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Title: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: Audronic on 08:29, 11 November 16
Why do computers fail (Electronically)

Any Circuit the is connected to the Outside World or is Actuated by People.

Power Switch           Dirty Contacts.
Power Socket/Plug      Dirty Contacts, Dry Joints, Wrong Voltage Applied.
Keyboard               Dirty Keyboard Contacts, Dirty Ribbon Contacts.
Expansion Connector    Dirty Contacts, Blown Gates, Poorly constructed Cable.
Floppy Connector       Dirty Contacts, Blown Gates, Poorly constructed Cable.
Printer Connector      Dirty Contacts, Blown Gates, Poorly constructed Cable.
Joystick Connector     Dirty Contacts ElectroStatic Discharge from monitor, Blown Gates,
                       Dry Joints.
Video Connector        Dirty Contacts, Blown Gates, Dry Joints.
Audio Socket           Dirty Contacts, Dry Joints.
Volume Control         Dirty Wiper Contact.
Floppy Drive           Dirty Media, Dirty Head, Out of Alignment, Belt.
Tape Drive             Dirty Media, Dirty Head, Azimuth out of alignment, Belt.

Thats not much to go Wrong !
Ray

If anybody can add to the list Please contribute.
Thanks   Ray
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: Bryce on 10:19, 11 November 16
On the electronic side I'd add:

Electrolytic capacitors have a given lifespan. Many work well beyond this, but if the system was exposed to heat (mainly self created heat) or the capacitors were being fed with "dirty" (lots of spikes) voltages then the lifespan will be greatly reduced.

Passive components such as resistors and ceramic capacitors can last for centuries, the only thing that damage these are physical damage or if they were running outside their limits due to something else having failed.

TTL IC's are also pretty robust, but they only work between 4.75V and 5.25V. If the capacitors are getting old and the chips are regularly getting spikes above 5.25V they can die too.

Custom IC's such as the Gate Array. These were manufactured using a masking method that tends to be less robust than standard IC's. If there are weak junctions within the die, they can also fail when the junction gives up.

Another failure that the CPC luckily doesn't really suffer from is static discharge problems. On computers like the spectrum 48K, the computer was often being used on the carpet in front of the TV. Moving the computer or yourself on carpet causes huge charges to build up. As the expansion port is directly connected to ESD sensitive IC's, touching the contacts could result in instant death of your Speccy. The CPC tended to be used on desks due to it having its own monitor, inadvertantly reducing this ESD problem significantly.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: 1024MAK on 11:48, 11 November 16
Anything made by man is imperfect. Anything mass produced at low cost by man is far from  imperfect. Consumer rated parts (that make up items that people buy) is at a lower level than that!

There are many reasons why a system or part may fail. These include, but are not limited to:
And I'm sure I've left some out...!

Mark
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: Bryce on 12:19, 11 November 16
No, other than natural disasters and alien invasion that list is pretty much complete :D

Bryce.
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: 1024MAK on 13:01, 11 November 16
Quote from: Bryce on 12:19, 11 November 16
No, other than natural disasters and alien invasion that list is pretty much complete :D

Bryce.
Talking of alien invasion, that reminds me that at work early this year, in a remote equipment cupboard located in the countryside, we kept having an important communication system fail.

The cupboard contained a repeater amplifier system. A rodent (we think a field mouse) liked the warmth of the equipment. But it kept nibbling at the wiring inside the amplifier module causing repeated failures of the replacement modules on a weekly basis. Well, until we finally managed to block up all the possible entry holes and put bate down...

Mark
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: Bryce on 13:08, 11 November 16
Ah, that reminds me of one common failure that comes up quite often: Insects and small animals. Not really a problem in retro computers, but often found as the culprit in heating controllers, alarm systems and even coffee machines. Just recently I had to fix a power supply which had died when a Gecko decided to crawl into it. Unfortunately the Gecko bought it too.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: endangermice on 16:20, 11 November 16
QuoteAh, that reminds me of one common failure that comes up quite often: Insects and small animals.


Ah yes, that reminds me of what happened a few months ago. We were away and had some friends looking after the house. My mate called and said the PS4 was fizzing and refused to come on. Since he has zero technical expertise I told him to unplug it and just use the PS3 instead.

When I got back later that day, on taking it apart I found a slug had very neatly placed itself between the live and neutral inputs of the transformer. Sadly it didn't survive, but remarkably the PS4 supply wasn't damaged. After a thorough clean of the circuit board (slugs are amazingly slimy) the system powered on as normal. The slug had been acting as a huge resistor which prevented enough power from getting through in order to start the machine. Quite how it managed to crawl through the relatively narrow air vents remains a mystery....
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 16:40, 11 November 16
Quote from: Bryce on 13:08, 11 November 16
Ah, that reminds me of one common failure that comes up quite often: Insects and small animals. Not really a problem in retro computers, but often found as the culprit in heating controllers, alarm systems and even coffee machines. Just recently I had to fix a power supply which had died when a Gecko decided to crawl into it. Unfortunately the Gecko bought it too.

Bryce.

That reminds me of the spider nest in the Olson amplifier I repaired not so long ago...
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: dragon on 19:10, 11 November 16
This thread remember me what happend years ago here in a regional  tv station in directe :) . This cause is not listed.

Periodist bad day  :D .




This time she not have computer but its funny to view it :

Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: Audronic on 23:03, 11 November 16
Quote from: Bryce on 13:08, 11 November 16
Ah, that reminds me of one common failure that comes up quite often: Insects and small animals. Not really a problem in retro computers, but often found as the culprit in heating controllers, alarm systems and even coffee machines. Just recently I had to fix a power supply which had died when a Gecko decided to crawl into it. Unfortunately the Gecko bought it too.

Bryce.
Hi Bryce
We have a Verrrry old Electric hot water heater up in the roof.
The thermostat stopped working Because you could not have got 1 More Dead ant in the relay contact area.
They ended up opening the contact permanently until i removed them .
Ray

Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: MacDeath on 02:35, 12 November 16
Also 99% of non electronical failures are situated between the keyboard and the Chair..
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: robcfg on 12:31, 12 November 16
True :D
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: Gryzor on 11:03, 15 December 16
Since you have alien invasions and the likes in the lists, I think you all forgotten two of the biggest menaces: mothers and wives.


There, now it's complete.


T


PS mice have been plaguing machinery for a long time; there are lots of recorded incidents of incapacitated German tanks on Russian territory, their wiring chewed by country rats.
Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: AMSDOS on 11:10, 15 December 16
Sorry I thought you were referring to the Moth Computer Bug?

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Title: Re: Why do computers fail (Electronically) ?
Post by: Bryce on 11:12, 15 December 16
Actually Weasels are the big problem in Germany. They regularly chew through the wiring in vehicles if you live in the countryside.

Bryce.
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