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Title: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Ynot.zer0 on 09:02, 06 May 11



http://rossum.posterous.com/a-little-atari-810-disk-drive (http://rossum.posterous.com/a-little-atari-810-disk-drive)


nice concept....
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Bryce on 09:09, 06 May 11
That is seriously cool and the case is so well made. And I thought my PCBs were tiny :D

Now where's my soldering iron, my 800XL is getting one of these :)

Bryce.
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: arnoldemu on 09:18, 06 May 11
really nice.
So does this emulate the controller as well?
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Bryce on 09:29, 06 May 11
Which controller do you mean? The Atari uses a serial Protocol (SIO) to talk to peripherals and doesn't really know what's actually connected to the other end, so the device is just answering SIO commands and doesn't need to emulate an FDC if that's what you meant.

However, the designer chose a very powerful ARM micro-controller IC, which also isn't very easy to program.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: SyX on 09:53, 06 May 11
How Bryce said there is not controller for the Atari (how in the case of the C64) his disk drive is attached  to a "glorificated" serial port. You can read more info about the SIO port here (http://www.allpinouts.org/index.php/ATARI_8_bit_Serial_Input/Output_%28SIO%29).

Really nice that mini-me disk drive :D ... I like too this project (http://www.stephens-home.com/sio2usb/), well i dream with one of that for the cpc with the bonus of an NMI button for Multiface or Action Replay emulation for debugging from the pc via usb  8)
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Bryce on 10:09, 06 May 11
@SyX: I'm working on a CPC Parallel to USB card, but it's far from finished because I'm too busy doing other things. Unfortunately the CPC has no real serial options to use, so it has to use the 50 way expansion port. I'll let you know when there's any progress so that you can start developing software for it ;)

Bryce.
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Sykobee (Briggsy) on 10:44, 06 May 11
That's really neat. Clever things these modern microcontrollers - this one has 32KB flash, 8KB RAM, up to 50MHz ARM Cortex M0, serial, and more.


Who wants to make a tiny DD1?
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Ynot.zer0 on 11:07, 06 May 11
Quote from: Briggsy on 10:44, 06 May 11
Who wants to make a tiny DD1?
I'll buy at least 4 if anyone ever does make a tiny DD1   8)   (I'll settle for a design and 'make it yourself' instructions, if someone has the know-how but doesn't want to build it)
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: fano on 11:30, 06 May 11
Quote from: ynot.zer0 on 11:07, 06 May 11
I'll buy at least 4 if anyone ever does make a tiny DD1   8)   (I'll settle for a design and 'make it yourself' instructions, if someone has the know-how but doesn't want to build it)
That would be sooo lovely <3
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Bryce on 12:33, 06 May 11
Here it is. And I didn't even need an ARM Processor, just Gimp and about 5 Minutes :D

Bryce.


Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: MacDeath on 12:36, 06 May 11
wow this is so tiny cuty :o

KAWAIIIIIIIIIIIII !
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: SyX on 12:43, 06 May 11
Quote from: Bryce on 10:09, 06 May 11
@SyX: I'm working on a CPC Parallel to USB card, but it's far from finished because I'm too busy doing other things. Unfortunately the CPC has no real serial options to use, so it has to use the 50 way expansion port. I'll let you know when there's any progress so that you can start developing software for it ;)
Nice!!!  8)   Give me an I/O port and I will move the world!!!  :D

Quote from: Bryce on 12:33, 06 May 11
Here it is. And I didn't even need an ARM Processor, just Gimp and about 5 Minutes :D
Mr. Bryce... You are the Best!!! ;D ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: MaV on 12:52, 06 May 11
Quote from: ynot.zer0 on 09:02, 06 May 11
http://rossum.posterous.com/a-little-atari-810-disk-drive (http://rossum.posterous.com/a-little-atari-810-disk-drive)
nice concept....
CUUUTE!

If I show that one to my wife, she'll want one! ;)


Quote from: bryce
Here it is. And I didn't even need an ARM Processor, just Gimp and about 5 Minutes (http://cpcwiki.eu/forum/Smileys/akyhne/cheesy.gif)

So, if we give you another day, you'll do a work of concept out of this, then after another week, you're ready to ship us the completed boards, am I right? ;)
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Bryce on 12:58, 06 May 11
Dream on...

Bryce.
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Gryzor on 13:22, 06 May 11
Indeed, the best thing about this thingy is its form factor. I'd die for a CPC one...
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: MaV on 13:44, 06 May 11
Quote from: Gryzor on 13:22, 06 May 11
Indeed, the best thing about this thingy is its form factor. I'd die for a CPC one...

There are two versions needed. One that acts as a second drive for 6128s and 664s (like a tiny HxC Floppy Emulator) and another one that implements a complete Floppy controller on top of that for the 464s.

Given that the ARM uC on the Atari Drive "just" implements the SIO protocol, a tiny CPC version would need a lot more effort hardware-wise, especially the 464 version.
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Sykobee (Briggsy) on 15:52, 06 May 11
Quote from: MaV on 13:44, 06 May 11
There are two versions needed. One that acts as a second drive for 6128s and 664s (like a tiny HxC Floppy Emulator) and another one that implements a complete Floppy controller on top of that for the 464s.

Given that the ARM uC on the Atari Drive "just" implements the SIO protocol, a tiny CPC version would need a lot more effort hardware-wise, especially the 464 version.


Yeah, the Atari has the benefit of being a serial interface which makes this device simpler to make, but slow.


A 464 version would need the floppy controller and AmsDOS ROM, and presumably a parallel to serial convertor to the drive. You're probably better off starting the design with a low-end FPGA really...
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Gryzor on 18:19, 06 May 11
Whatever! I'd settle for something that looked like it even if it had a hidden box connected to it somewhere else!
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: steve on 22:05, 06 May 11
How about an SD controller + SD card that occupied a rom slot in a rombox?

Or plugged into the z80 socket

Here is something that would work.http://www.zxbada.bbk.org/zxmmc/ (http://www.zxbada.bbk.org/zxmmc/)

Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: SyX on 17:58, 04 December 11
I have a cold and when i have a cold i read strange pages :P

Take a look (https://www.commodoreserver.com/BlogEntryView.asp?BID=D31E7915D4204192A741061BD5C7C99D&EID=0B55CA414691476BBDCFE6A995A1E0CB)!!!  ;D I prefer the Atari version, but it's really nice, too.
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: TFM on 23:33, 04 December 11
Quote from: Bryce on 09:29, 06 May 11
Which controller do you mean? The Atari uses a serial Protocol (SIO) to talk to peripherals and doesn't really know what's actually connected to the other end, so the device is just answering SIO commands ...Bryce.

So a RS232 can be used as input device?
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Bryce on 09:39, 05 December 11
It's slightly different to RS232, but generally, Yes.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Tiny Atari SD Card Disk Drive
Post by: Gryzor on 17:58, 05 December 11
Quote from: SyX on 17:58, 04 December 11
I have a cold and when i have a cold i read strange pages :P

Take a look (https://www.commodoreserver.com/BlogEntryView.asp?BID=D31E7915D4204192A741061BD5C7C99D&EID=0B55CA414691476BBDCFE6A995A1E0CB)!!!  ;D I prefer the Atari version, but it's really nice, too.

So. Damn. Cute.
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