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Title: Guess my Value...
Post by: talrek on 19:53, 27 September 15
Hi,
here is a resistor, i tried to find the value but i can't.
Colors seem to be : red red black gold white

But when i search for colors value, i can't find with white in fifth position...
Also when i use a multimeter the value is in MOhms, but it changes between 5 and 2,2 MOhms...

Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: Bryce on 20:13, 27 September 15
I think the mistake is in the sentence "here is a resistor".... That looks like an inductor, not a resistor.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: talrek on 07:27, 28 September 15
Quote from: Bryce on 20:13, 27 September 15
I think the mistake is in the sentence "here is a resistor".... That looks like an inductor, not a resistor.

Bryce.

thank you, this is a part of a Dk'Tronics Mouse interface. I don't understand its purpose... I mean why use an inductor ?

Also my problem is the value... I see 5 bands : red,red,black,gold and white.
but white in first position neither...

It is why i supposed it was a resistor and not an inductor, i don't know of any 5 bands inductor like this. Usual 5 bands inductors have always a wider first silver band...
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: reidrac on 07:55, 28 September 15
It looks like a resistor to me , 22 ohms, +- 5%.

Could it be a problem wit the multimeter or the probes? Can you verify it can read another 22 ohms resistor?
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: talrek on 07:58, 28 September 15
Quote from: reidrac on 07:55, 28 September 15
It looks like a resistor to me , 22 ohms, +- 5%.

Could it be a problem wit the multimeter or the probes? Can you verify it can read another 22 ohms resistor?

Hi, my Multimeter (Ohmeter) works well with other résistors no variable results... I thought about a faulty resistor, but i still don't get the value...
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: reidrac on 08:12, 28 September 15
My experience with faulty resistors is that they just burn and no electricity can pass through them; but it could be that is damaged and it may just have more or less resistance.

To be honest, given how cheap they are, if I'm not sure... I just bin it and get another one that behaves correctly :)
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: Bryce on 08:16, 28 September 15
Quote from: talrek on 07:58, 28 September 15
Hi, my Multimeter (Ohmeter) works well with other résistors no variable results... I thought about a faulty resistor, but i still don't get the value...

Can you post a photo of the circuit board so that I can see where it was?

Bryce.
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: talrek on 08:41, 28 September 15
Quote from: Bryce on 08:16, 28 September 15
Can you post a photo of the circuit board so that I can see where it was?

Bryce.

Ok thanks it gave me an idea and i found it was a capacitor !!!  :laugh: :laugh:
You can see on the pictures attached that it is connected to pin 1 and 3 of a TC4047BP and is coupled with a resistor and pin 2 of the same IC.

So i searched the datasheet, and tada !!! saw it was a capacitor  :D
If i read the colors correctly it is a 22pF capacitor .

So BTW if someone could modify the CPCwiki page for the Dk'tronics mouse interface, it is written there are 3 résistors (correct) and 1 Capacitor (i guess the eletrolytic one, miss the ceramic one )

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Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: Bryce on 08:59, 28 September 15
Glad you got it sorted. The base colour is what made me suspect that it wasn't a resistor. Back then they made inductors and capacitors in very resistor-looking cases, the only giveaway is that they usually used that funny green or mustard colour instead of the usual beige for carbon resistors or blue for metal-film resistors. The dodgy resistor reading you were getting was the capacitor charging and discharging from your meter.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: talrek on 09:07, 28 September 15
Quote from: Bryce on 08:59, 28 September 15
Glad you got it sorted. The base colour is what made me suspect that it wasn't a resistor. Back then they made inductors and capacitors in very resistor-looking cases, the only giveaway is that they usually used that funny green or mustard colour instead of the usual beige for carbon resistors or blue for metal-film resistors. The dodgy resistor reading you were getting was the capacitor charging and discharging from your meter.

Bryce.

Yes and to add to all this confusion, on the internet you have example of green resistor which is categorized as metal-film resistor.
But to solve this problem, i'll replace the capacitor with a "modern" one on the interface ;-)
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: reidrac on 09:28, 28 September 15
That packaging for a cap is awful :)
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: Bryce on 10:39, 28 September 15
Quote from: reidrac on 09:28, 28 September 15
That packaging for a cap is awful :)

They were a bit confusing if you didn't have a schematic, but they were actually quite robust and acurate parts. You still see them alot on old amusment and arcade PCBs. There were also glass capacitors that looked like germanium diodes!

Bryce.
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: talrek on 10:48, 28 September 15
Quote from: Bryce on 10:39, 28 September 15
They were a bit confusing if you didn't have a schematic, but they were actually quite robust and acurate parts. You still see them alot on old amusment and arcade PCBs. There were also glass capacitors that looked like germanium diodes!

Bryce.

Ahhh electrolytic paleolithic components  :doh:
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: Ygdrazil on 11:35, 28 September 15

I updated the wiki page okay?  :)

Quote from: talrek on 08:41, 28 September 15
searched the datasheet, and tada !!! saw it was a capacitor  :D
If i read the colors correctly it is a 22pF capacitor .

So BTW if someone could modify the CPCwiki page for the Dk'tronics mouse interface, it is written there are 3 résistors (correct) and 1 Capacitor (i guess the eletrolytic one, miss the ceramic one )
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: Bryce on 11:41, 28 September 15
This is what the old glass capacitors looked like, in case you ever come across them:

http://www.mrdwab.com/john/Whatsthis.jpg (http://www.mrdwab.com/john/Whatsthis.jpg)

Bryce.
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: talrek on 12:20, 28 September 15
Quote from: Ygdrazil on 11:35, 28 September 15
I updated the wiki page okay?  :)

Well, in fact there are 2 caps :
- Electrolytic = 1uF
- Ceramic = 22pF

;)
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: talrek on 12:22, 28 September 15
Quote from: Bryce on 11:41, 28 September 15
This is what the old glass capacitors looked like, in case you ever come across them:

http://www.mrdwab.com/john/Whatsthis.jpg (http://www.mrdwab.com/john/Whatsthis.jpg)

Bryce.

it looks almost like some diode to me ;-) hopefully the value is written on it  :D
Title: Re: Guess my Value...
Post by: Bryce on 12:36, 28 September 15
Quote from: talrek on 12:22, 28 September 15
it looks almost like some diode to me ;-) hopefully the value is written on it  :D

No, but the diodes only have the red stripe at one end, capacitors at both ends. I think they only ever went to 100nf anyway.

Bryce.
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