Not sure, maybe, probably....

Gryzor · 08:26, 10 March 10

Quote from: Executioner on 01:39, 10 March 10
Q, A, O, P and SPACE should be banned. No human can seriously use their thumb sideways for FIRE!

Where did that come from?

Anyhow, I think QAOP[SPACE] should be immortalised somehow. Maybe they should build a controller with just those keys. I can use my thumb sideways for fire with no trouble whatsoever, but then again maybe our generation mutated a bit because of it

MacDeath · 08:35, 10 March 10

QAOP+space was typicall of those 8 bit computers, Aamstrad's games of course, was it the same on other computers ?.

Main reason ?
well, first, those games used mostly only 1 fire button so it was suitable to use the space bar.

Also 464 and 664 had the arrow keys not well designed to be used in games (while 6128 and Plus keyboards are quite good).

And as we switched to PC, where the arrow keys are easier to use, or the wasd+ mouse + numerous other keys... We are no more used to the good old qaop.
Just too bad not that many games allowed a proper flaxible "redefine keys" option...

Also most consoles implyed the bad habit to to everything with thumbs...
When i play souldcalibur with friends, i'm completely ashamed to see those consoles despite so called ergonomic paddles, put a far to heavy empathy on thumbs...and it hurts badly.
While i'm used to keyboard+mouse on PC, a FPS with paddle is a pain in the ass to me...
The opposite is true to any consolefag.

that's simple : a mundane console paddle with triggers : you only use 4 fingers, your your thumbs to manage almost 6 button each...triggers are not that heavily used too.

Play station pads are not well designed so you use 2 fingers per hand for triggers...
And Xbox pads had one trigger per hand only if i remember well.

while a keyboard game would use almost every fingers...
Even a basic mouse would use 2 fingers+the wrist/fore-arm...

That's why the WIImote is so good : you don't get thumbpain and use almost you full upper body/arms...

That's also why I loved the SpeedKing.
It used a "natural" trigger for fire buttons (i had the 1 button model...) and direction with both wrist/armes in fact, not simply 1 thumb...with a natural position for the holding hand.

Yet it was a pain in the ass when you had games that needed an extra key :
Operation Wolf or R-Type...

also I played a lot too much (yound and fool) and the notorious lack of autofire on Amstrad, well...triggering could be quite intense too...

Also it is fun to see many girls using the modern Padds put on a table/surface, and used like a keyboard (some men do it too) yet not always good when triggers are needed in gameplay.

Also a difference between Computer games and console games...

Consoles were mostly used on family TV, in the living room... while computers were mostly on their own "workingdesk".
Consoles controllers were often designed to be used on a sofa with no support while computers joystiks where to be fixed on a table/desk.

arnoldemu · 11:00, 10 March 10

Quote from: Executioner on 01:39, 10 March 10
Q, A, O, P and SPACE should be banned. No human can seriously use their thumb sideways for FIRE!

Hmmm.. So what is your preferred key combination then?
Seriously it would be interesting to know.

On the BBC my favourite used to be:
Z,X for left/right
:,. (or equivalent on BBC) for up down. and equivalent of @ for fire.
BTW I am looking at a PC keyboard when I am writing this.

Executioner · 02:10, 11 March 10

Quote from: arnoldemu on 11:00, 10 March 10
Hmmm.. So what is your preferred key combination then?
Seriously it would be interesting to know.

On the BBC my favourite used to be:
Z,X for left/right
:,. (or equivalent on BBC) for up down. and equivalent of @ for fire.

Yes, many Amstrad games also had similar layouts as the BBC games. If not they had redefinable keys. A good compromise which works with all UK/US keyboards was Z,X,K,M and L. At least you've got a finger on the fire button

, and you can use left-hand SHIFT as secondary fire comfortably.

ukmarkh · 15:24, 11 March 10

Q, A, O, P and space all the way baby, and the copy key on the right hand side for the second fire button. Although I've just tried Executioners key config and it works just as well.

Gryzor · 15:07, 12 March 10

+1 mate, +1.

Devilmarkus · 14:28, 12 April 10

Still curious about this:
http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Mainboard_Versions#CPC6128_version_1.5_.28does_it_exist....3F.29

Why adding a "not sure, maybe, probably" thing into Wiki?
Better leave this blank and wait until really such a thing has been discovered.

Or maybe there has also been a 5ghz CPC? I am not sure but I think I will create a Wiki page.
Probably without photos and sure without text...

nocash · 15:21, 12 April 10

I really can't see problem? I know it's best to stay with facts, but what do you do if the facts are unknown? And why do you guys are sending that complaints only concerning my pages? Look here, http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Game_Over. The developer is unknown! Do you suggest removing the developer entry?

The mainboard page is under construction.
The Z70250 is listed on cpctech.org.uk
There are no other webpages or photos confirming its existance.

Choices would be:
- Omit it from the list & silently ignoring the other list
- Add it to the list & blindly trusting the other list
- Or marking it as not confirmed
First two solutions seemed very bad to me, so I've choosen the third. To be double-sure, I've also posted it in the forum. If the board does show up then it's great. If nobody can find it, THEN it should be safe to remove it from the list.

> Or maybe there has also been a 5ghz CPC?
Sure thing.

Devilmarkus · 15:23, 12 April 10

Quote from: nocash on 15:21, 12 April 10
I really can't see problem? I know it's best to stay with facts, but what do you do if the facts are unknown? And why do you guys are sending that complaints only concerning my pages? Look here, http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Game_Over. The developer is unknown! Do you suggest removing the developer entry?

Well, it's "Unknown" and not "Maybe Palace Software but probably Ocean, not sure if was Activision"

arnoldemu · 15:27, 12 April 10

Quote from: nocash on 15:21, 12 April 10
I really can't see problem? I know it's best to stay with facts, but what do you do if the facts are unknown? And why do you guys are sending that complaints only concerning my pages? Look here, http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Game_Over. The developer is unknown! Do you suggest removing the developer entry?

The mainboard page is under construction.
The Z70250 is listed on cpctech.org.uk
There are no other webpages or photos confirming its existance.

Choices would be:
- Omit it from the list & silently ignoring the other list
- Add it to the list & blindly trusting the other list
- Or marking it as not confirmed
First two solutions seemed very bad to me, so I've choosen the third. To be double-sure, I've also posted it in the forum. If the board does show up then it's great. If nobody can find it, THEN it should be safe to remove it from the list.

> Or maybe there has also been a 5ghz CPC?
Sure thing.

http://www.8bit-museum.de/pcb/index.htm?group=6&id=27#

I think I may have got this from this website.

It looks like 250, but really it is probably 290.

Now please take the fight outside before you break something

ukmarkh · 15:30, 12 April 10

Quote from: arnoldemu on 15:27, 12 April 10
http://www.8bit-museum.de/pcb/index.htm?group=6&id=27#

I think I may have got this from this website.

It looks like 250, but really it is probably 290.

Now please take the fight outside before you break something

The first rule of CPCFight wiki, is we don't talk about fighting in or outside the wiki

Kick his head in Marcus...

nocash · 15:46, 12 April 10

Great, thanks. That's why I marked it as not sure, hoping that somebody could help fixing that. And it worked, didn't it? Hmmmmm.... "It looks like 250, but really it is probably 290." now that wasn't me saying PROBABLY :-)

The "5" in 1985 on my board has a rectangular edge in upper right, unlike the round edge in the "9", which is missing its upper-right on my board, too. It's definetly a "9", but easy to misread it.

As you said, very good chance that that's been the reason for the Z70250 getting into the list.

nocash · 15:54, 12 April 10

Didn't fight. Only tried to explain why I think it's good to include "unclear" info in some cases...

> Well, it's "Unknown" and not "Maybe Palace Software but probably Ocean, not sure if was Activision"

Depends on. If there is conflicting info from different sources, I'd have no problem doing that.

Devilmarkus · 16:32, 12 April 10

Quote from: nocash on 15:54, 12 April 10
> Well, it's "Unknown" and not "Maybe Palace Software but probably Ocean, not sure if was Activision"

Depends on. If there is conflicting info from different sources, I'd have no problem doing that.

Right... you have no problem

But as 'user' I'd find it very un-attractive and boring like "The author wanted to write it, but didn't know"

Look @ this picture:
http://cpcwiki.eu/imgs/c/ca/CPC464_270100_Grimware_crop.jpg
They forgot the T in COPYRIGHT is this now the blue mauritius for CPC motherboards?

nocash · 17:42, 12 April 10

> But as 'user' I'd find it very un-attractive and boring like
Un-attractive... yes.
Boring... I actually hoped that somebody would add the missing info. Seeing it in that way, incomplete articles can be more interesting, since you can add your own info to complete them :-)

> "The author wanted to write it, but didn't know"
That sounds unfair, does it really look like so?

> http://cpcwiki.eu/imgs/c/ca/CPC464_270100_Grimware_crop.jpg
> They forgot the T in COPYRIGHT is this now the blue mauritius
Did they? Oh yeah, cool! The "2" vs "Z" looks misspelled, too. Funny board... looks almost like a third-party clone.

Devilmarkus · 18:58, 12 April 10

Quote from: nocash on 17:42, 12 April 10
> "The author wanted to write it, but didn't know"
That sounds unfair, does it really look like so?

This shows only my opinion about "not sure, maybe, probably".
It doesnt mean your personal creation of a page.

IMO: Why don't you use a text like:
This board is actually unknown, and it is not proven whether it exists.

This is a clear message without "not sure, maybe, probably"

nocash · 22:33, 12 April 10

Ah, okay. Then it's a known problem. For many years now, my father told me dozens of times:
Don't say "not sure".
But, didn't help, I can't get around doing that, sorry :-)
I'll try to learn... saying "not sure" is an unclear statement.
But if I say "I know that I don't know it for sure"
Would that be a clear statement?

Gryzor · 09:30, 13 April 10

I was a bit troubled all the way through until I read Marcus' last post. Yes, I think that 'rumoured' things *should* be mentioned, but clearly marked so, which was the case here. It's not bad, and it promotes searching around. But let's try and keep the 'personal' and first-person language out of the articles.

Btw, nice find about the missing 'T' in Copyrigh! I love the 1983 date...

TFM · 18:26, 20 April 10

Quote from: Devilmarkus on 14:28, 12 April 10
Or maybe there has also been a 5ghz CPC? I am not sure but I think I will create a Wiki page.
Probably without photos and sure without text...

Well, there is a 6 MHz CPC. It's in my parents house in munch. And I'm very sure about this ;-)

News:

Not sure, maybe, probably....