CF2 Compact Floppy Disc

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The 3" discs for the Amstrad Disk Drive are called CF2 (Compact Floppy Disc). CF2 discs were produced by AMSOFT, MAXELL, Schneider, Panasonic. In late eighties, cheaper Noname discs were also available (although these were rather unreliable).

Capacity is 180 Kbytes per side (the discs can be flipped to access the other side, giving a total of 360 Kbytes per disc).

Dimensions are 80x100x5mm. (more or less, depending the manufacturer)

(This article, File:Amstrad Computer User8504 072.jpg, also mentions something called Hitachi HFD-2 discs.)

In 1982 to 1983, there were some "microfloppy" formats competing to replace the 5¼″ floppy. However, in 1984 Apple choose the Sony 3½″ drives for their Macintosh computer. The Sony format became the de facto microfloppy standard but other formats, including the Hitachi 3″ and the 5¼″ still had plenty of life left in it. In 1987 IBM choose 3½″ in PS/2 PC architecture.

Alan Sugar, sign a deal with the manufacturers of three-inch disk drives to sell him units at a fixed percentage beneath the lowest-priced 3.5-inch drive, he got the cheapest option going for generations of computers. In 1985 a CPC computer appeared with 3" floppy. Towards the end, it was rumoured, Hitachi had to keep a factory going just for Amstrad — it lost money on each drive, but not as much as if it had broken the contract—. 3" format saw its finest hour in the PCW range of CP/M word processors which sold by the million: its passing leaves the world with a legacy of documents.

  • CF2 Drive hardware makers:

Hitachi, Matsushita, Maxell, Teac, Amstrad

  • Computers and Media Drives that use 3" CF2 standard:
- AMDECK (AMDISK) [1982] : external drive for TRS-80 , IBM PC , Atari 400/800 , Apple II
- YAMAHA MDR-1 [1983] : sequencer for professional organs. Pre-MIDI 
- National MyBrain 3000 [1983] : computer
- Gavilan Laptop [1983]
- Tatung Einstein [1984]
- Oric Atmos external Disc Drive [1984]
- Sega SF-7000 Disc Drive (for Sega SC-3000 computer) [1984]
- Timex FDD / FDD-3000 drive ( for ZX Spectrum and Timex ) [1985]
- Amstrad / Schneider CPC [1985]
- Amstrad / Schneider PCW (8000 series) [1985]
- Sinclair Spectrum +3 [1987]
- Amstrad PCW 9000 series [1987]
- Amstrad CPC+ [1990]

PCW 8000 drive B or 9000 series drive A can handle the DD format (720k). Spectrum +3 bios can handle too if you add one of those PCW CF2-DD units (or 3,5" drive). Some CPC utils and ROMS would use PCW format (Knife) or PC DOS FAT12 720k format (BonnyDOS) (SymbOS).

3 Inch Discs Comments from John King

There is not much to be said about these 3 inch discs other than there is only one type but produced by a number of different manufacturers -- some good quality, many bad quality. I have identified what the years have shown me to be good quality, long lasting discs but beware do not judge the discs you might be offered by their paper labels as many cheap copies from suspect makers have appear in the market place, look at the discs themselves.

The Good

  • Genuine Amsoft (Amstrad) 3" CF-2DD: This type of disc was originally supplied for the double head 720K drives at an enhanced price, then Amstrad admitted that these discs were no different to their other offering (see the first disc).

The Bad

  • Dixions Store supplied: Found to be unreliable and not to servive the rigours of time -- to be avoided at all costs!
  • Maker Unknown - Blank6 & Blank11: These discs are found to be unreliable and do not last the rigours of time -- to be avoided at all costs.
  • Copy (or poor quality) Amsoft: These discs normally come with an Amsoft label and I am lead to believe that they are cheap copies -- to be aviod at all costs. These discs tend to become corrupt and or fall to pieces.
  • Wiz Disc: Origin of manufacture is unknown but a test of six discs from the same batch revealled that most would not format to 720K but were fine at 180K -- to be avioded at all costs.
  • Diskxpress: Supplied by Diskxpress -- to be avioded at all costs.

And the should know better

  • A look-a-like Maxell 3: Poor quality, jams in drive. Note no serial number on side 'B' unlike the Maxell disc it is trying to copy!


My comments - Jonathanen: When John King has told me about CF-2DD discs for the first time after I've purchased one of them (with the Blue label) back in Friday 2nd April 2004 as a souvenir as well purchasing other Amstrad CPC / PCW stuff from him (I was his regular customer, always calling him to reserve the items for me to collect after I've checked out his web site and then I travel 2 - 3 hrs by train, checking / testing out the merchandise at his house when I got there, collect, paid him by cash and then make another 2 - 3 hrs back on my way home, I didn't care how far he lives or how heavy the items that I'm carrying on my way back, as long I got the items that I always wanted), I thought he was making it up, until when I got home and decided to tested out his own theory, it turns out that he is right along and it works perfectly. Then, I've tried the reverse order using any standard CF-2 discs as CF-2DD discs, and it turns out that I'm right as well, as it works perfectly - check out my "Re-using 3 Inch Floppy Discs with Bad Sectors" link to see what I mean.

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