Digitize music on CPC or midi converter !?

[Bryce]

Yeah, but not a very good one, as far as I can remember, it converts the analogue value to 6bit data and the linearity is questionable. Better to build an external ADC circuit that works on all CPCs.

Bryce.

[arnoldemu]

Could the analogue ports on the plus models be used as an audio digitiser?

I don't think they are refreshed by the hardware fast enough.
" They  are updated approximately 200 times per second".

[Bryce]

That's because they don't use a "real" ADC, the input value is fed into a comparator (LA6393) and compared with 6 different reference values, one after another. This also means that the time between samples is dependent on the actual value measured which means that the sample rate isn't linear. This is fine for Analogue Joysticks, but would really mess up music.

Bryce.

[arnoldemu]

Work all  correctly, i save the memory area and i load it when i need
Another question for the "gurus" Is possible grab the music from the demo ? and use it !?

Thanks for all!
Belzey

Yes you can grab the music.


You can:
1. record the sound into YM format (you can use an emulator to do this). This can then be played on the CPC.
2. Somebody can look at the code of your program, find the music player and extract it.

So yes it is possible to take music from a demo or game easily and use it again.

This information is about cpc music.

Are you talking about a demo or game on another computer?

Again it is possible to extract it, but then you must convert it to the Amstrad which can be hard to do.

[arnoldemu]

From a Hardware point of view, would a hardware solution be of any use? ie: A decent A/D Convertor mapped to an address that you could read from? That way you could connect any source (MP3 Player etc) to the device and a software loop could sample the port at the bit-rate you wanted?

Bryce.

It would be nice for the CPC, but I would normally sample the sound on the PC and convert it.
But, if it was cheap it would be a nice addition to the wiki.

I am now ready for MacDeath to jump in and ask for a Flash based cart, with read/write ram, and also an a/d mapped into the address space too 

[Devilmarkus]

I am now ready for MacDeath to jump in and ask for a Flash based cart, with read/write ram, and also an a/d mapped into the address space too 

Optimized for FutureOS? (With FutureOS tools to access the flash card?)

[Bryce]

You forgot the USB 3.0 port and Bluetooth transmitter so that it can also be synchronised with your PC

Bryce.

[steve]

What we Really need is a cartridge that can make youtube videos from a running game/program and save them to disk (178k) , for later transfer to the PC for uploading.

[Devilmarkus]

What we Really need is a cartridge that can make youtube videos from a running game/program and save them to disk (178k) , for later transfer to the PC for uploading.

Please insert Disk 1 side A.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 1 side B.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 2 side A.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 2 side B.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 3 side A.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 3 side B.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 4 side A.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 4 side B.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 5 side A.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 5 side B.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 6 side A.
  copying....
  Please insert Disk 6 side B.
  copying....

Ok I stop now...

[redbox]

1. record the sound into YM format (you can use an emulator to do this). This can then be played on the CPC.
2. Somebody can look at the code of your program, find the music player and extract it.

I have tried option 1 and the results were always at best, not quite right and at worst, very poor.


Option 2 is better for a 'perfect rip', but then again the player code might be crappy and not well optimised.


I wish there was a better way of doing this!

[belzebu]

Yes, sorry, i m talking about Amstrad CPC
I haven't understand how to re-use the grabbed sound in YM format in to another program...
Sorry i m not a beginner, i m a snow puppet in the storm

Bye
Belzy

[RockRiver]

There's a new version of "MID2ASM"... by Karl McNeil and Matt Westcott. Maybe they are not missing like MIDI2AY author...

ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/tools/pc/Mid2ASM.zip

Works better than MIDI2AY ? I will try it...

Thanks a lot  for the explanation about  assemble ASM using wincpc/winape assembler and the ASM music player...

[arnoldemu]

Yes, sorry, i m talking about Amstrad CPC
I haven't understand how to re-use the grabbed sound in YM format in to another program...
Sorry i m not a beginner, i m a snow puppet in the storm

Bye
Belzy

first or use an emulator to make ym file:
http://www.grimware.org/doku.php/documentations/software/starkos/howto.sks2ym
stk2ym

then:
http://genesis8.free.fr/frontend/dmusic.php
kitay03.zip

now you have ayc file, then use this to play:

PLAY-AY .SCE

for arkos tracker:

AKSToYM then do the rest with kitay.

kitay needs special YM files (not compressed).

Perhaps a tutorial is needed to help?

[arnoldemu]

first or use an emulator to make ym file:
http://www.grimware.org/doku.php/documentations/software/starkos/howto.sks2ym
stk2ym

then:
http://genesis8.free.fr/frontend/dmusic.php
kitay03.zip

now you have ayc file, then use this to play:

PLAY-AY .SCE

for arkos tracker:

AKSToYM then do the rest with kitay.

kitay needs special YM files (not compressed).

Perhaps a tutorial is needed to help?

Some info on push n pop:
http://www.pushnpop.net/index.php?action=posts&category=3&id=32&page=1#lastpost

[RockRiver]

I've made a small MIDI decoder. Maybe I'll make a MIDI to YM converter with this ?

That will be great!!!! And YM to AY ?
I am a musician (MIDI user) I want to compose throught MIDI (score) and later go to "chipmusic" CPC (AY)...
There was an util to play Music System (RainBird) *.mus files at MIDI interface out... otherwise could be coded?:  Simple MIDI 3 tracks file to AY assembler?

MIDI2AY is for zx spectrum frequencies 

Arkos Tracker don't understand musical MIDI rests... and you only could record one channel MIDI to Arkos not the three AY channels together


Excellent CPC music summary page (in French if you don't understand  try google translator  )

[RockRiver]

Please moderators/webmasters/CPCgods  you could change this to "Applications" or "Programing". I found it lucky search in google for MIDI & CPC...
Music is a very important part of our CPCs...

[McKlain]

Couldn't agree more.

[RockRiver]

On the other side..... AY player .....

now you have ayc file, then use this to play:

PLAY-AY .SCE

AYC is the same than AY file ?

Spectrum have his AY player SpecAY (it works OK) and this is possible for CPC ?   

AYC player (play-ay.sce) could read *.AY files ? Maybe midi2ay.asm ? Or need the coversion AYtoYM (with Bulba's AY emulator) then YMtoAYC ... And play then play a "real" *.ayc ?

[Gryzor]

...aaand done. Hadn't noticed it, and indeed there should be no reason whatsoever for the OT section. That said, why didn't you post in that thread?

[Jase]

Welcome back, mate! Really glad to have you here...

If you don't know about music I'd suggest (like Markus did) to pair up with a musician and share the project... it'll be much easier and the result will be much better....

PS About Markus' vid: I'm not sure if we're listening to the music or looking at the chicks...

There's music? Damn...

[Neil Hopkinson]

AA had a couple of Type-ins which dealt with capturing and digitalising sound (one being Sound Sampler I think from AA15), though the one I thought was pretty good is RSX Speech from AA85:

   
• http://cpcoxygen.fxwebdevelopment.com/amstrad_action/AA085/jpg/scans/aa85-40.jpg
• http://cpcoxygen.fxwebdevelopment.com/amstrad_action/AA085/jpg/scans/aa85-41.jpg

in one of the following AAs there was a patch for it which allowed people with 128k to put longer sound recordings in the extra 64k which made it really handy!    You can find it here!

Thanks for this . I was the one who wrote RSX Speech. I got £25 for it ha ha

[sigh]

Never seen this before! Will have to give it a try.

[AMSDOS]

Thanks for this . I was the one who wrote RSX Speech. I got £25 for it ha ha

Cool, it's always nice to hear from the authors.    Somebody did a patch on your program, which was a Hot Tip in a later issue of AA Forum, which allowed anyone (I think) with 128k, to use the extra 64k to extend their Digital Sounds, wasn't sure if that was you or not. 


EDIT: LOL I'm not reading my threads carefully enough. 


Yeah it would of been sad when AA stopping handing out £25, just because people weren't sending in their own programs. 

[Devilmarkus]

I remember only 1 RSX-Speech, which was a rip-off of Superior Software's speech.
It also had the original Superior Speech RSX commands, but they werent working.

Where can I find a copy of your RSX-Speech?

[AMSDOS]

I remember only 1 RSX-Speech, which was a rip-off of Superior Software's speech.
It also had the original Superior Speech RSX commands, but they werent working.

Where can I find a copy of your RSX-Speech?

I can type in the program which was in AA85 and post it here along with the Modifications which were in AA87 I think. It's not like RSX Speech I'm thinking of where you type in a RSX and it speaks whatever you've typed in. From memory the idea was to record a speech from Tape and the program had some way of capturing that sound, the modification of it from AA87 meant that if anyone had 128Kb, they could use the extra 64K for their Sound. Some of the stuff I was trying it on I think allowed up to 30 seconds of Digital sound. Only trouble is it might need a real CPC to do the job cause it works from Tape.