Feeling like being nostalgic, I bought "V - The Complete Series" yesterday. Then I learned that it's actually not "complete" at all, since there first was "The Mini Series" and then "The Final Battle" and then "The Complete Series"...
So now I found those first 2 on eBay and bought those as well....
Anyone else remembers V?
Here's some YouTube clips
TV intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQBC1H-t9Q0)
Fan trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fDOdzY18XE)
I was thinking, when completed the nostalgic series, then start the new versions. :)
New version sneak peak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6sQ85zTzig)
New version promo trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQoSCEMzJYE)
Are they doing a remake at the moment ?
Seems to not respect the original that well.
yeah, this serie was part of the 80's madness.
Great music too...
I remember the 2 hot evil girlz... the brune (diana ?) and the blonde...
With their 80's Hair and makeup...yet quite hot bot of them...
This red uniform was a bit of Baywathch before baywatch (with less skin exposed though)...
And less runing boob shaking sequences also...
This serie was also a fetish-fuel...
Like furries, but scally and vore... :P
Oh and Freddy Krugger was part of it, lol...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APpsanbh354
OMG, totally forgot about that one. It's even worse than I remember. Now you made me want to watch it all over again! Look what you have done! :'(
I remember that we didn't have this on TV here in Greece back in the 80s. So when I was looking at the game I was all "wtf?"...
Alright, we have just completed the entire series now.
First, there was The Original Mini Series consisting of 2 movie-length episodes. They were quite good, with better acting than I remember. Worth a re-look if you're feeling nostalgic.
Then came The Final Battle, which consisted of 3 movie-length episodes. They were also quite good, with equally good acting.
But then came The Complete Series, consisting of 19 episodes of about 30 minutes. The name itself is stupid, because it's not the complete series. What it is, is a poor continuation with poor acting and 50% re-use of scenes from the 2 first shows. There's no proper ending, and no proper storyline. Just a classic example of someone milking money on a show that became a hit.
So, if you feel like watching the show again, find The Original Mini Series and The Final Battle somewhere online, but leave The Complete Series alone. It's a waste of time.
Mr Lou what happens is that "the complete series" are not really that complete because they did not finish the series as it was supposed to end, for some reason they didn't film the last episode, who knows...
Here in souther Spain where I live, a regional TV is broadcasting both series, the new 2009 version and the 80's, one after the other, so its a good way to compare them. I prefer the 80s one, but the new one despite of its poor special effects it does have a good plot
Who cares about V... Battlestar Galactica rules :D
QuoteWho cares about V... Battlestar Galactica rules
The one with Face from the A-Team and a scrappy cybernetic teddybear ? or the one with the damn hot sexy cylon chicks ?
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:43, 30 June 10
Who cares about V... Battlestar Galactica rules :D
Indeed, but when you've already seen Battlestar Galactica twice, and there's far too little scifi in the world, then you take what you can get. V isn't the worst. Stargate series was more disappointing at least.
Just my opinion, but the best sci-fi series was FARSCAPE next was Babylon 5, both had a progressive storyline which meant that you had to watch every episode or you lost track of the story, with other series it did not matter if you missed a few episodes or even watched repeats out of sequence, so if you do not need to watch every episode why waste time watching any?.
Quote from: steve on 14:02, 30 June 10
Just my opinion, but the best sci-fi series was FARSCAPE next was Babylon 5,
Babylon 5? Aaaaargh! I'm sorry, those CGI series bore me to tears... I haven't watched Farscape, maybe it's worth downloading from the plot of it...
Quote from: MacDeath on 11:14, 30 June 10
The one with Face from the A-Team and a scrappy cybernetic teddybear ? or the one with the damn hot sexy cylon chicks ?
Damn hot sexy cylon chicks, of course! What sort of question is this???!!!
Btw, you do realise we're talking about space operas here, not SciFi, right? Because then we should start talking about - oh, I don't know, Ray Bradbury's Theater maybe...
Oh friends, if I read your lines I feel quite old. Well, I'll be 40 in 11 days, that may be the reason.
But... V the old serie was great! Don't know the remake, but remakes are usually not as good as the original. As we can see with Battlestar Galactica, the old ones have been great, the new cover version is (don't want to slap Gryzor and MacDeath here...) ... well ... is ... not so much my thing.
However, the V for the Amstrad should have been done better, maybe it was Basic or a Spectrum por*.
We have never seen the old version of Battlestar Galactica, but we found the new one absolutely brilliant. Definitely one of the best series we've ever seen, with only minor silly scenes. This is also why we've watched it twice.
The only sad thing about it is, that the authors decided to go on a strike, resulting in a crap season 4 and crap season 4.5. That was really sad. Because season 1 - 3 is just great! Too bad everything has to be destroyed by money all the time.
I've been thinking about watching the old version too, but somehow I don't think it'll appeal to me.
I've heard from 2 mates who's seen the new V, and they both say it's good. My girlfriend read somewhere online, that people say the old V vs the new V is kinda like the old Battlestar Galactica vs the new Battlestar Galactica. So I'm looking forward to seeing the new version of V. :)
I had started watching BSG on the insistence of a friend; my own reaction was "naaaaahhhhh not anoooother CGI sci-fi thing... got enough of them in the Amiga days...". But I got hooked and watched the first season in two days. Then I re-watched it with my girlfriend who also absolutely loved it (and, of course, she claims she's Kara Thrace). The old one is too cheesy for my tastes... Oh, I also found the ending very, very moving. And I really liked the fact that they didn't go for an apocalyptic, all-out SFX battle.
V - bahhhh! It started as interesting but we quickly lost all interest :(
Quote from: Gryzor on 12:39, 02 July 10
V - bahhhh! It started as interesting but we quickly lost all interest :(
Is that the new version you're talking about there?
Hmmm... think finally it's all about what you see first. Usually people like the things (movies, music, computers ...) the most which they have seen / got in their hands first.
I've been quite young when I saw Battlestar Galactica first, and it was really scary (for a young boy), especially that session where these insect friends of the cylons prepate humans for a meal... However the old series had great actors and created a great world. The new cover version suffers under the (bad) actors (despite the fact that Adams is played great!), the cripled story and especially the look of the Cylons. These new Cylons are not scary at all, the old ones freeze you blood (If you disagree, I'll take my Cylon-Outfit, come to your house and only your microwave can stop me in killing you... However, Microwave-food will then kill you... so better be scared ;-)
Quote from: TFM/FS on 21:34, 02 July 10
However the old series had great actors and created a great world. The new cover version suffers under the (bad) actors (despite the fact that Adams is played great!), the cripled story and especially the look of the Cylons.
What??? I completely disagree. We think it's really good acting in the new version, and the story is great too. Only season 4 ruins the series, because the authors went on strike. Otherwise it's some of the best acting we've seen.
But when you say the acting is better in the old version, then I'm intrigued. Maybe we should watch it. We've just been rather certain that we'd be disappointed, so we have left it alone so far.
Quote from: mr_lou on 06:46, 03 July 10
But when you say the acting is better in the old version, then I'm intrigued. Maybe we should watch it. We've just been rather certain that we'd be disappointed, so we have left it alone so far.
You didn't see the Original? Ohhhhh! Well, this explains a lot ;-)
However, the good thing about movies (tv series) is that everybody can have a own taste, every oppinion can be accepted and must be respected :-)
I'm sure you will still like the new cover version more, after seeing the old series, because you've seen the new series first.
If you would have seen the old original first, I think, then you would like them more. You really should watch them! And please don't damn them because you prefer the new one anyway or because TFM loves the old one. Take a look at them (old series) with open eyes and you will like them. The evil human Baltar is soooooo much better in the old serie ;-)
Quote from: TFM/FS on 00:15, 05 July 10The evil human Baltar is soooooo much better in the old serie ;-)
That sounds rather amazing, because I think he's brilliant in the new version. Great acting in my opinion.
Quote from: mr_lou on 14:26, 02 July 10
Is that the new version you're talking about there?
Yes, the new one. In the past I had started watching the old one but it was far too cheesy for my taste buds. But, who knows, maybe for its era it was good...
Also, I think that acting is great in the new series. Ok, not maybe like Deadwood-level acting or something, but still pretty good for a SF series and absolutely enjoyable. And indeed Baltar was great...
Quote from: mr_lou on 06:16, 05 July 10
That sounds rather amazing, because I think he's brilliant in the new version. Great acting in my opinion.
Well, his acting is ok. But the type of person is very different.
In the new BG Baltar is just a Cylon-abused, selfish scientist, who hides between the legs of a blonde (cylon) girl (episode 1). In the old BG Balter was a real strong and evil guy, the kind of enemy you really fear. While the old BG was really scary, in the new series there is nobody and nothing that could frighten you. IMHO...
Ok, the cylons nuked all human planets... but some days later the resistance is on this planets and they look all good an healthy. If you ever see bodies coming in contact with radioactive fall-out - believe me, they look very different. (BTW: Tschernobyl killed 800.000 humans). So what did the cylons use? Neutron bombs??? In the new series I see toooo much logical errors (like you see them in these days always and ever, if you have some basic knowledge about natural sciences - and I think you will share this point of critic with me. But this is not about V or BG, it's about this new modern time, in which people stop using their logic.... :-( ... hmmm).
Quote from: TFM/FS on 23:30, 05 July 10
Well, his acting is ok. But the type of person is very different.
In the new BG Baltar is just a Cylon-abused, selfish scientist, who hides between the legs of a blonde (cylon) girl (episode 1). In the old BG Balter was a real strong and evil guy, the kind of enemy you really fear. While the old BG was really scary, in the new series there is nobody and nothing that could frighten you. IMHO...
So? It's a *remake*, not a replay. I really love both the characters and the dynamics even if different from the original. The moment with Model 6 hears and sees him in a reversal of what was happening before, was hair-raising...
Quote
Ok, the cylons nuked all human planets... but some days later the resistance is on this planets and they look all good an healthy. If you ever see bodies coming in contact with radioactive fall-out - believe me, they look very different. (BTW: Tschernobyl killed 800.000 humans). So what did the cylons use? Neutron bombs??? In the new series I see toooo much logical errors (like you see them in these days always and ever, if you have some basic knowledge about natural sciences - and I think you will share this point of critic with me. But this is not about V or BG, it's about this new modern time, in which people stop using their logic.... :-( ... hmmm).
Man, you do realise you're watching a sci-fi, space opera fairytale, right? There's that thin called "suspension of disbelief"... :D Or we could discuss about the details that don't make sense (sound in space, anyone?) for years to come...
Quote from: Gryzor on 11:29, 08 July 10
Man, you do realise you're watching a sci-fi, space opera fairytale, right? There's that thin called "suspension of disbelief"... :D Or we could discuss about the details that don't make sense (sound in space, anyone?) for years to come...
There is "good" sci-fi too, movies in which the audience is not thought to be half-brain dead. Movies without noise in space and with good stories. But you probably have to go back to the 70ies to find them.
The point is - for me - that today the audience is considered as not-much-smart. And that's something I just don't like. I have some requirements if I watch something, else it would be a waste of time. Guess you agree :) :) :)
Well, my fav SF movie (indeed, my all-time fav movie along with Kurosawa's RAN) is Tarkovski's Solaris*. It did require quite some suspend of disbelief and was maybe not as 'scientific' as Space Odyssey (which I love), but still it's so serious and deep and unsettling... and, as you said, 70s.
*The Clooney remake was not half bad either, though it didn't meet critical approval...
Back to the original V.
From what I remember, the first "movies" (TV-movies actually) were an obvious analog to the Nazis invasions and Holocaust...
The Visitor's sign is a sort of Swastikas, and the Scientist from Mankind ar hunted down and deported (exterminated, served as food....).
It's quite dark and grim... and really obvious : a jewish scientist talk about the fact the visitors are doing exactly as the Nazis did in Europe....
Does the modern Remake emphasize on this stuff ?
or is it simply big flashy spectacular Scy-Fy shit with almost no relation with the original except that the visitors ar reptilians mimiquing humans and eating them/plundering the planet ?
(http://darkcommandos.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8354f822a69e20120a6a9e5e6970c-pi)
(http://darkcommandos.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8354f822a69e20111688d3f0f970c-pi)
(http://darkcommandos.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8354f822a69e201156ffe2bda970b-pi)(http://darkcommandos.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8354f822a69e201156fdbccd0970b-pi)(http://darkcommandos.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8354f822a69e201156fdbd04d970b-pi)
(http://darkcommandos.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8354f822a69e201156e4b66b6970c-pi)
That's so 80's !!!
Loved the Blonde Vs Brunette evilbitch duet...
And their 80's Hair is so huge... :P
Also notice the ADIDAS uniforms. ;D
This turned into some sort of Scy-Fy Dallas...
And lot of stars actually :
Ironside (Verhoeven's movies...), Freddy Krueggerer...Robert Englund (lol... the original and only one...was great in "Zombi strippers" too...), Marc Singer (did some "cult" heroic fantasy movies : The Beastmaster (Dar l'invincible in french...a pseudo He-Man and the master of the universe...lol))
or even Lane Smith (so many TV series...)
Quote from: Gryzor on 07:54, 09 July 10
Well, my fav SF movie is Tarkovski's Solaris
I was also thinking about this one :-) And there were all these huge-super-computer-sf-movies, they brought people to thinking. The thinking thing I usually miss today.
Quote from: MacDeath on 15:29, 09 July 10
From what I remember, the first "movies" (TV-movies actually) were an obvious analog to the Nazis invasions and Holocaust...
The Visitor's sign is a sort of Swastikas, and the Scientist from Mankind ar hunted down and deported (exterminated, served as food....).
It's quite dark and grim... and really obvious : a jewish scientist talk about the fact the visitors are doing exactly as the Nazis did in Europe....
I really disagree. The Nazis never told the others to be their friends.
And btw. what you are describing here (hunting scientists...), that was happening in Poland in Katyn, but it was done by the Russians! But they won the war and so they blamed the Nazis for their dirty deeds.
History is a book of lies written by the winners of a war. That was true in the ancient Egypt and it is still true. If you want to know about history then go to the people and speak with them, but don't buy the books of lies.
Another good example that would fit is what's going on in Palestina. And this is going on actually, and eveyone can influence the present in a positive way, but not the past that easiey.
QuoteI really disagree. The Nazis never told the others to be their friends.
Unless you were blond and willing to volunteer against the USSR on the Eastern front.. :-\
Of course, not that much, but...
Collaboration in France...
also some central Europe country collaborated too.
And Holocaust was a long process with many steps...
QuoteAnd btw. what you are describing here (hunting scientists...), that was happening in Poland in Katyn, but it was done by the Russians! But they won the war and so they blamed the Nazis for their dirty deeds.
I know what happened at Katyn, my grandmother is Polka.
The analogy wasn't centered on Scientist...
in fact in V, the Scientists were hunted like the Jews were in Nazi occuped europe...and a Jew scientist in the movie told about it.
QuoteHistory is a book of lies written by the winners of a war. That was true in the ancient Egypt and it is still true. If you want to know about history then go to the people and speak with them, but don't buy the books of lies.
I wasn't... I was just describing an aspect of the original V that was clearly obvious and assumed...
QuoteAnother good example that would fit is what's going on in Palestina. And this is going on actually, and eveyone can influence the present in a positive way, but not the past that easiey.
Don't see how it is related to what i told ?
BTW, V was a 80's show, and the similarities with historical Nazism are not always directly evident, because it's in a Scy-fy setting in a modern world (80's...) and a different context...
But some element were inspirationnal in V.
Also Stalin Era in Russia has its share of attrocities too..."1984" novel is more about Stalin than Hitler... But I wasn't implying anything, just talking about V...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_%281983_miniseries%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_%281983_miniseries%29)
QuoteThe story became a Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi) allegory, right down to the Swastika (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)-like emblem used by the Visitors and their SS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS)-like uniforms. There is a youth auxiliary movement called the "Friends of the Visitors" with obvious similarities to the Hitler Youth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth), and Visitor broadcasts mimic Nazi-era propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda). The show's portrayal of human interaction with the Visitors bears a striking resemblance to stories from Occupied Europe during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) with some citizens choosing collaboration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling) and others choosing to join underground resistance movements.
Where the Nazis persecuted primarily Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews), the Visitors were instead depicted to persecute scientists, their families, and anyone associating with them. They also distribute propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda) in an effort to hide their true identity. Some of the main characters in the initial series were from a Jewish family and the grandfather, a Holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust) survivor, frequently commented on the events of the past again unfolding. Once they are in a position to do so, the Visitors later declare martial law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law) to control the scientists (and resistance fighters) as well.
Of course the Visitor's uniforms being Red is clearly an 80's cold war typical feature...
"Bad guys are Reds... like commies..."...lol.
As in GI-Joe...lol...
Cobra : red sign, red lazers, and, well...reptilian related, sort of.
Quote from: TFM/FS on 19:26, 09 July 10
The Nazis never told the others to be their friends.
That´s not surprising.
You get what you pay for.
McDeath: However, the way the girls had their hair in the 80ies is imho very beautiful ;) , that's clearly something I miss today. Girls with short hairs ... brrr! :o :'( ???
V wasn't a sci-fi "Dallas" at first.
The Original Miniseries + Final Battle were quite good. The story wasn't predictable, and the acting was good.
But THEN came "The Complete Series", which is completely like Dallas yes. Lousy story and poor acting. Clearly just made to squeeze more money out of a hit show. Special effects are gone, and the few special effects that are there, are simply taken from the original miniseries + final battle. Nothing new. Whole scenes are just repeated over and over again.
This is why I recommend only watching the original miniseries + final battle. That's 5 long episodes in total.
Skip the 19 short episodes of The Complete Series. They're worthless.
QuoteMcDeath: However, the way the girls had their hair in the 80ies is imho very beautiful (http://cpcwiki.eu/forum/Smileys/akyhne/wink.gif) , that's clearly something I miss today. Girls with short hairs ... brrr! (http://cpcwiki.eu/forum/Smileys/akyhne/shocked.gif) (http://cpcwiki.eu/forum/Smileys/akyhne/cry.gif) (http://cpcwiki.eu/forum/Smileys/akyhne/huh.gif)
No problem my friend, it's just that... well... I understand that talking about Nazi Era can give me godwin points and turn Deutschlanders into frenzy aggro butthurt (sorry for speaking like this, too much beer...) but it wasn't the case.
It was just was I felt at the time concerning V, as Wikipedia confirmed...
I love European history, and my grandfather went to Auswitz as a french resistant... yet I actually like German culture (bier, metal and roasted pork sausages...), poeples (Gamma Ray, Helloween, Birth control, Kraftwerk... and you...) and achievments (first outer spaces pictures of Earth from a V1 ( or V2 ?) rocket per example...)...
And this is old story, we can go through that...
Also Angela Merkel is a Busty Milf sometimes...when she goes to Opera in Nordic countries... (lol...)
Well the new "V" Diana is a sweet short haired hottie.... but the good old one was even more bitchie.
Perhaps the 80's Hair was on purpose to hide some lizard forehead features.... ;)
Also, congratz for getting the "little final" in mundial... 3rd place is quite a good place actually... (compared to the French circus, lol) you end on a victory (yet I liked Uruguay too... they did well...).
QuoteV wasn't a sci-fi "Dallas" at first.
The Original Miniseries + Final Battle were quite good. The story wasn't predictable, and the acting was good.
But THEN came "The Complete Series", which is completely like Dallas yes. Lousy story and poor acting. Clearly just made to squeeze more money out of a hit show. Special effects are gone, and the few special effects that are there, are simply taken from the original miniseries + final battle. Nothing new. Whole scenes are just repeated over and over again.
This is why I recommend only watching the original miniseries + final battle. That's 5 long episodes in total.
Skip the 19 short episodes of The Complete Series. They're worthless.
Completely right...
I even couldn't understand how the hell the lizards V had no more their strange voice effect... as it was a major fluff feature actually.
Also : many Syfy series from this era and further (ex : code quantum...) weren't actually finished...
BattleStar Galactica too...(the real one with the cyber teddy bear and face from A-Team)
Because Syfy series were expensive, and producers couldn't see further than 1 year of exploitation, as perhaps a pair of year later, the cancelled serie was an international hit, but too late, it was often cancelled 1 year agobecause mainstream hour broadcast on american TV didn't worked...
So many great series of my youth where orphan series, cancelled before it could develop a good story ending and still managed to be internationnal hits...
Or had only one first season, then cancelled, then a shitty sequel that completely screwed the original internationnal success thx to .... cost down production to milk money on original success...lol...
Fu*****g americans producers/TV.... give us Futurama back !!!!!!
Oh and yeah, dub and footage re-use kills it, but that's so 80's...
Hype and cheap.. (like an amstrad perhaps ?)
Quote from: MacDeath on 23:16, 09 July 10
Also Stalin Era in Russia has its share of attrocities too..."1984" novel is more about Stalin than Hitler... But I wasn't implying anything, just talking about V...
Actually, I think that the way things go, in 20 years tops we'll be looking at the UK and be seeing 1984. Don't forget that there's something distinctively British about it...
About the V photos: love the chick in the first photo, she manages to shine through the 80s styling! I also love the fake computer stuff, it's like a CPC game with all those colours :D
Love and Peace guys, Love and Peace!
I remember the strange metamorphosis which went on in Liberation Day, at the time I was too young to understand what was going on and had nightmares about it! Naturally I was concerned my skin was going to go Green!! ???
You are an alien! Without even knowing it!!!
TFM/FS wrote:
You are an alien! Without even knowing it!!!
Okay.....!
But I watch some of Liberation Day yesterday and the start to Dreadnought I think the second show was called, I have to say I found it very soapie for a Sci-Fi! But there's something else to it, it's perhaps in the rhelms of Disaster some Soapie some Sci-Fi. Some of those 90s Sci-Fi's come Disaster I would put into that are movies like Indepenance Day, Deep Impact, The Core & that other one where they go to Mars - Mission to Mars I think it's called! V might have been an interesting concept film in it's day given America were worrying about what the Russians were going to do and of course America were doing all these films about bombings and nuclear holocausts, I call seeing the Miniseries TV movies quite a few years ago as reruns (don't think I ever saw them in 1983 or whenever they came out originally) and they perhaps might be better than the TV show, though like some of the others have put it the TV show definitely has some niggles about it. It even looks at if the actor playing Donovan hurt himself jumping off a building like that towards the end of Liberation Day.