A look at all the 8 bit versions of Outrun:
I expect one member of this forum will be unhappy with what I say about the CPC version but I fear they are swimming against the tide! :D
Got my copy (with music cassette) the other day. I'll post pics at some point.
So looking forward to playing it when I'm home in a few days.
I'm going to hold off watching your video until I've played it myself but expecting to hear good things @chinnyhill10 (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=984)
So happy
@seanb (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1200) you might want to skip the rest of this post.
I know that 8-bit systems were limited, but come on. The Z80 ports of this were atrocious. Just proof that the companies only cared about getting a product out there to milk the brand, rather than giving their customers a quality game that they deserved. Racing games have been done well, so theres no real excuses.
I always preferred the likes of Chase HQ in the arcades to Outrun. Thank god the CPC port of Chase HQ was actually awesome.
Quote from: Carnivac on 16:01, 05 June 15
Thank god the CPC port of Chase HQ was actually awesome.
If by awesome you mean horrifically slow, repetitive and mute then indeed. :D
Still at least the cornering works. I'm looking at you MSX version!
Quote from: chinnyhill10 on 16:37, 05 June 15
If by awesome you mean horrifically slow, repetitive and mute then indeed. :D
Um... what? Is quite fast and certainly has sound.
Quote from: Carnivac on 16:46, 05 June 15
Um... what? Is quite fast and certainly has sound.
BEEP BEEP [Silence] BEEP [Silence] BEEP BEEP.
It's also not fast at all. It chugs along slower than any other version.
Quote from: chinnyhill10 on 17:13, 05 June 15
BEEP BEEP [Silence] BEEP [Silence] BEEP BEEP.
It's also not fast at all. It chugs along slower than any other version.
Are we talking about the same game here? I'm referring to Chase HQ which certainly has speed and a lot of sound.
Quote from: Carnivac on 17:15, 05 June 15
Are we talking about the same game here? I'm referring to Chase HQ which certainly has speed and a lot of sound.
Can't be talking about outrun either.
I imagine it is plenty fast and has lots of sound.
Can't wait to find out.
:-X
You'll be playing it on a real CPC right?
Quote from: seanb on 17:23, 05 June 15
Can't be talking about outrun either.
I imagine it is plenty fast and has lots of sound.
Can't wait to find out.
That's one of the best game i ever played, when you think it was on Amstrad... Got it by a friend developper when it was in beta stage, but i guess it can't be that different when released :)
Quote from: Carnivac on 17:15, 05 June 15
Are we talking about the same game here? I'm referring to Chase HQ which certainly has speed and a lot of sound.
Apologies! I misread it! Assumed you meant Outrun. There was someone on here a while ago trying to sell the virtues of CPC Outrun when it is clearly a stinker.
Chase HQ is great. It's Outrun that sucks.
Heh yeah. I was mainly using Chase HQ as an example of the same sort of game type (with slightly different gameplay) being ported superbly to CPC which just makes the Outrun port look even more shoddy and pathetic. :)
Quote from: Carnivac on 22:13, 05 June 15
Heh yeah. I was mainly using Chase HQ as an example of the same sort of game type (with slightly different gameplay) being ported superbly to CPC which just makes the Outrun port look even more shoddy and pathetic. :)
For all we complain about the CPC version, at least our version handles corners. The poor old MSX could have at least been a Speccy version with a red car but as soon as you get to a corner it jerks around. Its like the car is going straight, jerks, goes straight again. Such a shame.
The one feeling you get about both the Spectrum and Amstrad versions is that given a few more weeks it could have been a good game. Although I don't think we would have ever got sound on 128k models, US Gold being the publisher.
I'll review Chase HQ another day! But it's not secret that I think it's great on the CPC and Speccy.
OutRun sucked on all 8- and 16-bit home computers, so at least for once the CPC version isn't any worse than the rest. While C64 OutRun is quite playable, the graphics are also extremely simplified compared to the arcade and don't look much like it. Meh.
Oh well, at least the Amiga/Atari ST version looked great in stills, like so many games of that era. It's when you try to play them that the problems start. :)
Quote from: Morn on 00:29, 06 June 15
OutRun sucked on all 8- and 16-bit home computers, so at least for once the CPC version isn't any worse than the rest. While C64 OutRun is quite playable, the graphics are also extremely simplified compared to the arcade and don't look much like it. Meh.
Oh well, at least the Amiga/Atari ST version looked great in stills, like so many games of that era. It's when you try to play them that the problems start. :)
C64 version works but is rather hard on the eyes. All that flashing stripey roads.
If you use an emulator I'm told the Speccy version is quite a reasonable game if you turn up the speed. Obviously I didn't mention that as that isn't an option with the +2 I used for capture.
Quote from: chinnyhill10 on 00:39, 06 June 15
C64 version works but is rather hard on the eyes. All that flashing stripey roads.
If you use an emulator I'm told the Speccy version is quite a reasonable game if you turn up the speed. Obviously I didn't mention that as that isn't an option with the +2 I used for capture.
the amstrad version of outrun has nice graphics. It has a music on the title screen I believe.
If it was twice as fast it would be great. If you have patience it is possible to enjoy.
The c64 one has a good speed to it.
So I finally played my copy of Outrun
What a great experience.
Decided to listen to the audio cassette whilst playing and only a few minutes after I finally figured out the controls (only listed keyboard controls in the instructions was for the speccy) and started playing I was in such a nostalgic mood listening to the music that I stopped playing and simply listened to it.
That took me back. I can remember playing it in the arcades and imagine the palm trees whipping past me everytime I heard the waves on the cassette.
What a great time. I miss the 80s so much.
The game stinks. Wouldn't know where to start with the problems but at least the girlfriend doesn't bitch at you when you crash.
I can't be the only one who wished there was a way to throw her out of the car at top speed.
it is a shame it's so slow.
if it was like chase hq or continental circus in smoothness and playability then it would be a fantastic port.
I think it was the first by that team (ICE).
They went on to do Cisco Heat and Chase HQ 2.
My problem was the other vehicles.
Had it on easy for traffic and they would veer into your lane deliberately fat too often.
Too many times all the lanes had traffic in them and I couldn't get past plus the traffic was far too erratic graphics wise that they would almost completely jump across lanes.
You couldn't predict or follow them.
Chase hq got the traffic right
Quote from: seanb on 11:13, 11 June 15
My problem was the other vehicles.
Had it on easy for traffic and they would veer into your lane deliberately fat too often.
Too many times all the lanes had traffic in them and I couldn't get past plus the traffic was far too erratic graphics wise that they would almost completely jump across lanes.
You couldn't predict or follow them.
Chase hq got the traffic right
That all sounds pretty realistic to me, you should try my normal route to work!
Bryce.
I've heard about the autobahn :D
Well, in London you can walk over the biggest street an have 97% chances of survival.
In Germany try to cross a street: Life expectation: Less than 0.3 seconds.
Fun at side. The traffic situation REALLY depends where you drive. And there is not a single game able to simulate all the giant holes in the streets of New Orleans.
Quote from: Bryce on 11:19, 11 June 15
That all sounds pretty realistic to me, you should try my normal route to work!
Bryce.
You got erratic graphics on that route? Wow, super drugs.
Right, not much that hasn't been said about the CPC onversion before, but I really liked the comment at the beginning of the video, regarding the title screen: THIS is what it should look like in-game!
I remember buying this in 87 with my communion money. The mother went in while she was in town and bought the disk version... for a CPC464. So I was waiting days before it got changed to a cassette version.
I couldn't wait to load the thing up...
Saw the loading screen... so far so good.
Heard the music playing after the main portion had loaded... not bad.
Got to the title screen... this looks sort of bland.
Saw that I had to make a note of the counter for each level for loading. What in the actual fuck?
Game started playing... this is kinda shit.
11 year old me still tried to convince himself that it was worth the wait.
Now, 39 year old me wants to beat that 11 year old kid senseless! xD
@Shaun M. Neary (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=728) I remember getting a game as a child and trying to convince myself it wasn't all that bad and worth it.
For some reason those times of disappointment are good memories now.
Outrun on the CPC improves ever-so-slightly when you up the Emulator speed to 150% ;)
Enjoyed this, thanks!
Quote from: ukmarkh on 20:29, 18 October 15
Outrun on the CPC improves ever-so-slightly when you up the Emulator speed to 150% ;)
Enjoyed this, thanks!
The Spectrum version is actually quite good if you up the speed but obviously that's masking the poor coding to begin with.
Terrible and crappy game. I also fell for it and got cheated :( . I perfectly remember the case (not so difficult, I still have the game at home). It came with two tapes, one for the game, one for the music. There was also a document inside suggesting me to reproduce the music while playing :picard2: :picard2: . OMG, even the 9 year old me hated the game since the very first moment and, moreover, I had spent all my money in that crap.
Quote from: seanb on 11:27, 17 October 15
@Shaun M. Neary (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=728) I remember getting a game as a child and trying to convince myself it wasn't all that bad and worth it.
For some reason those times of disappointment are good memories now.
When you wait so long for a release, the amount of shit you put up with is insane.
I remember thinking the slow down of the 64K Double Dragon was worth it for the "good graphics"...
Then I saw the 128k version...
Double Dragon was one of those games where I'd played it in the arcade, played it on my cousin's Speccy and then got a copy for myself. My friends were all impressed by the graphics but I hated the game for being so ridiculously slow. It's one of the few times where I really, really longed for a speccy port.
Quote from: Zoe Robinson on 14:07, 31 October 15
Double Dragon was one of those games where I'd played it in the arcade, played it on my cousin's Speccy and then got a copy for myself. My friends were all impressed by the graphics but I hated the game for being so ridiculously slow. It's one of the few times where I really, really longed for a speccy port.
64ko or 128 ko?
Back then, 64k version.
Quote from: Zoe Robinson on 14:07, 31 October 15
My friends were all impressed by the graphics but I hated the game for being so ridiculously slow.
That was what happened to me countless times with my CPC games. Getting first excited with awesome screenshots on the Amstrad Action pages then disappointed when I finally got myself a copy.
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Quote from: remax on 15:00, 31 October 15
64ko or 128 ko?
"incredibly slow" sounds like the 64kb version.
Sounds like the Spanish version!?
The which is completely different and completely crap.
The only problem with the 'Good Version' is the poor palette decisions.
Plays really well other than that
If you think Double Dragon is slow... Play Double Dragon 3 :picard:
Quote from: dodogildo on 00:51, 01 November 15That was what happened to me countless times with my CPC games. Getting first excited with awesome screenshots on the Amstrad Action pages then disappointed when I finally got myself a copy.
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Funny you mentioned this, as I'm in the middle of reading the US Gold book and one of their tricks of the trade was that they'd get some of the girls on their marketing team to bring the reviewers out on the piss and persuade them into giving shit games bad reviews. Maybe they were't the only ones in on that tactic.
Quote from: Shaun M. Neary on 02:56, 04 November 15
Funny you mentioned this, as I'm in the middle of reading the US Gold book .
Curious about the book, what's its name?
Quote from: dodogildo on 03:20, 04 November 15
Curious about the book, what's its name?
The Story of U.S Gold by Chris Wilkins & Roger Kean
The Story of U.S. Gold (http://www.fusionretrobooks.com/product-p/gold.htm)
Excerpt:
"The most important person at US Gold so far as the magazines were concerned was Danielle Woodyatt, universally known as Woody. She was the press interface, and whether the game was great or a disaster, it was Woody who went out to wow the universally young male reviewing teams.
Tim (Chaney) says, and adds with something of a wink, 'and Woody looked after them well, particularly Julian Rignall and Gary Penn who were incredibly influential at the time. Geoff (Brown) was equally aware of his secret weapon. 'Woody was crazy! She could drink more than any guy. She was a great PR person. All the guys fancied her.' "[/size]
I want to see this Woody lass, I expect she gave all the lads a good Woody by the sounds of her,sounds an attractive girl.
(This said with a heavy dose of good ol' 80's retro sexism thrown in for good measure)
I doubt she was that attractive.
Its not as if she's having to win over film stars.
Still very shady on behalf of the reviewers.
That's what we paid for when younger and buying their magazines to be reading lies by sellouts.
Quote from: Puresox on 17:37, 04 November 15
I want to see this Woody lass, I expect she gave all the lads a good Woody by the sounds of her,sounds an attractive girl.
(This said with a heavy dose of good ol' 80's retro sexism thrown in for good measure)
For 1987, she wasn't bad.
But yeah, go buy the book, you ain't getting mine! :laugh:
Quote from: seanb on 23:43, 04 November 15
I doubt she was that attractive.
Its not as if she's having to win over film stars.
Still very shady on behalf of the reviewers.
That's what we paid for when younger and buying their magazines to be reading lies by sellouts.
Oh please, it's a classic case of what we know now as opposed to what we know then. Media was always corrupt, still is to this day.
A lot of the news channels that are funded by the state, therefore you get the state run spin.
Radio, ESPECIALLY in the 80s was rife with payola.
Software marketing the same.
This is business, and believe it or not, people go into business... to make money.
I'm not saying it's right, but it's smart.
This is hardly the same as Fox News etc.
We're talking about a special interest and people who are supposed to be in it because they are fans themselves.
Of course we expect a bit of "pressure" or a gift here and there for a more favourable review but to whore themselves out more than the bit of totty thrown their way and completely lie about a game and not even get something tangible at the end is beyond dishonest and stupid.
I hope she played them and never gave anything up for it because they deserve it for being such pathetic and easily manipulated fools.
There was zero reason for them to fall for this ploy. They sold themselves out.
The readers on the other hand didn't deserve their down and out lies.
Also we aren't talking about adults here.
The reviews were aimed at and most of the people buying a lot of the games were teens and younger.
They were largely shortchanging children.
Quote from: seanb on 17:00, 10 November 15
This is hardly the same as Fox News etc.
We're talking about a special interest and people who are supposed to be in it because they are fans themselves.
Of course we expect a bit of "pressure" or a gift here and there for a more favourable review but to whore themselves out more than the bit of totty thrown their way and completely lie about a game and not even get something tangible at the end is beyond dishonest and stupid.
I hope she played them and never gave anything up for it because they deserve it for being such pathetic and easily manipulated fools.
There was zero reason for them to fall for this ploy. They sold themselves out.
The readers on the other hand didn't deserve their down and out lies.
This is hilarious.
1) The amount of people who have jumped the conclusions that the marketing staff slept with the reviewers is rather pathetic. I'd say it's more that she took them out and got them pissed, rather than got them laid. That's their job, they're PR, marketers. Not whores.
2) Selling out isn't exactly an insult. Everyone does it. People like money! They like to be able to keep their jobs, pay their bills, etc.
3) It's just a video game review from 1987. No need to feel played just because you were a child then, we all were. Put it behind you and move on. :laugh:
4) Are you going to complain about your parents lying to you about Santa Claus & the Easter Bunny? Kids are lied to all the time, it's part of being a kid in the first place! (Strictly spoken as someone who was once a child, so I've plenty of experience in that department ;D )
I never said she slept with them.
I was quite clear about that but didn't want to rule it out as you never know.
They are selling out if someone stroking their ego is enough for them to give a bad game a good review.
Selling out doesn't have to mean money you know.
I was quote clear when I said if they didn't get something for it then they are pathetic and stupid.
Don't know how you've managed to jump to father christmas and the easter bunny but as you was complaining about buying bad games before you obviously never moved on yourself.
Keep making more of my comments if you wish but if you're going to ignore what I wrote and then quote me I suggest you ignore them.
Quote from: seanb on 17:16, 10 November 15
I never said she slept with them.
I was quite clear about that but didn't want to rule it out as you never know.
They are selling out if someone stroking their ego is enough for them to give a bad game a good review.
Selling out doesn't have to mean money you know.
I was quote clear when I said if they didn't get something for it then they are pathetic and stupid.
Don't know how you've managed to jump to father christmas and the easter bunny but as you was complaining about buying bad games before you obviously never moved on yourself.
Keep making more of my comments if you wish but if you're going to ignore what I wrote and then quote me I suggest you ignore them.
Keep your hair on. The only reason I'm hitting the quote button is so that people know (including yourself) that it's you that I'm responding to. Believe it or not, sometimes another response does appear from time to time in mid post, and it's easier this way rather than re-editing the post.
1) Never said you in particular, just going on the general reaction of that particular topic. Although by using the terms "I hope she played them" and "Didn't give them anything", you are insinuating it, regardless if you're aware of it. Your words, not mine. ;)
2) Of course it's ego. If you think games reviewing for mid to late teens in the 80s was for glory, glamour and riches, then you'd be sorely mistaken. Media has always been abused in terms of little to non payment. Again, the selling out comment insinuates money, again, your words and not mine.
3) Santa and the easter bunny are parents essentially feeding their kids bullshit to sell an illusion, A reviewer over-inflating a game and stretching the truth, to me are one in the same. And reviewing is subjective anyway. One's poison is anothers pleasure.
4) I hardly complained about buying a bad game. I never really went on games by reviews. I was an arcade fiend, so I'd buy mostly arcade or movie conversions. Sometimes conversions were good, sometimes they were shit. That applied on all formats, it was the nature of the beast. I knew that then and I knew that now. So there's nothing to really move on from in that respect, wouldn't you agree? ::)
In closing, given that I've pretty much addressed all that you've written, I'm hardly ignoring any of your comments. If I was, we wouldn't still be back and forthing now, would we? ;)
If you keep misinterpreting my comments its pointless to continue but I will say when you quote someone that means that's the person you're responding to and when you reference a comment that person made only confirms that.
You clearly don't understand what I'm saying and therefore this is pointless so I'll ask that you don't reference my comments in this thread alone anymore incase others don't understand because they're going of your interpretation.
I can't keep explaining them only for you to continue with your interpretation :picard2: unless you are twisting them deliberately which I really don't want to believe.
JFC guys. We don't need gamergate hysteria in here, please don't taint the hobby with their rabid conspiracy nut nonsense.
This game came out 28 years ago, it's way too late to be getting angry about it now.
Quote from: seanb on 18:41, 10 November 15
If you keep misinterpreting my comments its pointless to continue but I will say when you quote someone that means that's the person you're responding to and when you reference a comment that person made only confirms that.
You clearly don't understand what I'm saying and therefore this is pointless so I'll ask that you don't reference my comments in this thread alone anymore incase others don't understand because they're going of your interpretation.
I can't keep explaining them only for you to continue with your interpretation :picard2: unless you are twisting them deliberately which I really don't want to believe.
What's to explain? You're upset about a nearly 30 year old review being misleading! That's by your own admission, I'm not twisting anything. I don't think it's me who needs to stop responding.
Also, I'm fully aware how quoting posts work.
Quote from: Zoe Robinson on 21:14, 10 November 15
This game came out 28 years ago, it's way too late to be getting angry about it now.
This! She gets it!
Well she doesn't and you have to accept that people have their own opinions and blowing them up to be something they aren't because you disagree is misleading.
I take it when someone else in here has an opinion on something that happened 30 years ago you'll be as equally charming seeing as how we are talking about 30 year old machine people are going to have opinions that differ to yours.
If we aren't going to discuss what happened back then we might as well shut this forum down.
But that's just my opinion.
Gamergate :picard:
(Love the new facepalm emoticon)
Quote from: seanb on 12:11, 11 November 15
Well she doesn't and you have to accept that people have their own opinions and blowing them up to be something they aren't because you disagree is misleading.
I take it when someone else in here has an opinion on something that happened 30 years ago you'll be as equally charming seeing as how we are talking about 30 year old machine people are going to have opinions that differ to yours.
If we aren't going to discuss what happened back then we might as well shut this forum down.
But that's just my opinion.
Gamergate :picard:
(Love the new facepalm emoticon)
Yes Sean,
You're right... everyone else is wrong. :picard2:
Quote from: Shaun M. Neary on 12:21, 11 November 15
Yes Sean,
You're right... everyone else is wrong. :picard2:
Bloody hell, you still at it?
Quote from: chinnyhill10 on 12:24, 11 November 15
Bloody hell, you still at it?
Me? It took two the last time I checked, but I'm done. He can have the last word on a silver platter. :laugh:
Quote from: Shaun M. Neary on 18:27, 10 November 15
3) Santa and the easter bunny are parents essentially feeding their kids bullshit to sell an illusion, A reviewer over-inflating a game and stretching the truth, to me are one in the same. And reviewing is subjective anyway. One's poison is anothers pleasure.
what... :o
Christmas ruined.
:laugh:
Quote from: arnoldemu on 14:47, 11 November 15
what... :o
Christmas ruined.
:laugh:
Aw Kev... never changed, never will. :)