her comments get personal with someone, I don't think that no one should take Leonie's comments so seriously, it's just the way she is
Heya mate,
Again you miss the point: It's not a matter of getting insulted or personal. It's a matter of (I'm kind of bored to repeat this... :D ) silly, stupid, sexual, off-topic and thread-derailing posting. You don't have to be insulting to get off-track!
I prefer Leonies posts over those mock-him-because-I-don't-share-his-opinion posts.
Quote from: mr_lou on 19:36, 13 July 10
I prefer Leonies posts over those mock-him-because-I-don't-share-his-opinion posts.
Thanks for your opinion. I always hoped someone would say this soon... If I would have written it, I would be watched again ("Kangaroo´s right hand!") now.
Quote from: Gryzor on 12:28, 13 July 10
.... It's a matter of silly, stupid, sexual, off-topic and thread-derailing posting. You don't have to be insulting to get off-track!
Well, maybe these "silly, stupid, sexual" posts have been erased to quick, so at least I'm not able to make my own picture about them.
About off-topic, there is nothing bad in beeing off-topic as long as people like to read the posts (and I had this impression). For being NON-offtopic we have the wiki itself.
Hey guys, relax, stay nice. Let's have a good time here :-)
Quote from: mr_lou on 19:36, 13 July 10
I prefer Leonies posts over those mock-him-because-I-don't-share-his-opinion posts.
Ahem... when exactly were you mocked?
But even so, you seem to miss the point that Leonie's posts are detrimental to the entirety of the forum, while your grievance is not.
Quote from: villain on 20:41, 13 July 10
Thanks for your opinion. I always hoped someone would say this soon... If I would have written it, I would be watched again ("Kangaroo´s right hand!") now.
You really want to go there? Come on man, if you want to discuss this, open another thread and do it, no problem with that...
Quote from: TFM/FS on 02:13, 14 July 10
About off-topic, there is nothing bad in beeing off-topic as long as people like to read the posts (and I had this impression). For being NON-offtopic we have the wiki itself.
Um.... no. Who told you that the forum is the playground of the wiki? This is not only a crazy assumption, it's also quite far from the truth. There's an off-topic forum in here, and even THAT is subject to rules. So if people want to post, or enjoy reading, off-topic posts, then they can all do it either in the OT forum or through PMs. And, did you know there are "general discussion" fora out there?
....
I've been online for almost twenty years now (FIDOnet rules...), and on the web since 1994. I've seen one too many fora falling apart because of what is happening right now: oddball members causing friction and others jumping on the bandwagon with their own, just or silly, grievances. This is why I'm not going to tolerate Leonie for long - it's all too easy to poison a community and I don't have the resources* to do it some other way.
And, I'll say it again: if you want to continue flirting with a guy who poses as a girl, by all means do. There are other channels for that. Just leave the forum alone, stop derailing threads with the least mention of flesh, get a grip and stop complaining about the most obvious and basic rules of any given community.
*Also: it's not like I don't read the german forum when I can. And while Leonie has stopped spamming in general, he/she still keeps up this behavior in the German forum (see the latest example about death threats in PMs and such).
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:29, 14 July 10
...he/she still keeps up this behavior in the German forum (see the latest example about death threats in PMs and such).
Death threats?
Oh my god...
...and there is nothing I can do, when I realise with fright, that the spiderman is having me for dinner tonight. Quote from: Gryzor on 08:29, 14 July 10
...if you want to continue flirting with a guy who poses as a girl...
As long as nobody gets an erection, we don´t have a problem.
Gryzor, maybe the problem is that we can't judge by deleted postings, because - well they are deleted. I visit the forum maybe once a week and the postings I do read from Leonie are not something I find offensive. However I got the feeling you are talking about the stuff I don't see. So how should I judge?
I do not think it would be wise to post a "hall of shame" of offensive posts as "proof". Thats just rude an silly. However not being transparent seems probelmatic as well. A dilemma. Right?
FWIW: I have been active on usenet for 15-20 years. On usenet you do have some moderated groups, but most are totally free and uncensored. While I do like the spirit of freedom, many groups are toally unreadable today and many users went away, including me. So enforcing the rules does have a benefit and comparing this with 1984 is really not approiate IMHO. Btw, TFM read the book! Much more depth than the film.
Nurgle, you're right in what you say, and I have to admit I didn't think about it: indeed, users may be reacting because they only see the more innocuous postings since I try to do a quick job out of them. My bad...
It could be, indeed, that such posts could be moved to a Garbage bin, as other fora do have. But I, too, think this would be silly and also, it would not give the full picture since out of context posts lose their meaning. It *is* a dilemma and, in my experience, an argument for a more "totalitarian" moderation of the forum. So I guess I'm taking risks here...
I used to frequent usegroups, too, and I loved it, but indeed so many dissolved for various reasons that, in the end, I went completely away.
I loved the book, but I also loved the movie - it's got its own merits. Very powerful.
You could always just leave them there until a few other users have "Reported them to the moderator", that way it's more democratic, whether the other users are offended by the post or not? Or does the wiki offer any other methods such as "Thumbs down", "Negative vote" systems that could be used?
Bryce.
It's an interesting proposition, until you realise - what would the cutoff point be? How many would have to complain?
I had given thought to installing a thumbs up/down system, but for various reasons it proves problematic; I've seen it at work before and, before you realise it, people start using it to push up or down persons they do/don't like, and it all goes to hell.
As for leaving them up there for longer: a moderator doing a good job does it before the public notices it. There's no point in tolerating something just to show it to others... And this points out the problem we're having now: that we're experiencing disruption, where none should be. This is what happens with such users, because it's not one or two posts you may dislike or find offensive or off-topic, it's the general attitude...
Gryzor, were you and Leonie once lovers? It sounds like you're taking the break-up a bit hard ;) :D ;D :P
Yikes.
Also, I'm getting married next month, so no room for wiggling...
Quote from: Gryzor on 15:24, 14 July 10
Also, I'm getting married next month, so no room for wiggling...
Whatever you decide to do...think twice.
Kiss,
your ex-second-fiddle Leonie :)
Sociopath: someone with a sociopathic personality; a person with an antisocial personality disorder (`psychopath' was once widely used but has now been superseded by `sociopath')
My doctor told me to drink less coffee.
Quote from: nurgle on 13:08, 14 July 10
Gryzor, maybe the problem is that we can't judge by deleted postings, because - well they are deleted. I visit the forum maybe once a week and the postings I do read from Leonie are not something I find offensive. However I got the feeling you are talking about the stuff I don't see. So how should I judge?
That's what I say. If I can't read it, I can't judge. So... everybody is not guilty as long as there is no proof. (Proof for what? That depends on the country you live in ,-)
Quote from: nurgle on 13:08, 14 July 10
I do not think it would be wise to post a "hall of shame" of offensive posts as "proof". Thats just rude an silly. However not being transparent seems probelmatic as well. A dilemma. Right?
There is no need to do bad things to other people - especially not from an "official" person/position.
Quote from: nurgle on 13:08, 14 July 10
FWIW: I have been active on usenet for 15-20 years. On usenet you do have some moderated groups, but most are totally free and uncensored. While I do like the spirit of freedom, many groups are toally unreadable today and many users went away, including me. So enforcing the rules does have a benefit and comparing this with 1984 is really not approiate IMHO. Btw, TFM read the book! Much more depth than the film.
Well, I know the book. And (read my postings again) I never compared 1984 and this. Don't put wrong things in my mouth.
Edit: May somebody of you can post here a link of "the rules" you're always talking about. Are they written down at all? Or do they exist only in the ether? Who created them? And why we should submit us to them? Have these rules been voted? Is there democra(c/z)y?
Let me ask one last question: Where is the influence on that rules, governed by the people of the Wiki-Forum?
We the people should make these rules!
Nobody of us was asked ever.
So let's make a poll about the rules here or face the revolution ;-)
BTW: We ARE already in "general discussions" here.
*sigh*...
This issue has been touched upon a few times in the past.
There are no specific rules, exactly because I don't believe in setting them down. This would mean that people could continue to misbehave by sidetracking the rules, and some of the rules would not be applicant in some specific cases. So there's no meaning in them.
HOWEVER, there's one major rule: common sense
"Nobody of us was asked ever"? Are you serious? So, what you mean to say is that when we opened the wiki and the forum we should hold a conference of sorts and discuss the 'rules'? Maybe ask permission? And, say we do that, what happens when the audience and forum membership changes?
This is a process of dialectics. We see what works, and we see what doesn't, and we all comment on it and see how things are going. That's how both the wiki and the forum have evolved. But there are some instances, like with Leonie, where very basic rules are broken and the forum becomes dysfunctional. In these cases you can't rest on 'democratic' principles, just like you can't go voting when you catch a criminal in the act.
What grievances in specific do you have, and what do you not like in terms of rules? Because "bring Leonie back" is not a rule, it's an action, after all.
* I've removed my last post as I really shouldn't have said anything. I'd prefer to just go about my own business and not get involved.
To be honnest , i think that whole story is stupid.Nothing personnal against Leonie or anyone else but there is something i don't understand.
I don't understand this suspicion against Gryzor, that looks like roles are inverted.There was a problem , he suppressed posts , the problem continued, he banned the person who caused the problem.
afaik , as moderator , he took a decision and does not have to explain why every 5 mins.
Unlike things i rode, forum is not a democracy where everyone vote for his friend, faultive or not.Everyone who want to participate have to respect minimal rules, explicit or simple fair use and sometime someone has to do the bad job : moderating.
@fano:
101% agree, thats also my honest personal opinion. The rules are the netiquette, thats usual since 20 years and if somebody dont understand that rules a moderator has to do a decision. The decision is made and done by gryzor and i do respect it. So somebody have to decide and thats okay in my eyes.
I am also online since 1990, i had a 24/7 BBS with 3 Lines and was in Fido / GerNet and Usenet. It was more restrictive then today. There are always trolls in forums but somebody has to kick them out.
And Gryzor is the admin of that here, so i have to respect any decision. thats normal in my eyes and need no extra explanation.
But this are just my 2 cents. I respect any other opinion.
Regards
Tom
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:18, 16 July 10
HOWEVER, there's one major rule: common sense
Sounds great to me. However, different people will not always have the exact same common sense, so tolerance is needed - and most often provided :)
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:18, 16 July 10
... In these cases you can't rest on 'democratic' principles, just like you can't go voting when you catch a criminal in the act.
Yes, right! But I saw no criminal act cause I'm not 24h a day in the forum, and sometimes I miss days or weeks. And if postings are deleted (there may be good reasons for...) then it doesn't become easier.
@ukmarkh: I saw your reply, and I wish you didn't edit it out as it was quite valid as an opinion. The problem is, as already noted, that indeed most people did not get to see the inappropriate posts because I like to think I'm doing a decent job moderating the boards. Leonie didn't even bother to defend himself, he just went on posting as if nothing ever happened, and this should tell you something. But indeed, it may have made me look bad:this is a cross to bear, I guess, because really I don't see any other way to run a forum.
@Fano, Pentagon: thanks mates. To tell the truth, I do feel somewhat hurt by the reaction and lack of trust from the part of some members, but I also know you can't ever please everyone and this is why I continue to discuss and try to understand and explain things...
@TFM: common sense is a much debated term and obviously cannot cover all opinions. But in this case I think we've set the common denominator quite low, allowing things to be very lax and friendly, and in any case: FUCK IT, THERE'S AN OFF-TOPIC FORUM ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, had to get this out of my chest.
To recap things and try to explain my actions:
-Leonie is a male individual
-Leonie is posing as a female member
-Leonie starts flirting with members like there's no tomorrow
-The vast majority of Leonie's posts are of sexual nature
-The vast majority of Leonie's posts (especially in the english forum) are off-topic
-The vast majority of Leonie's posts are of a very low level, but that's just a personal preference. I've never deleted a post from anyone just because I found it stupid or whatever. But coupled with the other characteristics it does show a nasty trend.
-Because I've been watching Leonie from the beginning I was able to delete most of his stuff before the rest of the members ever saw it. This may make me look bad, but if we want to keep the forum on track it's the only way.
-Leonie was warned, time and again, before action was taken. He never bothered to even reply, let alone moderate his behavior.
-And, let's not forget, this is NOT the first forum Leonie has been banned from, so I'm not the only crazy one here.
Now, I've been thinking about creating a "shame" thread/forum where to move such posts to, but I rejected the idea because it's the first time we've ever had such issues. There are now almost 11000 posts (wow...), and before Leonie I had only deleted a couple of posts. This goes to show how tolerant we are.
If you can think of a better way to run a forum, please feel free to discuss.
Thanks
G
Quote from: Gryzor on 17:43, 16 July 10
-Leonie is a male individual
-Leonie is posing as a female member
Did you ever see him?
Of course not. But I do have a couple of ounces of brain and have met enough women in my life to know how to tell one.
Ok, so maybe there's a chance Leonie *is* a woman, but it makes little difference, in the end.
[Edit] Come on mate, really? :)
Quote from: Gryzor on 18:40, 16 July 10
Of course not. But I do have a couple of ounces of brain and have met enough women in my life to know how to tell one.
Ok, so maybe there's a chance Leonie *is* a woman, but it makes little difference, in the end.
[Edit] Come on mate, really? :)
Gryzor, that's so funny! You're flitring with Sophie in the other thread - do you really think Sophie is a girl ::) I promise you she is! As much as Leonie ;)
Well, that's what's missing here:
b( ° )( ° )bs
And that's why all become short sightened and see in each new registered female user a fake :P
Quote from: Devilmarkus on 19:36, 16 July 10
Well, that's what's missing here:
b( ° )( ° )bs
And that's why all become short sightened and see in each new registered female user a fake :P
Don't blame me for your non satisfying flirting experience! And if you think she is a girl... let's talk about this in a couple of weeks, ok?
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:22, 16 July 10
Gryzor, that's so funny! You're flitring with Sophie in the other thread - do you really think Sophie is a girl ::) I promise you she is! As much as Leonie ;)
Erm... I'm *flirting* with Sophie? Man, if you can spot one ounce of difference in how I talk to her compared to other new members I'll give my right arm and leg.
Man, I wouldn't want to be the centre of your attentions if I were a woman...
I will talk the last word here and then we should close this unlucky thread to look forward.
GIRLS SHOULD NOT HAVE A CPC - GIRLS SHOULD PLAY WITH BARBIE DOLLS ;-)
and fake girls deserve a ZX-80 without a datasette......
Message of the day ..... closed :D
Kindly Regards
Tom
P.S: Let's look forward mates, we will find back to topic and thats the good old times on CPC. Lets do some new projects and peace for all !
I find one thing extremely funny:
Who started this thread?
And who changed his opinion now? :laugh:
Quote from: Gryzor on 07:36, 17 July 10
Man, I wouldn't want to be the centre of your attentions if I were a woman...
Well, thinking about girls... you're not exactly what I'm usually hunting. You really talk too much ... like most of the girls. But seriously, I can read between the lines, and it was obvious to me, that you did a small flirt with Sophie - even in english. ... no need to discuss that in deep. (TFM watches the WATCHMAN hehehe.... err, just by accident).
However, there are NO girls here! There will be NO girls here. And especially if a Pseudo has some knowledge about the CPC, it CAN'T be a girl. Undestood? In 1987 only 3 girls had CPCs and they are all retired now!
Therefore I had a lot of fun with Leonie, I never did expect her to be a real girl. But - well - it looks like others did.
So take it easy, and if you wouldn't always insist to be right, it would make you a more beloved person. (Gryzor, up to now I only carry a torch for you, but you must be more nice to be really beloved).
Have a great day all together, and don't mind. This topic can't be discussed completely seriously.
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:00, 09 July 10I'll eat his liver!!! A fight for the CPC is always in gods will - disregarding the used means [...]. It's a holy mission! [...] 8)
BTW: Never eat brains of c64 users! They are not tasty and they are very hard to find, because of their size :P
OMFG, Leonism must be contagious and have crossed the man-machine barrier twice to infect TFM/FS, using threads as a carrier. ;)
Maybe it's a seed prion, in an Ice-9 kind of way, triggering global outbreaks of Mad Forum Disease (or was it Community Collapse Disorder?)...