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Title: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 09:37, 10 September 12
So, my Pi is here (rev.B is on its way), what should I do with it? :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Bryce on 09:43, 10 September 12
Send it to me! :D

Bryce.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: arnoldemu on 09:54, 10 September 12
Quote from: Gryzor on 09:37, 10 September 12
So, my Pi is here (rev.B is on its way), what should I do with it? :)
So you didn't order it from RS like I did ?  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 09:55, 10 September 12
Well, sure, once my rev.B is here, why not? Maybe you'll slave it to the CPC and do something neat with it after all :D


Heh, my TV doesn't have a USB, but since the Pi uses so little current (500mAh I believe?) it can be powered from one. So if you connect it to a TV through USB and turn the TV on, it gets powered at the same time and it looks like the TV is booting up!


@Arnold: you mean rs-online? No, from Farnell... why? Do they have long lead times?
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: arnoldemu on 10:03, 10 September 12
Quote from: Gryzor on 09:55, 10 September 12
@Arnold: you mean rs-online? No, from Farnell... why? Do they have long lead times?
yes, I ordered from them in June.

2 weeks ago they said there would be furthur delays until end of September!
It is the same for all who ordered from RS.

so for those who want one, order from farnell or their sister companies of mcmelectronics and cpc.co.uk.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 10:33, 10 September 12
CPC.co.uk? Sounds like a plan! :D
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Bryce on 10:58, 10 September 12
My preferred supplier (they don't actually sell the Raspberry Pi) have a custom case on offer for the Pi. Might be worth getting if you intend having the device by the TV?

Bryce.

Edit: Blood nora, why does the forum keep deleting links I post??!

Another attempt:

And yet another...

No, still no luck and no link. Gryzor! Tell your forum to do what it's told! :D

Ok, copy this and add 3 W's and a dot in front of it to your browser:  reichelt.de/Kunststoffgehaeuse-TEKO/TEK-BERRY/3/index.html?;ACTION=3;LA=446;ARTICLE=124752;GROUPID=3354;artnr=TEK-BERRY;SID=10UE23sH8AAAIAAAnLHgE721f7bc65a97c889d45e34c0db218806
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 11:15, 10 September 12
I think the parser gets confused by the long and complex URL? Let's see if a shortened one works: WORK, DAMMIT! (http://goo.gl/hvrcU) (edit: no, it didn't work; had to edit and insert a title for it to show).


Thanks for the link, been looking at cases all morning actually :D I think I'll go for an acrylic one, ueber-geeky little lights!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: rexbeng on 13:00, 10 September 12
@Gryzor: can I see it?  :D
Ahem, I mean the RPi, den't get excited over anything  :P 

rb
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 13:03, 10 September 12
No photo yet, I will :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ynot.zer0 on 19:43, 10 September 12
Quote from: Gryzor on 09:37, 10 September 12
So, my Pi is here (rev.B is on its way), what should I do with it? :)


sell it and buy a BeagleBone!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: beaker on 22:11, 10 September 12
Put it in a case and forget about it for 6 months... do'h!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 08:56, 11 September 12
@Ynot.zer0: well, yes, that's the path to hell I didn't want to go through. Get one, then get another, buy this add-on, build that one... :D


@beaker: ordering a couple of cases today. Also looking for some class 10 sd cards. I wonder how well I can run a CPC on it :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: arnoldemu on 09:14, 11 September 12
Quote from: beaker on 22:11, 10 September 12
Put it in a case and forget about it for 6 months... do'h!
you'll not be the only one.

I'm planning to use mine for general web browsing and e-mailing too. I think it will be up to it soon especially when accelerated x windows is ready.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 09:15, 11 September 12
Quote from: arnoldemu on 09:14, 11 September 12
you'll not be the only one.

I'm planning to use mine for general web browsing and e-mailing too. I think it will be up to it soon especially when accelerated x windows is ready.



I'm actually consider building a torrent box with it. Attach it to a couple of HDDs and leave it by the router...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: arnoldemu on 09:16, 11 September 12
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:56, 11 September 12
@beaker: ordering a couple of cases today. Also looking for some class 10 sd cards. I wonder how well I can run a CPC on it :)
Older arnold linux versions may be ok, I didn't check. It uses SDL which isn't accelerated.
Can't compile for opengl either.
I'm tempted to modify it to work with opengl es or directfb or perhaps using the bcm library, that should help a little.
The emulation is not really optimised for pi yet, but I plan that.

So from experience, on my emu at least, I would say, it works SLOWLY!  :laugh:
I expect if you tried other things (wine to run Windows emulators), or ones in browsers, expect the machine to almost lock up.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 15:23, 11 September 12
Well the toughest I've thrown to it up to now is a 1080p mkv. It kept stopping to buffer,but I don't know whether the bottleneck was on the system itself or the crappy class 2 SD I used. But I saw it overlaying HD video on top of a console window with transparency, that was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: ralferoo on 09:18, 12 September 12
Quote from: Gryzor on 10:33, 10 September 12
CPC.co.uk? Sounds like a plan! :D
I remember back in around 1986 ordering a replacement tape belt from CPC for about 50p and thought it was a nice coincidence at the time. Not sure if my parents just paid the low value order P&P fee (or even if they had that back then).
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 15:42, 12 September 12
There was a cpc.co.uk in 1986[nb]yes, I gather it's an old store with a web storefront[/nb]? Damn mate, which planet do you live on? :D
And how did you manage to have ruined a belt already by '86?

Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Bryce on 16:01, 12 September 12
A pretty innovative company too, coming up with .co.uk 10 years before it was officially invented :D

Bryce.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ynot.zer0 on 23:10, 13 September 12
well, if you need a keyboard / games controller for your new Pi (eventually running an Amstrad emu...) you could back this device...


iControlPad 2 - The open source controller by Product 3 LLC - Kickstarter (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1703567677/icontrolpad-2-the-open-source-controller)


(it's the guys who were behind the Pandora)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 11:04, 14 September 12
Quote from: Ynot.zer0 on 23:10, 13 September 12
well, if you need a keyboard / games controller for your new Pi (eventually running an Amstrad emu...) you could back this device...


iControlPad 2 - The open source controller by Product 3 LLC - Kickstarter (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1703567677/icontrolpad-2-the-open-source-controller)


(it's the guys who were behind the Pandora)


It's nice, but it's... $70! (including postage)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ynot.zer0 on 12:43, 14 September 12
Quote from: Gryzor on 11:04, 14 September 12
It's nice, but it's... $70! (including postage)


very true... that's why I'm waiting another 20+ days before I decide or not.  I bought a nice Bluetooth keyboard+mouse unit (Bluetooth Rii Mini Keyboard V2 Laser Black NEW | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bluetooth-Rii-Mini-Keyboard-V2-Laser-Black-NEW-/280863279186?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item4164c18852)) from eBay for £22 and that seems to work great as I don't need joystick controls... (other devices are available etc..etc...)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 13:09, 14 September 12
I've bought a few similar ones (for the arcade cab, for the media players) off DX.com; I've also bought this very same one, probably for half the price. Great little keyboard.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: beaker on 13:58, 14 September 12
Thanks for the recommendation, I think I am going to have to buy one of them too  :D  I have a Pi and another machine I'd like to use it with and the Microsoft 800 wireless keyboard I bought for another machine has sticky key syndrome with the Pi so I ended up buying a cheap Tesco Value keyboard for the Pi... I take it I can just buy another bluetooth adapter and use the same pad on several machines (obviously not at the same time)?
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ynot.zer0 on 20:46, 22 September 12
If the iControlPad2 was a little too expensive... this one might be handy? iMpulse Game Controller & Key Finder: Pocket Accessory by Black Powder Media - (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/852638998/impulse-game-controller-and-key-finder-pocket-acce)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 08:50, 24 September 12
Oohhh that one looks nice!!! $30 is again a bit expensive, but it's not a huge amount... thinking about it, thinking about it!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: TotO on 09:46, 24 September 12
Quote from: Ynot.zer0 on 23:10, 13 September 12
well, if you need a keyboard / games controller for your new Pi (eventually running an Amstrad emu...) you could back this device...


iControlPad 2 - The open source controller by Product 3 LLC - Kickstarter (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1703567677/icontrolpad-2-the-open-source-controller)


(it's the guys who were behind the Pandora)
It look pure chines shitty plastic... May be for 20$...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: scruss on 01:13, 01 October 12
Quote from: arnoldemu on 09:16, 11 September 12
Older arnold linux versions may be ok, I didn't check.

Any hints as to what age will compile? The most recent won't link, as it's looking for elf32-i386 despite going through ./configure.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 09:14, 01 October 12
Quote from: scruss on 01:13, 01 October 12
Any hints as to what age will compile? The most recent won't link, as it's looking for elf32-i386 despite going through ./configure.


Too bad, though I didn't try it myself... hope it gets better than this :)


Meanwhile, Sunday afternoon: [attach=2]
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: arnoldemu on 09:28, 01 October 12
Quote from: scruss on 01:13, 01 October 12
Any hints as to what age will compile? The most recent won't link, as it's looking for elf32-i386 despite going through ./configure.
I hope I'll be able to tell you soon.

I coded Arnold. Andreas did the linux version.
When I get my pi, fingers crossed it'll be this week, mumble grumble, I'll compile the most recent version I have and upload a useable fixed version.

This is latest version:
Arnold TNG (http://www.yasara.org/cpc/index.html)

It has a compile switch for opengl (sorry not opengl es), but that'll be one of the first things I'll fix in that version. I can then transfer the knowledge over to my slower wip version.

my wip version compiles and runs ok, but sloooowly.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: nurgle on 16:19, 03 October 12
Hiho,


long time no see. I don't spend much time with CPC stuff nowadays, but since I have a PI and since I worked on the CPC port of Arnold I am tempted to waste some time with nerd stuff again.  ;D


Would there be interest to get the old ArnoldTNG running on PI? I once had Arnold running on Linux/PPC (old iMac), so I already went through all those nastly endianess issues, trying various compiler and linker switches. It is probably just the build system that needs to be fixed.


@arnoldemu: Is the new WIP version of Arnold really slower than the old Arnold? Why? Can it be improved? I really feel like I should help with the new version rather than riding a dead horse. Can I get a current snapshot please?  ;D


Also configuring the underlying linux can give a speedup. For example the old ArnoldTNG does not run full speed on the earliest eeepc in 32bit color mode. When running the X server at 16bit color mode it is just fast enough. I have yet to play around with my PI to see what tweaks might be worthwhile. I started hacking on Arnold/Linux on an AMD  K6 with roughly 300 MHz IIRC. So in theory the PI should have enough horsepower.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 21:10, 03 October 12
I think there is a NES emulator out there for the Pi, though it doesn't function too well sound-wise. If gfx emulation is running OK thn I guess a CPC could be emulated?

In other words: yes, please.

Heck, I even got an arcade-style joystick with a gameport/USB adaptor...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: arnoldemu on 11:04, 06 October 12
Quote from: nurgle on 16:19, 03 October 12
Hiho,


long time no see. I don't spend much time with CPC stuff nowadays, but since I have a PI and since I worked on the CPC port of Arnold I am tempted to waste some time with nerd stuff again.  ;D
Hi Andreas,

I just got an e-mail to say my pi is on it's way :)


Quote from: nurgle on 16:19, 03 October 12
Would there be interest to get the old ArnoldTNG running on PI? I once had Arnold running on Linux/PPC (old iMac), so I already went through all those nastly endianess issues, trying various compiler and linker switches. It is probably just the build system that needs to be fixed.
I would like to see it working, so at least it is out there. I am happy to fix it.

Quote from: nurgle on 16:19, 03 October 12
@arnoldemu: Is the new WIP version of Arnold really slower than the old Arnold? Why? Can it be improved? I really feel like I should help with the new version rather than riding a dead horse. Can I get a current snapshot please?  ;D
I will e-mail a link to it soon for you.

On the PI, it is slow because sdl and x-windows are not accelerated. I think to make it faster, it would need to use opengl es, or the broadcom libraries directly  for the graphical part of it.

I think it can be made to run faster.

In terms of the comparison between older and newer, it does seem slower. I have changed some bits and I've not done it in an optimised way. I think there is room for improvements.

Quote from: nurgle on 16:19, 03 October 12
Also configuring the underlying linux can give a speedup. For example the old ArnoldTNG does not run full speed on the earliest eeepc in 32bit color mode. When running the X server at 16bit color mode it is just fast enough. I have yet to play around with my PI to see what tweaks might be worthwhile. I started hacking on Arnold/Linux on an AMD  K6 with roughly 300 MHz IIRC. So in theory the PI should have enough horsepower.
it's got a 16-bit framebuffer. it would probably need to use opengl es.

I too haven't looked at it properly. I know the new one builds, because I borrowed a pi and made it work ;)
but I will soon get my own.



Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: scruss on 13:34, 06 October 12
According to this post (http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=100222#p100222), after installing the dependencies, you just need to change TARGET_FMT=elf32-i386 to TARGET_FMT=elf32-littlearm in src/Makefile.in.

That worked for me. I just ran it via a remote X session. Thaaaaat waaaas sloooooow ...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: arnoldemu on 13:40, 06 October 12
Quote from: scruss on 13:34, 06 October 12
According to this post (http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=100222#p100222), after installing the dependencies, you just need to change TARGET_FMT=elf32-i386 to TARGET_FMT=elf32-littlearm in src/Makefile.in.

That worked for me. I just ran it via a remote X session. Thaaaaat waaaas sloooooow ...
thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 11:07, 08 October 12
Wonder if an overclocked Pi can pull it off then. It's quite a dramatic overclock.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: McKlain on 15:59, 08 January 13
Raspberry Pi Powered SNES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEJuDdjkVSc#ws)


SNES (Super Nintendo Emulated System) (http://familab.org/blog/2012/12/snes-super-nintendo-emulated-system/)


A Pi inside an american SNES shell, running a SNES emulator.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Gryzor on 16:07, 08 January 13
Well, you can do that with pretty much every system out there... heck, the Pi is so small it could fit in a shell without even gutting it! 
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: beaker on 16:57, 08 January 13
I don't know, I think it's pretty cool that you can still use cartridges  :D
I know when I tried mine with an Atom ION board a few year or so ago, it's really cramped in there. I ended up sticking some RAM fans Bryce suggested on and adding the fake cartridge as an exhaust hole.
Still I borked my Ubuntu OS on there following an update over Christmas and ended up buying an OEM version of Windows 7 and finally the SSD drive you a Bryce suggested at the time that should arrive later this week so should run a bit cooler.
It would be cool to do the what he's done with my other US Snes and my Pi.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: TFM on 18:29, 08 January 13
Makes me dreaming about new Carts for the CPC... :-X  But how to produce the shells...??
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