The Story of Amstrad CPC in Pixels...

[radu14m]

agreed TotO 

[chinnyhill10]

CPC (464, 472, 664, 6128)
PCW (8256, 8512, 9512)
PLUS (464, 6128)
GX (4000)
PCW (9256,  9512+)
PCW (10, 16)

The PCW is a different machine. I have no idea what you are proposing!

[TotO]

The PLUS too.

[chinnyhill10]

The PLUS too.

Go on, tell me why the Plus machines aren't CPC's. Despite being CPC's with an ASIC and a new case. Most interested.

[TotO]

There are enough to said about the CPC, to include the anectotic PLUS range.

When a book is about the Master System, they don't speak about the GameGear or the Megadrive, because back compatible.
When a book is about the PC-Engine, they don't speak about the SuperGrafX.
When a book is about the Playstation 2, they don't speak aout the PS1.
...

PLUS is not CPC. It's just backware compatible with.
PLUS programs don't work on CPC. That is the reason why it is not.

[chinnyhill10]

When a book is about the Master System, they don't speak about the GameGear or the Megadrive, because back compatible.

To run Master System games on a Megadrive you need a Power Base Converter.


A Power Base converter is essentially a Master System that plugs into the Megadrive. The Megadrive is not backward compatible without this. It is a poor comparison.


As this is the "CPC" wiki forum, therefore if we go along your train of thought all discussion of Plus machines should be banned here as well.

[TotO]

Why you don't speak about the other examples that not require any adapters? (PC-Engine, Super Grafx, Playstation 1/2, GC and Wii, ...)
When you want to run a 464 game on a 6128, you need a tape drive... Where is the poor comparaison it this case? 

Have you seen somewhere printed "CPC" on "PLUS" computer?
No... Because it is not a CPC, just a backware compatible hardware.
PLUS programs don't run on CPC... How it is possible to speak about games that not run on CPC in a CPC book? 

[chinnyhill10]

Why you don't speak about the other examples that not require any adapters? (PC-Engine, Super Grafx, Playstation 1/2, GC and Wii, ...)
When you want to run a 464 game on a 6128, you need a tape drive... Where is the poor comparaison it this case? 

Have you seen somewhere printed "CPC" on "PLUS" computer?
No... Because it is not a CPC, just a backware compatible hardware.
PLUS programs don't run on CPC... How it is possible to speak about games that not run on CPC in a CPC book? 

The Plus machines are just enhanced CPC's. A motherboard revision with a new ASIC chip and a new case. You don't get Amiga 1200 owners being excluded from Amiga publications because they have a few different chips in their machine.


Oh wait they aren't Amiga's as you can't play games that require the AGA chipset on a bog standard A500. Come to think of it you can't play games that require Kickstart 2.0 on the earliest A500's. In your logic an Amiga book would only feature the original A1000!


Madness.

[robcfg]

Madness?? This... is... THE CPCWIKI!!! 


Getting back to topic, the PcW16 seems to be an interesting beast that combines the original PCW high resolution, memory management and purpose with the screen modes of the CPC. That with a much faster processor, lots of RAM, VGA output, and support for IDE drives.


Strictly not a CPC, but as close to it as a Plus.


On top of that, it's nice to have the other machines for reference, as there's software that run on several different machines. (Many CP/M programs and SymbOS, for example. Btw @Prodatron , still waiting for SymbOS Mobile on the PDA600  ).


That's my two cents.

[Zoe Robinson]

PLUS programs don't run on CPC... How it is possible to speak about games that not run on CPC in a CPC book? 

6128 programs don't run on a 464 (which always pissed me off as a kid until I got a chip-swapped 464).

[TotO]

That is wrong. Most of the 6128 programs run on an 464 w/o problem.
Just add a floppy drive and for few of them a memory expansion...

[McKlain]

The plus are backward compatible with the cpc, the pcw is a different architecture.

[chinnyhill10]

That is wrong. Most of the 6128 programs run on an 464 w/o problem.
Just add a floppy drive and for few of them a memory expansion...

The phrase "having your cake and eating it" comes to mind..........

[TotO]

You just don't understand what is a hardware and backware compatible hardware.

[chinnyhill10]

You just don't understand what is a hardware and backware compatible hardware.

No, I just don't understand what are getting at.

[Zoe Robinson]

That is wrong. Most of the 6128 programs run on an 464 w/o problem.
Just add a floppy drive and for few of them a memory expansion...

Wrong. Totally wrong.


There are programs that will not work on a CPC 464 because it lacks the updated AMSDOS/Locomotive BASIC/whatever that the 6128 has. There are also programs that won't work on a 464 even if you switch out its cpu for a 6128. I know this because I have one sitting right next to me right now.

[CraigsBar]

There are enough to said about the CPC, to include the anectotic PLUS range.

When a book is about the Master System, they don't speak about the GameGear or the Megadrive, because back compatible.
When a book is about the PC-Engine, they don't speak about the SuperGrafX.
When a book is about the Playstation 2, they don't speak aout the PS1.
...

PLUS is not CPC. It's just backware compatible with.
PLUS programs don't work on CPC. That is the reason why it is not.

Well written ones do. Albeit with the extra colours and sounds turned off. Prehistork 2, Stryker in the crypts of Trojan, bumpy's arcade fantasy all run perfectly on Both Cpc and plus. If you take this route, then only 64k only games should be included because the 128k games don't run on all machines.

The plus machines are definately cpc's in the same way as an a4000 with a ppc processor and an a500 with a 68000 are both amigas.

You might not like them for whatever reason but they are definately still cpc's.

[Bryce]

That is wrong. Most of the 6128 programs run on an 464 w/o problem.
Just add a floppy drive and for few of them a memory expansion...

I think Zoe is talking about BASIC programs. BASIC 1.1 (6128) had commands that the 464 (BASIC 1.0) didn't have.

Bryce.

[Zoe Robinson]

I think Zoe is talking about BASIC programs. BASIC 1.1 (6128) had commands that the 464 (BASIC 1.0) didn't have.

Oddly enough, it's not limited to BASIC programs. There was one game (I forget which one) that wouldn't accept keyboard input from my chip-swapped 464/6128. I recall the explanation being that it was confused when the keyboard layout was different but that may be incorrect.

[SyX]

There are programs that will not work on a CPC 464 because it lacks the updated AMSDOS/Locomotive BASIC/whatever that the 6128 has. There are also programs that won't work on a 464 even if you switch out its cpu for a 6128. I know this because I have one sitting right next to me right now.

Which game? I have patched a few ones (Rocky/Rocco was the last one) , because the programmer decided to use the firmware 1.0 variables or calling to the firmware rom directly, instead of using the firmware jumpblock. Although they are easy to fix, it's so boooooring process

[TotO]

Wrong. Totally wrong. There are programs that will not work on a CPC 464 because it lacks the updated AMSDOS/Locomotive BASIC/whatever that the 6128 has.

It's less than 1% of all programs than perfectly run on all 464/664/6128... And you can fix that sometime with few pokes or by using the good peripherals.
You complain using exceptions to make a generality... It's just invalid arguments.

[Zoe Robinson]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[chinnyhill10]

The plus machines are definately cpc's in the same way as an a4000 with a ppc processor and an a500 with a 68000 are both amigas.

Exactly.

[TotO]

Obvious is the fact that PLUS is not CPC... 
Now, I have better to do than wasting my time here with closed minds.

[Sykobee (Briggsy)]

I don't see the problem of the classic PCWs being in such a publication, given that many Amstrad magazines back in the day had PCW sections or submagazines within. I think the NC100/200 could have a page or two too.