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Started by namaman, 00:59, 30 March 25

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namaman

#100
Just checked those...they look to be spot on:

Pin 40 - 50.077 Hz
Pin 39 - 15.624 Khz

There is a lot of sync issues when timing the small CRT with my phone unfortunately. Please try to ignore that.

Audronic

Hmnnnn

I will have to have a think about that

Ok Last one:-

IC118 Gate Array Pin 11 should be SYNC to the Monitor (15.625 Khz)

Keep Safe

Ray
Procrastinators Unite,
If it Ain't Broke PLEASE Don't Fix it.
I keep telling you I am Not Pedantic.

namaman

GA pin 11 - 15.624 Mhz
...so looks good

Audronic

This is the LAST one today.

I am beginning to question the Monitor (or the lead) for part of the Problem.
Do you ave an other CPC available to plug the Monitor cable into ???????????

Keep Safe

See you later

Ray
Procrastinators Unite,
If it Ain't Broke PLEASE Don't Fix it.
I keep telling you I am Not Pedantic.

namaman

Yes...I have tried the monitor with my working CPC6128, and there is no problem. 
I don't actually think there is any issue with video sync. I think it's just the filming of the screen makes it look funky.

McArti0

Quote from: namaman on 23:26, 06 April 25
Quote from: McArti0 on 09:31, 06 April 25Ok check on the oscilloscope if this noise at ROMDIS is visible on Lines D0-D7 GA (i.e. Pin14 RAMs)
Checked on pin 14 of the RAM.
Looks random, but maybe there is a repeat pattern here.
All pins basically look the same, but with variations in the repeated patterns.
Add nCAS on other channel and set trigger on nCAS.
Show on analog scope.
Try d0-d7 pin2 pin14. 
CPC 6128, Whole 6128 and Only 6128, with .....
NewPAL v3 for use all 128kB RAM by CRTC as VRAM
One chip driver for 512kB(to640) extRAM 6128
TYPICAL :) TV Funai 22FL532/10 with VGA-RGB-in.

McArti0

#106
Next
ROMDIS Hi, bars

Scope on IC112 pin3, pin6. There should be no negative peaks.
CRTC pin 23 There should be no positive peaks.

IO must to be off. I hope so....

CPC 6128, Whole 6128 and Only 6128, with .....
NewPAL v3 for use all 128kB RAM by CRTC as VRAM
One chip driver for 512kB(to640) extRAM 6128
TYPICAL :) TV Funai 22FL532/10 with VGA-RGB-in.

namaman

Hopefully I've done this correctly.

(nCAS on top and set as trigger)

All the data lines basically look the same:



namaman


namaman

Quote from: McArti0 on 06:21, 07 April 25Next
ROMDIS Hi, bars

Scope on IC112 pin3, pin6. There should be no negative peaks.
CRTC pin 23 There should be no positive peaks.

IO must to be off. I hope so....


no reset?
and do I keep the nCAS trigger?

McArti0

CPC 6128, Whole 6128 and Only 6128, with .....
NewPAL v3 for use all 128kB RAM by CRTC as VRAM
One chip driver for 512kB(to640) extRAM 6128
TYPICAL :) TV Funai 22FL532/10 with VGA-RGB-in.

namaman


McArti0

Quote from: namaman on 06:42, 07 April 25no reset?
We take advantage of the fact that seeing the bars results in one memory read and two writes.
Anything else that happens is a mistake.
CPC 6128, Whole 6128 and Only 6128, with .....
NewPAL v3 for use all 128kB RAM by CRTC as VRAM
One chip driver for 512kB(to640) extRAM 6128
TYPICAL :) TV Funai 22FL532/10 with VGA-RGB-in.

McArti0

CPC 6128, Whole 6128 and Only 6128, with .....
NewPAL v3 for use all 128kB RAM by CRTC as VRAM
One chip driver for 512kB(to640) extRAM 6128
TYPICAL :) TV Funai 22FL532/10 with VGA-RGB-in.

namaman

ok...

pin 23 CRTC - 0V
Pin 3 ic112 - 4V
pin 6 ic112 - See photo (video on digital scope in next post)

namaman

#115
pin 6 ic112 (red)  nCAS trigger (yellow):

(Ignore the stopping of the scope here as the laptop it's running to is a little slow)


McArti0

#116
Ok What is IORQ pin20 Z80 doing at this moment?
With ROMDIS hi and bars on screen Pin6 IC cannot be Lo and IORQ cannot be Lo NEVER!
Also check if it is really ROMEN is very common Lo.
CPC 6128, Whole 6128 and Only 6128, with .....
NewPAL v3 for use all 128kB RAM by CRTC as VRAM
One chip driver for 512kB(to640) extRAM 6128
TYPICAL :) TV Funai 22FL532/10 with VGA-RGB-in.

namaman

Some other observations.
Doing the ROMDIS Hi is not always consistent in what I see on the video. Sometimes the "noise" moves like in the video, and sometimes the image has "noise" but is static (frozen), and once or twice I've got this (see image).
Also with the different video outcomes (above), the pulsing on Pin 6 of IC112 looks different. 


namaman

#118
Quote from: McArti0 on 07:27, 07 April 25Ok What is IORQ pin20 doing at this moment?
not much at about 4V (a little noisy)

namaman

also...here are the bars in colour for your reference:


namaman


namaman

Quote from: McArti0 on 07:27, 07 April 25Ok What is IORQ pin20 Z80 doing at this moment?
With ROMDIS hi and bars on screen Pin6 IC cannot be Lo and IORQ cannot be Lo NEVER!
Also check if it is really ROMEN is very common Lo.

Well, it looks like ic112 pin 6 is going Lo
IORQ looks basically Hi

McArti0

If IORQ is always Hi then pin6 and pin3 IC112 must also be always hi. You probably don't have pin4 of IC112 connected to pin20 of z80.
CPC 6128, Whole 6128 and Only 6128, with .....
NewPAL v3 for use all 128kB RAM by CRTC as VRAM
One chip driver for 512kB(to640) extRAM 6128
TYPICAL :) TV Funai 22FL532/10 with VGA-RGB-in.

McArti0

Also remember that the socket pin holes should be soldered to the upper and lower tracks. Originally there is a connecting tube in the hole. If you destroy this connection during unsoldering then you have to solder from the top and bottom.
CPC 6128, Whole 6128 and Only 6128, with .....
NewPAL v3 for use all 128kB RAM by CRTC as VRAM
One chip driver for 512kB(to640) extRAM 6128
TYPICAL :) TV Funai 22FL532/10 with VGA-RGB-in.

namaman

#124
Quote from: McArti0 on 07:56, 07 April 25If IORQ is always Hi then pin6 and pin3 IC112 must also be always hi. You probably don't have pin4 of IC112 connected to pin20 of z80.
it's definitely connected.

I don't think I destroyed anything. Chip Removal was very clean for every chip removed so far.

* Just checked all the connections from IC112 again...all seems fine


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