CPCWiki forum

General Category => Games => Longplays, reviews and other gaming vids => Topic started by: chinnyhill10 on 21:01, 10 June 16

Title: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 21:01, 10 June 16
CPC taking centre stage in this review. Has anyone ever discovered if Burnin' Rubber reuses any WEC Le Mans code?


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5KeS-ssyiQ[/youtube]


I got the game *after* my GX4000. Not quite sure why I bought it but never gave it the time I gave Burnin' Rubber. Interesting that the CPC version was done in house by Ocean by the Speccy version was outsourced.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 07:57, 11 June 16
Oh boy, did I ever love this game despite it's awful speccy graphics.
This one got bundled with 100% dynamite, as compilations began to lose their value around 89-90 when they comprised of either 3-4 games as opposed to the days of getting 8-10 games in a compilation.

It was the one to go for as a tape user when you didn't want to be stuck in multiload hell. Ridiculously fast too, but after the second lap, it started to get silly with the amount of computer controlled cars turning kamikaze.
Although a full pelt crash, that sequence was almost worth trashing the thing to see 'er fly!  :laugh: ;D
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: ivarf on 08:32, 11 June 16
Oh boy, did I ever love this game despite it's awful speccy graphics.
Spectrum owners can only dream of graphics like this.. I think this uses the CPCs graphics well and I prefer its looks to Chase HQ
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Carnivius on 11:23, 11 June 16
Nothing Speccy about that at all.   It's Mode 1 done properly with superly defined and animated car sprites with great detail and actual shading with colours which the Spectrum couldn't even begin to do without a colour clash  nightmare.   I think it's rather beautiful and those colours make sense with it's green grass, grey roads and blue skies and some lovely rainbow coloured effects in the top half from time to time.  It's one of my absolute fave CPC games graphically when it comes to Mode 1.

The C64 version though.. now that's ugly.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 13:57, 11 June 16
Sorry, but if I can see the background of the track in the car, it's speccy graphics.
Strider on the other hand was a perfect example of Mode 1 used correctly.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Carnivius on 14:06, 11 June 16
Are you kidding?  You do not see the background of the track in the car. at all.  It shares the grey colour with the road but that is it.  The car is not transparent. When it goes off road it doesn't become overwhelmingly green.  It just keeps the green that was used as a dark shade in the rather nice coloring job on the car sprites

And Strider IS a speccy port!!!  It's got the same graphics copied over with some basic colour fills.  Not even well chosen colours.  Strider is not meant to be in bright pink!



 :picard:
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: seanb on 14:38, 11 June 16
I liked the graphics for this game but the only thing I didn't like was the colours used but after seeing the speccy and cpc game side by side I appreciate the cpc's graphics more.


Good game and I had lots of fun with it.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: arnoldemu on 15:05, 11 June 16
Sorry, but if I can see the background of the track in the car, it's speccy graphics.
Strider on the other hand was a perfect example of Mode 1 used correctly.
Shaun you need your eyes checking!  ;D

Strider is a perfect use of mode 1? Really? The backgrounds are basically 1 colour the sprites are ok.

(I'm guessing it's like Ghosts n Goblins but in mode 1. 2 colours for background, other colours being used for sprites.)

It is nice in a way that the sprites stand out from the background, but I would like more colour in the background to be honest.

Now, wec le mans.. we're talking the same game here on cpc aren't we? The sprites are nice, the road is nice. The trees don't mask well with the background but the rest does. I'm not sure what you're on about.


Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 15:11, 11 June 16
Oh boy, did I ever love this game despite it's awful speccy graphics.


They are CPC graphics. The Spectrum graphics are entirely different.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 15:19, 11 June 16
Sorry, but if I can see the background of the track in the car, it's speccy graphics.


You can't. The car remains solid when you go on the grass. There is no attribute clash. The game demonstrates a perfectly valid use of the CPC's mode 1.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 16:52, 11 June 16

And Strider IS a speccy port!!!  It's got the same graphics copied over with some basic colour fills.  Not even well chosen colours.  Strider is not meant to be in bright pink!



 :picard:

Strider was purple and orange!!
And *I* need *MY* eyes checked?  :o
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 16:54, 11 June 16
Shaun you need your eyes checking!  ;D

Strider is a perfect use of mode 1? Really? The backgrounds are basically 1 colour the sprites are ok.

(I'm guessing it's like Ghosts n Goblins but in mode 1. 2 colours for background, other colours being used for sprites.)

It is nice in a way that the sprites stand out from the background, but I would like more colour in the background to be honest.

Now, wec le mans.. we're talking the same game here on cpc aren't we? The sprites are nice, the road is nice. The trees don't mask well with the background but the rest does. I'm not sure what you're on about.


You can't. The car remains solid when you go on the grass. There is no attribute clash. The game demonstrates a perfectly valid use of the CPC's mode 1.


OK, I'll stand corrected on the sprites and the speccy comment.
But that colour scheme was not great though either. For the use of mode 1, it was rather drab looking.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Carnivius on 17:58, 11 June 16
Strider was purple and orange!!
And *I* need *MY* eyes checked?  :o

Technically it's a bright magenta or even perhaps fuchsia (would need to be a lot bluer to be the CPC's purple) and Strider is meant to be wear blue (and have brown hair).  Almost any of the CPC's variety of blues would have been a better choice both looking more accurate to the costume and make the game generally look better. They got the colours right for their own non-Capcom-involved sequel though where they used Mode 0 instead and they actually put effort into creating proper CPC graphics.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Puresox on 15:14, 12 June 16
I think WEC LeMans on the CPC is an astounding game . I like it just as much and in different ways to how I like Burnin Rubber. I think the graphics are really well done and the colours look very stylish .However when I first saw it , years ago I was pretty dismissive of it and thought it looked very spectrum like . I think the CPC version is the best out of the 8bit ports . The gameplay is well balanced and has a good progression of difficulty that keeps you honing those skills. Love the way you get higher speeds on down hill gradients . And how it sometimes gives you the impression of slipstreaming. Music is pretty decent , sound effects not bad , the other cars crashing into each other and collecting damage was a nice touch and looks great graphically . Controls also are spot on.
Spectrum version is pretty good , not as keen on the car design though CPC version looks the part . Speccy's looks squashed sideways . They both blow away the C64 version which is just abysmal in everyway . MSX is adequate.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: sigh on 18:47, 13 June 16
Nice review of the WEC Le Mans.

I'm also in huge agreement that the mode 1 graphics on the CPC look really nice. The 4 colours they chose to use in this game couldn't have been easy to pick, but I think that they made some great choices here. The vehicles are really nicely drawn and though the design differs from the arcade version, I actually prefer the look of these cars.

The spectrum version looks super smooth and I agree that it actually looks smoother than Chase HQ. A fast and brilliant version.

The C64 - not too sure what happened here. There are some decent racers on this machine, but it seems it may need to involve a lot more technical coding and planning as they are few and far between.

The MSX is a machine that I would love to own as it has great specs, but the ports of many games are underwhelming. While pretty good for a port, a version built from the ground up would of been way better.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Puresox on 00:51, 14 June 16
^^^^^^^^MSX, European games for the machine are a disgrace (similar to the CPC) Japanese offerings and cartridge games are astounding and show the machine to be a quality 8-Bit . Shame the Carts are Very expensive. Plus NTSC and PAL issue no doubt, also Japanese language barrier
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Joseman on 02:38, 14 June 16
^^^^^^^^MSX, European games for the machine are a disgrace (similar to the CPC)

What european games / companies?

MSX users seems to have the obsession to blame on everthing but his machine (a failure)...

I think that it's a disrespect to the Amstrad CPC comparing the awful game library of the MSX with the excellent that the CPC has on Spain, France, England, etc.

The MSX library is nearly a joke, at least the CPC has good games with graphics properly made and properly coded, here in spain almost the 100% MSX -> 1%, in France almost 100% MSX ->1%, England CPC 70%-80%, MSX -> 1%

Let us be serious.


Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 02:45, 14 June 16
Technically it's a bright magenta or even perhaps fuchsia (would need to be a lot bluer to be the CPC's purple) and Strider is meant to be wear blue (and have brown hair).  Almost any of the CPC's variety of blues would have been a better choice both looking more accurate to the costume and make the game generally look better. They got the colours right for their own non-Capcom-involved sequel though where they used Mode 0 instead and they actually put effort into creating proper CPC graphics.


I thought Strider 2 was a god-awful mess, graphics wise, nowhere near as clean as it's mode 1 prequel. It was also ridiculously easy too. I think I finished it on my second attempt.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Puresox on 02:54, 14 June 16
I'll agree to differ then . European meaning British /France Germny etc games. MSX exclusives were top games Quality over quantity. Amstrad Has plenty of duds , beautiful graphics  stodgy gameplay . European catering for MSX was just Speccy ports. I am not interested in commercial success of any 8-Bit machine. Talking about game quality . Which is very high for Japanese made MSX designated games.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Puresox on 02:55, 14 June 16
Let us be serious. You say . Surely joke when combined with those statements
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Joseman on 11:20, 14 June 16
Which is very high for Japanese made MSX designated games.

you see? again and again with the same answer... Japanese Games...

removing the childish Japanese games... how many games remain? 5 - 6?

I repeat, this is not serious

and less it you try to compare with the CPC catalogue


Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: robcfg on 11:39, 14 June 16
Let me think about it a bit.


Penguin Adventure, Gradius, Gradius II, Salamander, Treasure of Usas, Knightmare, King's Valley, Metal Gear, Space Mambow, Vampire Killer, SD Snatcher, Maze of Galious...



We're not comparing MSX with CPC, but japanese games were almost always top quality games while the MSX suffered (as the CPC did) from speccy ports.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Bryce on 11:45, 14 June 16
I have Penguin Adventure on Cartridge for my MSX. Very simple, but very enjoyable time waster.

Bryce.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: robcfg on 11:47, 14 June 16
Heh, Penguin Adventure is a great game!


Nice graphics, catchy tunes, very good playability... A true classic.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Puresox on 12:36, 14 June 16
you see? again and again with the same answer... Japanese Games...

removing the childish Japanese games... how many games remain? 5 - 6?

I repeat, this is not serious

and less it you try to compare with the CPC catalogue
I really don't know what your issue is ? What argument are you trying to construct? If you don't like the MSX . Then thats your preference. You seem to be making an argument out of nothing though.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Carnivius on 15:14, 14 June 16

I thought Strider 2 was a god-awful mess, graphics wise, nowhere near as clean as it's mode 1 prequel. It was also ridiculously easy too. I think I finished it on my second attempt.

I'll agree it was easy but I enjoyed it a lot and I thought it had decent graphics with good shading, sense of depth, correct colours and genuine use of CPC-focuses graphic designing.   Strider 1 was a cheap lazy ugly disappointing piece of crud that could have been a hell of a lot more arcade accurate if they'd put in some effort redoing it for the CPC rather than crapping it out of as a Speccy port like they couldn't be bothered.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Joseman on 19:44, 14 June 16
I really don't know what your issue is ? What argument are you trying to construct? If you don't like the MSX . Then thats your preference. You seem to be making an argument out of nothing though.

The problem is that this morning i didn't take the medication, because of that, sometimes i need to take the katana and split in two some C64, speccy or even MSX  :laugh:

Jokes apart, you're right, i'm a blind CPC fan and sometimes i react this way to protect my little computer from bad words  :P
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Puresox on 20:29, 14 June 16
Fair enough, neigh problem
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 21:14, 14 June 16
I have Penguin Adventure on Cartridge for my MSX. Very simple, but very enjoyable time waster.

Bryce.


After I did my Ping Pong roundup on the CPC, Speccy and C64 I got the MSX cart. It is light years ahead. Keep meaning to do an update video. Fantastic game.
Title: Re: ChinnyVision: WEC Le Mans
Post by: Gryzor on 20:00, 19 June 16
I still remember buying this on a cloudy dark afternoon after school. I didn't know about the game, I just saw it in the store and it caught my eye - who knows why. Maybe it was the shopkeeper that recommended it to me.


Anyway, bought it (original!), went home and was duly impressed. Not maybe mode 1 games, you see, so it looked quite different. I still love it.