Your favorite daily application / tool on you CPC?

[Gryzor]

Oh it's already enabled, got to find the link tho

[ajcasado]

Oh it's already enabled, got to find the link tho

https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?type=rss;action=.xml

[Gryzor]

Oh it's already enabled, got to find the link tho

https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?type=rss;action=.xml

Yup, that's the one!

Now, I'll leave these posts for a few hours and then split them to clean the thread.

[zhulien]

A client for the CPCWiki forum would be awesome.

Wasn't there a standard, so that the same mobile client could access different forums and display them all in the same way on a smartphone?
I think even the CPCWiki forum was compatible with it, but I don't remember anything about it anymore. Does someone remember it?
If that would be possible and there is still an HTTP access (without S), it could be a nice project.
I was also thinking about a Telegram client (which may use a bridge or proxy).
And of course a Wikimedia client, which should be useable for both CPCWiki.eu and Wikipedia.org, yeah
I haven't been working on SymbOS network apps for a longer time, but this sounds interesting.

I already created 8bml for cpc to handle and already coded the server side for massaging at 8bitology.net

I also have coded in basic the ability to login and logoff etc in cpc basic, but if anyone wants to make a better 8bml client, I would then wonder how easy it could be to incorporate 8bml output as an option to this forum as opposed to creating a totally new one.

The issue likely would be, how many people would want to use it... so I'd suggest the alternative...

What if a simple few RSXs for AMSDOS... on ROM when wifi comes online, it would tell you you have a new message, perhaps beep.  And !emails to list them, !eread to read one !reply to reply to one. !esend to send a new one

Then you have basically instant messaging within basic.

A few additional RSXs later could enable the in-game lobby facilities for locomotive basic

Note: I'd use the 8bitology.net API, not 8bml for the RSXs

Iff Prodateon wanted to code the Symbos API and client and OffserT the FutureOS API i would code the AMSDOS ROM in parallel so we are all on the same page.

[GUNHED]

Of course PDT and TFM will support any coding approach for their OS.

[zhulien]

Of course PDT and TFM will support any coding approach for their OS.

Yes, Sorry I should have said TFM

[retro space]

Is there a Prestel client for the CPC? Then that program it would be.

[GUNHED]

Is there a Prestel client for the CPC? Then that program it would be.

Wasn't there one in the Amstrad RS232 ROM? Or do I mix things up?

Good idea anyway! 

[GUNHED]

Of course PDT and TFM will support any coding approach for their OS.

Yes, Sorry I should have said TFM

Doesn't matter   It's all about what we can to for the people using CPCs and related computers. 

[GUNHED]

Update for the comprehensive M4 SD card manager available:
https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/programming/futureos-corner/msg252354/#msg252354

Enjoy! 

[salvogendut]

I like SymbOS but I am not a fan of the Windows 95 aesthetics. So if I was the developer I'd change it to make it skinnable (so I can make it look like a copy of FVWM or another Unix/Linux wm with a minimalist look & feel). SymbOS desktop looks crammed and not very inviting to me. If it looked more like Linux and was less crammed I'd probably used it daily

[Prodatron]

I like SymbOS but I am not a fan of the Windows 95 aesthetics. So if I was the developer I'd change it to make it skinnable (so I can make it look like a copy of FVWM or another Unix/Linux wm with a minimalist look & feel). SymbOS desktop looks crammed and not very inviting to me. If it looked more like Linux and was less crammed I'd probably used it daily

Thanks a lot for the feedback. I had a look at FVWM...



...butt currently not sure, why this should be less "crammed" compared to the SymbOS desktop.
Maybe you have another screenshot, where it is possible to see, what you are striving for?

[salvogendut]

...butt currently not sure, why this should be less "crammed" compared to the SymbOS desktop.
Maybe you have another screenshot, where it is possible to see, what you are striving for?

In that pic you see a lot of icons because there are two docks with icons but normally the left one is absent.
I was thinking of something more like this where there is no docks (albeit a tiny small one with 2 or 3 icons is fine) :



Basically there are no icons on desktop unless you minimize an application (the two terminals you see in the bottom left are minimized apps) and all the other apps are accessible using a root menu when you right click on the empty desktop.

But in general if you want some inspiration, Linux has plenty fo interesting GUIS (Windowmaker, AfterStep, XFCE, CDE etc) you can have a look at this website: http://toastytech.com/guis/index.html

This is WindowMaker

[Prodatron]

Basically there are no icons on desktop unless you minimize an application (the two terminals you see in the bottom left are minimized apps) and all the other apps are accessible using a root menu when you right click on the empty desktop.

Ok, so you want to get rid of the taskbar, by...
- replacing the startmenu with a right-click root menu
- and icons for minimized application
The first one is easy to do,
for the second one could be a new feature of the extended desktop.
Having no additional icons on the desktop is not an issue, you just don't define any shortcuts.

I will put this on my todo list, thanks for your input!

[salvogendut]

Basically there are no icons on desktop unless you minimize an application (the two terminals you see in the bottom left are minimized apps) and all the other apps are accessible using a root menu when you right click on the empty desktop.

Ok, so you want to get rid of the taskbar, by...
- replacing the startmenu with a right-click root menu
- and icons for minimized application
The first one is easy to do,
for the second one could be a new feature of the extended desktop.
Having no additional icons on the desktop is not an issue, you just don't define any shortcuts.

I will put this on my todo list, thanks for your input!

Thanks man, I did not mean to criticize your beautiful OS, it's just some personal preference! Oh and we need a big analogic clock! I can't take any OS seriously which does not have a big desktop analogic clock!  

[ZorrO]

Don't you have enough clocks at home? In every operating system I use, first thing I do is remove all desktop gadgets and unnecessary icons, leaving only a few. Desktop is there to be nice for a while during bootup, and then it's obscured by several full-screen programs, and weeks pass before I restart my computer and remind my picture on desktop. Digital clock is on right down corner.

[St-BeidE(DE/GB)]

I'm fine with Symbos.  And that statement is not a result of the posts before... 
So I would have two wishes.
An even more improved Ewenterm, preferrably in Symbos.
An PDF "printer driver" for Symbos,  the way #Fujinet
offers, so you can download the produced file onto your Laptop and print it with your laser.

Stefan

[Prodatron]

Thanks man, I did not mean to criticize your beautiful OS, it's just some personal preference! Oh and we need a big analogic clock! I can't take any OS seriously which does not have a big desktop analogic clock! 

I am always glad about suggestions, which could make sense! Having the option to remove the taskbar has been discussed before already, especially since there is the NC100/NC200 port with their limited Y-resolution (and later Spectrum/MSX1 port). So it's good to collect some ideas for this.

Don't you have enough clocks at home?

Indeed we have enough clocks all around us, but yes, I always wanted to have an analogue clock, just because the Amiga Workbench had it  And maybe soon there is a new library which makes this more easy to implement, so it will be a good usecase for the new library. Oh and what's about these funny eyes, which are always looking at the mouse pointer

An even more improved Ewenterm, preferrably in Symbos.

An PDF "printer driver" for Symbos,  the way #Fujinet
offers, so you can download the produced file onto your Laptop and print it with your laser.

Let me check the PDF format again, I was always afraid, that it is too complex for an 8bit machine, but let's see... (Fujinet does it on "hardware" side).
Ewenterm, I wonder, if it will be possible to have a SymShell version with colour support in the future. SymTel is currently B/W only.

[FruityFrank]

If i had a rs232 interface, i'd try to hook it to my 'retroPi' style newsticker:

https://github.com/JeffJetton/retrofeed

[GUNHED]

I like SymbOS but I am not a fan of the Windows 95 aesthetics. So if I was the developer I'd change it to make it skinnable (so I can make it look like a copy of FVWM or another Unix/Linux wm with a minimalist look & feel). SymbOS desktop looks crammed and not very inviting to me. If it looked more like Linux and was less crammed I'd probably used it daily

Yes, that's a general problem of using windows, they just limit the screen and soon it gets crammed / chaotic. It's better to use complete screens which can be swapped imho. 

[GUNHED]

...butt currently not sure, why this should be less "crammed" compared to the SymbOS desktop.
Maybe you have another screenshot, where it is possible to see, what you are striving for?

In that pic you see a lot of icons because there are two docks with icons but normally the left one is absent.
I was thinking of something more like this where there is no docks (albeit a tiny small one with 2 or 3 icons is fine) :



Basically there are no icons on desktop unless you minimize an application (the two terminals you see in the bottom left are minimized apps) and all the other apps are accessible using a root menu when you right click on the empty desktop.

But in general if you want some inspiration, Linux has plenty fo interesting GUIS (Windowmaker, AfterStep, XFCE, CDE etc) you can have a look at this website: http://toastytech.com/guis/index.html

This is WindowMaker

Actually the first picture looks pretty cleaned up. That reminds me of Caruh the Multitasking for FutureOS - however with far different resolution. 

[salvogendut]

If i had a rs232 interface, i'd try to hook it to my 'retroPi' style newsticker:

https://github.com/JeffJetton/retrofeed

well there is ULIfAC which has an RS232. I have used it to connect to a Unix server using EWETERM. You could totally hook it up to a Pi using a USB to RS232 cable

[salvogendut]

I am always glad about suggestions, which could make sense!

I could totally give you a ton of ideas, for example something which SymbOS could benefit from is the concept of 'virtual desktops'. In Unix and Linux you can have multiple desktops (they are visibile one at a time, so you need to switch from one to another etc) and in this way you can have multiple apps running in different desktops without them all occupying one single limited desktop real estate. This would probably skyrocket the memory requirements though

[Prodatron]

I am always glad about suggestions, which could make sense!

I could totally give you a ton of ideas, for example something which SymbOS could benefit from is the concept of 'virtual desktops'. In Unix and Linux you can have multiple desktops (they are visibile one at a time, so you need to switch from one to another etc) and in this way you can have multiple apps running in different desktops without them all occupying one single limited desktop real estate. This would probably skyrocket the memory requirements though

That's also a nice feature, and shouldn't be so hard to implement as well. It won't use more memory, as windows in SymbOS are "object" based, not "bitmap" based (they don't store backgrounds or content as bitmaps, everything is stored as objects).
I was thinking about this some years ago, I should raise it on the todo list again...

[St-BeidE(DE/GB)]

An even more improved Ewenterm, preferrably in Symbos.

An PDF "printer driver" for Symbos,  the way #Fujinet
offers, so you can download the produced file onto your Laptop and print it with your laser.

Let me check the PDF format again, I was always afraid, that it is too complex for an 8bit machine, but let's see... (Fujinet does it on "hardware" side).
Ewenterm, I wonder, if it will be possible to have a SymShell version with colour support in the future. SymTel is currently B/W only.

Argh...damn, you're right.
Well... it could work on hardware side, if processed
by RSF3? Maybe Hans has an idea?

Stefan