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Title: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 14:55, 09 November 14
Since a few days I am working on the Enterprise port of SymbOS. The Enterprise 64/128 is probably quite well-known in the Amstrad scene, as it has some similarities to the CPC. So this time it took only one week to get SymbOS running on its 4th supported Z80 platform:

(http://www.symbos.de/gfx/preview/sym-ep-02desktoprunning.png)

Yes, beside the grey colours it looks like the CPC version  :D

What's missing are the low level sector read/write routines, but these can probably be taken from the MSX, as they have a similiar FDC. SymbOS EP will support up to 1MB (the EP can be officially extended up to 4MB), and it is planned to support an actual produced SD card interface as well as the "BoxSoft" mouse standard interface for the EP.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Munchausen on 15:35, 09 November 14
This is awesome! I guess I need to see if the enterprise I bought some time ago can actually be repaired!


BTW, I guess it will support colours? And the HxC?
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 15:49, 09 November 14
Quote from: Munchausen on 15:35, 09 November 14
This is awesome! I guess I need to see if the enterprise I bought some time ago can actually be repaired!
BTW, I guess it will support colours? And the HxC?

Haha, yes, I choosed the grey colours only to be different to the CPC version :D (the Enterprise has 256 colours = more shades of grey, too, so I just tried this) I will try a nicer palette soon.
HxC direct SD card access will be included, too. All SymbOS ports with the exception of the MSX (where the HxC doesn't make any sense) will get the new HxC direct access support in the 3.0 release.
Do you have an EXDOS card? It's currently possible to order an SD card interface in Hungary. And in the UK you can currently order internal memory expansions (512K and 1024K) for a low price.

CU,
Prodatron
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Ygdrazil on 15:53, 09 November 14

Awsome...  :D


Congratz!


Time to get my Enterprise up from the basement, and take it for a spin!


Already been on it since midday getting my NC200 running Fuzix..


BTW. Whats the next platform that will see a SymbOS port?


Regards
/Ygdrazil

Quote from: Prodatron on 14:55, 09 November 14
Since a few days I am working on the Enterprise port of SymbOS. The Enterprise 64/128 is probably quite well-known in the Amstrad scene, as it has some similarities to the CPC. So this time it took only one week to get SymbOS running on its 4th supported Z80 platform:

(http://www.symbos.de/gfx/preview/sym-ep-02desktoprunning.png)

Yes, beside the grey colours it looks like the CPC version  :D

What's missing are the low level sector read/write routines, but these can probably be taken from the MSX, as they have a similiar FDC. SymbOS EP will support up to 1MB (the EP can be officially extended up to 4MB), and it is planned to support an actual produced SD card interface as well as the "BoxSoft" mouse standard interface for the EP.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 16:26, 09 November 14
Quote from: Munchausen on 15:35, 09 November 14BTW, I guess it will support colours?

This doesn't look so murky anymore:
(http://www.symbos.de/gfx/preview/sym-ep-03colouredtaskbar.png)

Thanks to the Nick graphic chip you can define different colours for the task bar and the rest of the screen without using hardware tricks.

@Ygdrazil (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7): Good that you prepare your NC200, the next platform for a port will probably this one :D (screen routines have already been done some years ago)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Ygdrazil on 17:09, 09 November 14

Heh ... That's great news, portable SymbOS fun.


Just out of curiosity... will SymbOS for the NC200 support the discdrive??


Because I have been looking for the documentation of the NC200 discdrive for ages without any luck...


Regards,
Ygdrazil

Quote from: Prodatron on 16:26, 09 November 14
This doesn't look so murky anymore:


Thanks to the Nick graphic chip you can define different colours for the task bar and the rest of the screen without using hardware tricks.

@Ygdrazil (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7): Good that you prepare your NC200, the next platform for a port will probably this one :D (screen routines have already been done some years ago)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 17:21, 09 November 14
Quote from: Ygdrazil on 17:09, 09 November 14
Heh ... That's great news, portable SymbOS fun.
it's the special "SymbOS Mobile" version  ;D

Quote from: Ygdrazil on 17:09, 09 November 14
Just out of curiosity... will SymbOS for the NC200 support the discdrive??
Because I have been looking for the documentation of the NC200 discdrive for ages without any luck...
I hope to be able to support the discdrive. Currently I have no idea what controller they used. Isn't it the good old 765? Anyway the port is planned not before a 3.1 release, and that's probably mid/end 2015. It seems that there is no good emulator existing, but maybe I didn't search deep enough.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: MacDeath on 19:06, 09 November 14
The enterprise is the sort of cousin that most CPC user would like to have as well.
Not quite a clone but way closer to CPC than Speccies I guess.

To port on it may not be too difficult for you I guess. :laugh:
Nice to see the extra colours bar feature... could it be implemented as well on the Amstad PLUS, along Hardsprite pointer ?  ::)
it is good to try a specific default palette for each machines so it differentiate versions  a bit better on screenshots.

Must be fun to use SymbOS with the side built-in joystick.


Do they have easily available ROMboards or RAM boards on those ?

I remember SymbOS being quite short on a 6128PLUS, I had to remove the desktop to launch anything lol.
Goes better with X-MEM BTW.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: CraigsBar on 19:52, 09 November 14
I'd love to see the plus palette return to symbos. It looked wonderful while it existed in v1. Please please please find a way to bring it back
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 20:41, 09 November 14
Quote from: MacDeath on 19:06, 09 November 14
The enterprise is the sort of cousin that most CPC user would like to have as well.
Not quite a clone but way closer to CPC than Speccies I guess.

To port on it may not be too difficult for you I guess. :laugh:
Yes, IMHO the Enterprise is somewhere between the CPC (lower end) and the MSX2 (higher end). This port was a mixture of CPC (screen) and MSX/PCW elements (kernel), so there was not much new stuff to do (some device manager coding), only to arrange everything in the EPs' special way, learn how the hardware is beeing used, ports, memory areas, and how to use the EX(D)OS operating system for developing the boot loader.

Quote from: MacDeath on 19:06, 09 November 14Do they have easily available ROMboards or RAM boards on those ?
Yes, there is the "Saint" from the UK who is currently producing internal Ram expansions:
Internal memory expansion (http://enterpriseforever.com/hardware/exp1-and-exp2-pinouts/msg38702/#msg38702)
He currently has new ones available, ask him (or me), if you are interested.

Quote from: MacDeath on 19:06, 09 November 14I remember SymbOS being quite short on a 6128PLUS, I had to remove the desktop to launch anything lol.
128K means that now you have about 32K free for loading apps (SymbOS is growing ;) 1.0 provided about 42K like Locomotive Basic :D ). If there is already a 16K background screen loaded (probably +screen saver +system extensions) there is indeed not much left on 128K.

Quote from: CraigsBarI'd love to see the plus palette return to symbos. It looked wonderful while it existed in v1. Please please please find a way to bring it back
TBH now when seeing the Enterprise port I really want to have the CPC Plus version back... It's still there but disabled because it crashed with the SYMBiFACE II. Yes, I should have a look at it again!

CU,
Prodatron
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: MacDeath on 23:12, 09 November 14
Sadly I don't own any Enterprise, was just curious.
Also good to check this machine also have access to Extended RAM hardware theses days, because we are never safe from cool CPC megaprods being ported on enterprise after all.


Yes I know, symbOS really needs a lot of RAM.
Still despite being on full ROM I guess.
in what extend does it support applications/tools being put on ROM instead of disks ?

I mean, its not like a 512K ROMboard can't have a few 16Ks banks to spare for such things.


Quoteit crashed with the SYMBiFACE II.
what about TotO's cards ?
I have a X-Mem and a MiniBooster on my MotherX4...
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: robcfg on 23:13, 09 November 14
Cool! I guess I need a disk interface for my Enterprise, right?

@Ygdrazil: can you post a Fuzix disk image to run it on the NC200?
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 10:10, 10 November 14
Quote from: robcfg on 23:13, 09 November 14
Cool! I guess I need a disk interface for my Enterprise, right?
Something like this, yes. The EP is like a 464, it doesn't have a floppy disc controller/connector. The original EXDOS cards (=disc interface+controller) are terrible expensive and hard to get today. The EXOS compatible SD card interface is probably the better solution to connect a mass storage to the EP and is currently produced in Hungary.

@MacDeath (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=221): SymbOS is not designed for running from ROM. Beside that it has tons of self-modifying code, it should always be bootable on systems without any expansion, too. Roms are only used for booting, not for executing. A "rom disc" would be nice, where (parts of) the 512K rom is used like disc space, which won't get lost if you power off your machine.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 22:03, 10 November 14
Very nice to see!!!
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Sykobee (Briggsy) on 22:38, 10 November 14
Lovely, and a good bit of software for this hardware, late to the party as it was.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: beaker on 11:46, 11 November 14
Nice!  ;D

I'll hopefully be getting the SD card interface for my E128 next year, I am on his list :)

In regards to the MSX2 I am still finding my way around the machine, does SymbOS work with the MegaFlashROM? I bought the model with 512k RAM.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 15:34, 11 November 14
Quote from: beaker on 11:46, 11 November 14
Nice!  ;D

I'll hopefully be getting the SD card interface for my E128 next year, I am on his list :)

In regards to the MSX2 I am still finding my way around the machine, does SymbOS work with the MegaFlashROM? I bought the model with 512k RAM.

Cool that so many here have an Enterprise, too!  :D
Yes, SymbOS supports the two SD card interfaces of the MegaFlashRomSCC+SD. All other Megaflash compatible devices like this in the OCM, too :)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: MacDeath on 02:58, 12 November 14
Is there even a ported version of Locomotice basic 1.1 on Enterprise ?
:laugh:
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Ygdrazil on 10:32, 12 November 14

Heh..  :) I don't think Locomotive Basic has ever been ported to the E!

Enterprise has IS Basic which is s a very advanced Basic (but not that speedy) with some unique features!

My personal favorite is of course BBC Basic!...  Build in real Procedures, Assembler - first encountered on the NC100 8)



Quote from: MacDeath on 02:58, 12 November 14
Is there even a ported version of Locomotice basic 1.1 on Enterprise ?
:laugh:
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 10:50, 12 November 14
Quote from: MacDeath on 02:58, 12 November 14
Is there even a ported version of Locomotice basic 1.1 on Enterprise ?
:laugh:
Yes sure ;)
click (http://www.ep128.hu/Ep_Util/Amstrad_CPC_emu.htm)

and its really working fine (http://www.ep128.hu/Ep_Games/Leiras/Amstrad_CPC_Program_Pack.htm)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Ygdrazil on 11:31, 12 November 14

Hah Clever


It seems to emulate the Locomotive Basic rom!  :D  (My hungarian is a bit rusty)


/Ygdrazil

Quote from: Prodatron on 10:50, 12 November 14
Yes sure ;)
click (http://www.ep128.hu/Ep_Util/Amstrad_CPC_emu.htm)

and its really working fine (http://www.ep128.hu/Ep_Games/Leiras/Amstrad_CPC_Program_Pack.htm)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: SyX on 17:16, 12 November 14
I hope they have fixed the FILL command, because the last time that i tested during RetroMadrid i got an spectacular crash, hehehe.

Quote from: Prodatron on 16:26, 09 November 14
Thanks to the Nick graphic chip you can define different colours for the task bar and the rest of the screen without using hardware tricks.
You could use the NMI interrupt in the PlayCity for adding the raster, although i don't know if it's possible in Symbos, but certanly having another palette for the task bar improve the look a lot :)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Gryzor on 17:42, 12 November 14
Damn you Prodatron, you'll have us all (well, all four of us) dragging our Enterprises out of storage to try this out... :D

btw, I liked the grey version!
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: MacDeath on 19:22, 12 November 14
I guess to redo the firmware can enable full Basic emulation, but some palette limitations when dealing with pure CPC palette as I remember Enterprise can only really choose half of the palette in 16 colours mode.

may be nice to check if NEC PC6601 could also somewhat emulate CPC, sort of same specifications on the paper. ;D
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Trebmint on 21:04, 12 November 14
Quote from: SyX on 17:16, 12 November 14
I hope they have fixed the FILL command, because the last time that i tested during RetroMadrid i got an spectacular crash, hehehe.
You could use the NMI interrupt in the PlayCity for adding the raster, although i don't know if it's possible in Symbos, but certanly having another palette for the task bar improve the look a lot :)
Wow that would be cool. I'm going to badger Prodatron until he does this :P
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: TFM on 21:13, 12 November 14
And w/o PlayCity you can probably use interrupt 5 after frame.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 22:31, 12 November 14
Quote from: Trebmint on 21:04, 12 November 14
Wow that would be cool. I'm going to badger Prodatron until he does this :P
Oh no  ;D Using the PlayCity should exactly make this possible. Not sure were the 5. irq exactly happens, and if it would waste some CPU times while waiting for the correct position to change the colours.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: SyX on 00:18, 13 November 14
Quote from: Prodatron on 22:31, 12 November 14
Oh no  ;D Using the PlayCity should exactly make this possible.
Sooooorry, but that task bar in blue, it looks sooooo pretyyyyyyy ;)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Trebmint on 00:33, 13 November 14
Quote from: SyX on 00:18, 13 November 14
Sooooorry, but that task bar in blue, it looks sooooo pretyyyyyyy ;)
It does look pretty. So we need to get Prodatron to implement this for Playcity, and Richard to get implement Playcity in Winape :)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 00:19, 11 December 14
Today I finished one of the last important parts of the SymbOS port for the Enterprise 64/128, the SD card interface driver. Thanks a lot to Gergely and Zozosoft for this great expansion card!
SymbOS playing videos on the Enterprise 128 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW4LTVcP9x8#ws)
It was quite cool, that I neither needed to modify the videoplayer nor to convert the video files  ;D
The TV-picture is really crap, I am still waiting for my Scart cable.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: MacDeath on 02:22, 11 December 14
are those visual glitches usual when you use this computer with this screen ?


Anyway nice to have symbOS ported... I mean, so SymbOs applications (Apps ? how do you call them ?) can freely run on both CPC and Enterprise ?

Or do they need some sort of patches ?
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: robcfg on 02:29, 11 December 14
I'm interested in the SD card expansion. Do I need a floppy controller with that to be able to boot SymbOS? Or load disk images from the SD card?
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Ygdrazil on 08:34, 11 December 14

Same question from here...


@MacDeath (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=221)


SymbOS applications run unmodified on all platforms .....


I still have trouble understanding how graphics formats are handled though.


Is graphics eg. downrendered to eg. Joyce from a CPC or MSX? How is this accieved without a severe penalty?


/Ygdrazil



Quote from: robcfg on 02:29, 11 December 14
I'm interested in the SD card expansion. Do I need a floppy controller with that to be able to boot SymbOS? Or load disk images from the SD card?
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Trebmint on 10:30, 11 December 14
Quote from: Ygdrazil on 08:34, 11 December 14
Same question from here...


@MacDeath (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=221)


SymbOS applications run unmodified on all platforms .....


I still have trouble understanding how graphics formats are handled though.


Is graphics eg. downrendered to eg. Joyce from a CPC or MSX? How is this accieved without a severe penalty?


/Ygdrazil
Symbos looks at each block of graphics each time it has to render them to the screen, as each has a mode attached to it. The graphics are modified and then marked with a new mode, so the next time they will be suitable without modification. The answer is there is a penalty the first time the graphics is used but afterwards there is none
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 15:31, 11 December 14
@MacDeath (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=221): Most of the apps don't use platform specific code, and these all run on all platforms, it doesn't matter if CPC, MSX, PCW or EP. There are some CPC-specific apps (Snapshot loader, SF2 Rom manager), but all other ones are already running on the Enterprise without any modifications.
@Ygdrazil (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7): Displaying 4 colour graphics in 2 colour modes (CPC Mode 2, PCW, Enterprise 640x200) is done in realtime. This is possible in quite a fast way, as the palette in SymbOS is choosen in a way, that you only need to cut the upper bit for each pixel; as you have splitted the information in two nibble you just take the one with the lower bits and copy it into the screen. The CPC and the EP have the same way of encoding the colours, so there is no need to convert anything.
On the MSX the colour encoding is different (it's done in a more logical way). Here it is like Trebmint described: Graphic data is converted automatically before it is displayed for the first time. Each graphic object has some flags, which describe the colour depth and the way of encoding. On the MSX 4 colour graphics are converted in realtime if beeing displayed in 16 colour mode, and 16 colour graphics are converted in realtime if beeing displayed in 4 colour mode. The application itself usually doesn't know anything about all this. The only problem is, if an application is modifying a graphic after it has already been displayed. In this way it has to take care about the actual type of encoding. As there are only two types ("CPC" and "logical") of encodings the amount of additional code is quite small. There is already a library for this as Trebmint mentioned.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: beaker on 22:18, 10 May 15
Hi, I've just got my SD card for the Enterprise working. Going to get the 1MB upgrade hopefully to use Symbos properly but what's they keys to select anything? The mouse cursor seems to happily move around using the joystick but alas, it's as far as I can get.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 22:38, 10 May 15
Quote from: beaker on 22:18, 10 May 15
Hi, I've just got my SD card for the Enterprise working. Going to get the 1MB upgrade hopefully to use Symbos properly but what's they keys to select anything? The mouse cursor seems to happily move around using the joystick but alas, it's as far as I can get.
The usual mouse emulation in SymbOS is the same for all systems:
Press ALT (=Copy on CPC, Graph on MSX, Alt on PCW) + cursor keys for moving the pointer and ALT + space for clicking (left mouse button). ALT + Ins on the enterprise is the right mouse key.
The Enterprise doesn't have real cursor keys, as they have been replaced by its "internal" joystick, so you use this instead. The SymbOS EP version is the first which provides an alternative mouse mode: Press the INS key to switch between cursor and mouse control. When switching to mouse control, you don't need to press the ALT key, but just use the internal joystick and press "Hold", "Stop" for left/right mouse button.
The EP together with the SD Card Interface + 1MB is really powerful btw.! :) Zozosoft even added 10MHz Z80 mode to my machine, which is awesome! I use the upper slot of the SD card interface for EP FAT12 software and the lower slot (micro SD) for FAT32 SymbOS data).
The best hardware thing what I did by myself was adding a powerswitch to the PSU (the Enterprise doesn't have a powerswitch :D ).
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: beaker on 22:58, 10 May 15
That worked perfectly, thanks  :D

I've emailed Saint to see what boards he has left  :D Do you have any details on the 10Mhz mod? That sounds interesting.  Also great idea on the mod switch. I am so used to it on my Amiga's it seems to obvious now.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 23:51, 10 May 15
Quote from: beaker on 22:58, 10 May 15
That worked perfectly, thanks  :D

I've emailed Saint to see what boards he has left  :D Do you have any details on the 10Mhz mod? That sounds interesting.  Also great idea on the mod switch. I am so used to it on my Amiga's it seems to obvious now.
Saint seems to produce new memory expansion boards on a regulare base. He provides 512KB and 1024KB, but I think 1024KB is always the best choice :)
Regarding the 7 or 10MHz Z80 mod: I have no idea about the details, but Zozosoft is an expert here. Can you contact him via the Enterprise (http://enterpriseforever.com) forum? I can also give you his email.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 00:18, 12 May 15
Hope you got a reply?
Internal memory expansion (http://enterpriseforever.com/hardware/exp1-and-exp2-pinouts/msg45055/#msg45055)
I can also check it on the EP128 30years birthdayparty this weekend in Budapest!
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: beaker on 09:40, 12 May 15
Hi Prodatron,

I did, thanks for the kind offer  :D Saint hadn't got any 1MB units left so I bought a 512k one last night. I'll send my machine back to TheCorfiot next week to get that installed and EXOS 2.4 beta5  ;D
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: MacDeath on 21:21, 14 May 15
QuoteI can also check it on the EP128 30years birthdayparty this weekend in Budapest!
QuoteEP128 30years birthdayparty this weekend in Budapest!
:o

whot ?
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 01:13, 15 May 15
Quote from: MacDeath on 21:21, 14 May 15whot ?
Budapest is such an impressive city btw :D (we just arrived here, and now looking forward to the EP party at saturday :) )
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: MacDeath on 02:33, 15 May 15
Hope you'll be able to post some nice report on the event.
;)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: villain on 22:40, 16 May 15
Quote from: Prodatron on 01:13, 15 May 15
Budapest is such an impressive city btw :D (we just arrived here, and now looking forward to the EP party at saturday :) )

Budapest is really beautiful, you have to do some sightseeing. But from my point of view there's way too much "Orban culture" during the last years in Hungary.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Bryce on 22:58, 16 May 15
Quote from: villain on 22:40, 16 May 15
Budapest is really beautiful, you have to do some sightseeing. But from my point of view there's way too much "Orban culture" during the last years in Hungary.

I lived in Hungary for two years (1996/7). In Siófok, but we were up in Budapest most weekends. I was back recently and it has completely changed. The "cool" is gone and the commercial has taken over.

Bryce.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 01:34, 19 May 15
People on the Enterprise 128 birthday party.
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Gecos Amstrad CPC Emulator running on the Enterprise. Crazy how good this is working!
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Another Geco emulator: The ZX Spectrum playing Flappy Birds. It's converting Spectrum software to the Enterprise Hardware while loading on the fly by analyzing the code, which is really cool!
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The only none EP-system at this day: SymbOS running on the One-Chip-MSX to demonstrate network support and how it runs on other Z80 machines.
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Playing Spectrum software on the left and running SymbOS on the right machine. SzörG (the guy with the yellow T-Shirt) is the producer of the SD card interface, which enables the Enterprise to load nearly all existing software from FAT-based SD card within its native operating system!
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Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 01:38, 19 May 15
Two EPs playing video: The left a native one, the right within SymbOS :D
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That was a great moment for Bruce Tanner, the creator of the Enterprise Basic ("IS-Basic") and the Basic for its hungarian brother, the Videotron TVC Computer: Running both of his babies next to each other at the same time! :)
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The hungarians really know, how to make good birthday cakes! That is a 1:1 copy of a german Enterprise 128 computer! And it was really very tasty!
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SymbOS running on the prototype of the successor of the Enterprise 128 from 1986. This included a 6Mhz Z80, 320KB RAM and an inbuilt EXDOS FDC board, but was never released, as the company went bankrupt. So this is probably one of the only existing boards ever.
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A close look at the EP successor prototype main board.
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The new "Enterpress" magazine for the 30.birthday of the EP128!
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Zozosofts expansion board nearly fully equipped: a "MotherX4" for the Enterprise! :)
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Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 01:56, 19 May 15
Bruce Tanner, the original developer of IS-Basic (right) and Povi from the hungarian EP scene (left) are celebrating the 30.Birthday of the EP128
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Bruce is demonstrating, that his IS-Basic supports 1024KB and more :) (you can store nearly any amount of programs at the same time, which can communicate and switch between each other).
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Bruce Tanner with his baby.
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Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 02:32, 19 May 15
The meeting was really cool! The EP scene is small but so organised and productive. Zozosoft, one of the most active 8bit guys I met during the last time, organized the meeting, and even Bruce Tanner, the member of the british Enterprise team ("Intelligent Software") of the 80ies and developer of the very powerful IS-Basic was participating as our star guest! (like Roland Perry would be for the Amstrad :) ) Most of the EP guys took part like Povi, Geco, the author of all the EP emulators (CPC Emulator for the Enterprise, ZX Spectrum Emulator for the Enterprise, ZX81 Emulator, VIC20 Emulator etc.), SzörG (creator of the SD card interface, which can be used directly in the EP DOS), LGB (creator of the EP JavaScript emulator) and much more - unfortunately I couldn't keep all names at this first meeting... I really enjoyed it with all these nice guys!
Oh, and Budapest is just a fantastic city! :)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Gryzor on 19:05, 19 May 15
Seriously? The CPC emulated on the E? Had no idea! How cool is that...
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 21:32, 19 May 15
Quote from: Gryzor on 19:05, 19 May 15
Seriously? The CPC emulated on the E? Had no idea! How cool is that...
Gryzor, you were already surprised 6 years ago in the EP forum! :)
-> CPC emulation on Enterprise (http://enterpriseforever.com/summaries-from-the-hungarian-topics/cpc-emulation-on-enterprise/msg13795/#msg13795)

Geco released the first version in 2006:
-> Emulators - CPCWiki (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Emulators#EXOS)

A LOT of software is running:
-> ep128.hu/Ep_Games/Leiras/Amstrad_CPC_Program_Pack.htm
(btw. do you have a problem with your blacklist in the CPCWiki-forum?)



Regarding to an article in a german retro magazin ("Return #13") 15% of all CPC-464 software is running in this emulator. This is a higher number of programs compared to these which have been developed for the EP directly!  :o
Btw Geco doesn't call it "Emulator" but "Simulator" :)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: MacDeath on 23:14, 19 May 15
Budapest ? were are the other photos/video, I mean the brothel taken ones ?
:laugh:

(yeah, according to the internet, budapest is also european paid sex capital city as well... sorry...)


anyway thx for the chèring...

Also : Thomson MO6/TO8 rulez... hope for a good crossdev within CPC/TO/E128/PLUS...


QuoteSeriously? The CPC emulated on the E? Had no idea! How cool is that...
seriously ? have you ever seen those pages (I somewhat edited) in you own Wiki about E64-128 ? our beloved and respected Z80 "cousin" ?

QuoteRegarding to an article in a german retro magazin ("Return #13") 15% of all CPC-464 software is running in this emulator.
15% of few touzhands... thats still a lot of hundreads...

impressing, actually pehaps as many as "speccy ports" on CPC respectively...
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 23:44, 19 May 15
Quote from: MacDeath on 23:14, 19 May 15
Budapest ? were are the other photos/video, I mean the brothel taken ones ?
:D MacDeath, you are incorrigible! :D
There is exactly one little very concentrated "tourist trap" street called the vaci (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A1ci_Street) street, but I didn't see more similiar things during my short trip :) We tested some nice bars during the evenings, and the Hungarians were just very cool people.
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Gryzor on 07:14, 20 May 15
Quote from: MacDeath on 23:14, 19 May 15
seriously ? have you ever seen those pages (I somewhat edited) in you own Wiki about E64-128 ? our beloved and respected Z80 "cousin" ?


Haha you got me there :D (I did see your initial links)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 21:45, 02 September 15
2,5 weeks ago there was the Árok Paryt #17 in Hungary, and they were celebrating the 30.birthday of the Enterprise once more.
SzörG made a huge presentation about his SD card interface and how SymbOS is running with it (starting at 54:54):


Again he choosed the switzerland advertising spot like in his former video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhK0iLIZcrY)  for the presentation :)
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Singaja on 22:22, 02 September 15
English subtitles would be great^  :P
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: MacDeath on 22:28, 02 September 15
or even in French...
;D
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Gryzor on 17:26, 19 September 15
Or even Greek... :D
Title: Re: SymbOS for the Enterprise 128
Post by: Prodatron on 18:39, 19 September 15
For some languages the automatic subtitle feature works quite good in YouTube, unfortunately not in this case :)
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