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Title: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 00:27, 28 October 14
Hello I need help to repair my monitor is complete dead any suggestions ...?
I have already open I test the switch and the fuse and seems ok I m thinking for the transformer that has inside the 8142006T it is possible? To find somewhere ? Is anybody to help me?
Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Bryce on 09:54, 28 October 14
A couple of questions:

- does it make a whining sound when it's turned on?
- Can you feel static charge on the screens glass when it's on?
- If you turn out all the lights, does the screen glow when powered?

Bryce.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 11:51, 28 October 14
hello I m very glad to hear from you !!!!
the monitor is completed dead no noise no static no glow !!!!
any ideas ????
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Bryce on 12:44, 28 October 14
Hi Fragki-2012,
        here's what you need to go through:

Check voltage across CP501 (Connector coming from input transformer). You should be getting an AC voltage across pins 1 and 3 and across pins 2 and 4, both should give you readings 22VAC or less, but if the transformer is fried, you could be getting 230VAC here, so try to avoid touching the pins until you are sure what's on them. If it's 0V, the transformer has died, but the rest of the monitor is probably fine. If it's 230VAC or anything above 50VAC, then the main PCB probably hasn't survived. If all is ok, then you need to start checking the DC on the PCB. Check C509 (big 4700µf capacitor) and C510 (big 3300µf capacitor): C509 should have about 10 or 11V across it's pins, C510 should have about 18V across it's pins. If either voltage is missing completely, the the recifier may have failed. If the have a much lower voltage (less than 7VDC) then you probably have a short circuit somewhere on the PCB.

Bryce.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 12:49, 28 October 14
thank you very much but the transformer is dead  :o
where I can find one ??? or similar one ???
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 12:55, 28 October 14
so I need tow transformers from 220v to 22volt?? how many amperes??
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Bryce on 13:32, 28 October 14
If it's dead yes, but it's only one transformer with an (almost) centre tap. The outer taps would give you about 30VAC, the Centre tap divides this, so that from one outer to centre gives 18 /19VAC and the other probably gives 11 / 12VAC. These aren't standard values for transformers, so it may be easier to use two transformers to replace this one.

Bryce.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 13:47, 28 October 14
you know where I can find a similar one or tow so I can replace??
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Bryce on 14:04, 28 October 14
Is it definitely dead?

No idea where you'd find one. 12 / 18V is available, but not at the amount of amps this thing needs.

Bryce.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 14:07, 28 October 14
it possible to know exactly the output so I can search for a similar ? the one output is 12 vac? and the other is 30 vac ? and the other 22 ? and one common? im confused now it output 3 different voltages?
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 14:08, 28 October 14
yes it takes 220 but in output is 0 value
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Bryce on 14:14, 28 October 14
No it will be called 200V to 12VAC + 18VAC(The actual values of the CPC part is 10.3V and 18V after the rectifiers, so the transformers real values are probably 19V and 11V). The 12VAC ouput needs to be able to supply at least 3A to 4A and the 18VAC needs about 2A.

This won't be easy to find.

Bryce. 
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 14:26, 28 October 14
you know any supplier that I can order online? any link ?
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Bryce on 14:30, 28 October 14
No, I've checked my sources and nobody has one. I also wouldn't recommend a chinese one for such a safety critical part.

Bryce.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 15:48, 28 October 14
i find this :http://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/power-supplies-transformers/transformers/switch-mode-power-supply-smps-transformers/#esid=cl_4294967294,cl_4294513245,cl_4294513227,cl_4294956957,cl_4294957383,cl_4294513229
is any from this that I can fit???
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: TFM on 15:59, 28 October 14
Thanks for the manual. I will do that tests for my broken 644 too.  :)
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Bryce on 16:38, 28 October 14
Quote from: FRAGKI-2012 on 15:48, 28 October 14
i find this :http://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/power-supplies-transformers/transformers/switch-mode-power-supply-smps-transformers/#esid=cl_4294967294,cl_4294513245,cl_4294513227,cl_4294956957,cl_4294957383,cl_4294513229
is any from this that I can fit???

No, they are tiny Flyback transformers for switch-mode PSUs. The type you're looking for is going to cost about €50 just from the copper content alone.

Bryce.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: CraigsBar on 16:47, 28 October 14
New monitor time methinks.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 21:43, 05 November 14
the problem fix it my monitor is alive i replace the stk7308 and the resistor 5w 5,6ohms and the diode 30d1 and it works fine I m very lucky as I have a second monitor that works an a measure each part with the other and I find the solution very fast! :P
now I have 2 monitors  8) the test for the monitor pass successfully as it works 4 hours continuously whit any other problem!!

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Bryce on 21:51, 05 November 14
Congratulations. But that also means the transformer was live the whole time. Lucky you kept your fingers off it.

Bryce.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: FRAGKI-2012 on 23:35, 06 November 14
Thank you !
The transformer it was ok all the time !
But I'm wondering if is not where I can find similar one ... :o
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Bryce on 10:19, 07 November 14
The cheapest solution would probably be to use two small single transformers with 220V -> 12V and 220V -> 18V which should be much easier to find.

Bryce.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Stephan on 19:40, 19 April 16
Sorry for posting in this old topic. i have the same problem like FRAGKI-2012. If i turn on the monitor, it does absolutely nothing, only the 12V output is working and it make a whining sound. i have checked the voltage across CP501 (in my manuel its called L501). I got 230V. Does this means that the PCB is fried?
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Bryce on 08:40, 18 May 16
Most likely the HT Transformer (LOPT) has died or the capacitors associated with it. Unless you really know what you are doing, I wouldn't advise trying to fix this yourself.

Bryce.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: YuT666 on 16:16, 27 August 16
Hi,

similar problem and my question is - where is the CTM644's fuse? I looked a t the shematics, but i can't find a fuse ...

Thanks.
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: 00WReX on 05:49, 28 August 16
Hi YuT666,

There is a nice picture here that shows the main PCB in the CTM 644.
The fuse is pretty much in the middle of the board when looking top to bottom and towards the left hand side.

http://bilgisayarlarim.com/Amstrad/CTM644-2/CTM644-2_09.jpg (http://bilgisayarlarim.com/Amstrad/CTM644-2/CTM644-2_09.jpg)

Cheers,
Shane
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: YuT666 on 08:50, 28 August 16
Great, thanks. I'll check it soon. A last question. There's a SW401 switch on the pcb ... but for what exactly?
Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: Audronic on 09:26, 28 August 16
@YuT666 (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1870)

Its a "Service"  /  "Normal" Switch Please leave in the "Normal" Position

It is referred to in the service manual (9001001) SW 401.
Good luck      Ray

Title: Re: CTM 644 problem
Post by: YuT666 on 12:10, 28 August 16
Thanks ...

Strange. As i opened the case, the switich was in the "SER" position ...
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