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Problems for dump games to .CDT
« on: 12:33, 04 March 10 »
Hi at alls, i am a big fan italian of AMSTRAD CPC scene, i have tried at dumping many my old tapes, but I found several problems with some games that use special protections.
The programs used by me are: SAMP2CDT, CPCTAPEXP, Audacity.
I saw several protections Speedlock but many are not supported by samp2cdt,.
The problems I had are with the following titles.

SORCERY (flashloading version)
Gauntlet 2 (border green and cyan) dont 'work in the emulators, impossible.
MOT
DOUBLE DRAGON DOUBLE DRAGON & 2
CONTINENTAL CIRCUS
PUFFYS SAGA
GET DEXTER 2
LEMMINGS
Please advice?
I see wich many games converted in to .CDT, with protections not supportet by SAMP2CDT.  >:(
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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #1 on: 12:37, 04 March 10 »
I seem to remember a program reviewed in Amstrad Action towards the end of the mags life, think the program was called 'SoftLock' or similar sounding... this program would get round the protection and copy the games to disk or other source from tape. 

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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #2 on: 00:56, 05 March 10 »
Yes,the program is here:

http://cpcoxygen.fxwebdevelopment.com/amstrad_action/AA104/jpg/scans/aa104-27.jpg

but Does this dump?.I have not seen him around.

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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #3 on: 10:37, 05 March 10 »
 ;D Excuse me, i haven't explained very well the problem.
I don't wont transfer the cassette games in to the DISK.
I want know how do to create the images of a some of games (on tapes) in to .CDT.
Not all the protections are supported but i have see an image .cdt of (MOT, LEMMINGS, SORCERY (flashloading version) )
I have tried with this games but nothing.   >:(

p.s. i have the original game GAUNTLET 2 with the impossible protection (borders green and cyan), but i have see wich the image.cdt don't work on emulators.   :-X   :o :o
Excuse me for my poor english, hope in a your help.
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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #4 on: 12:25, 05 March 10 »
;D Excuse me, i haven't explained very well the problem.
I don't wont transfer the cassette games in to the DISK.
I want know how do to create the images of a some of games (on tapes) in to .CDT.
Not all the protections are supported but i have see an image .cdt of (MOT, LEMMINGS, SORCERY (flashloading version) )
I have tried with this games but nothing.   >:(

p.s. i have the original game GAUNTLET 2 with the impossible protection (borders green and cyan), but i have see wich the image.cdt don't work on emulators.   :-X   :o :o
Excuse me for my poor english, hope in a your help.
samp2cdt hasn't been updated for a long time so doesn't support a lot of loaders as you have found.

You need to talk to dlfrsilver and cngsoft.

Both of these guys have been converting tapes using other methods (including using taper).

If you want me to give you their contact details, send me a pm.
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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #5 on: 20:16, 05 March 10 »
Indeed dlfrsilver is probably the one to get hold of.

I recall that a lot of the later protections, need to be done with Taper. Still Taper cant do normal amstrad blocks, so you need to cut the Wav/voc and convert the blocks like normal. Then convert the "protected" part using Taper. In the end use a tool like Tapir to merge the parts back together (also with Tapir you can insert the right size pauses between the block(s) and the protected part).

Another neat trick is to convert the wav to csw and then back to voc (this usually cleans the tape up so its easier to convert.

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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #6 on: 22:18, 07 March 10 »
Hi at alls, i am a big fan italian of AMSTRAD CPC scene, i have tried at dumping many my old tapes, but I found several problems with some games that use special protections.
The programs used by me are: SAMP2CDT, CPCTAPEXP, Audacity.
I saw several protections Speedlock but many are not supported by samp2cdt,.
The problems I had are with the following titles.

Let's face  it straight right there. I'm going to tell you about every protection scheme i have deal with CNGSOFT

SORCERY (flashloading version)

=> http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&onglet=dsk&num=1988

Gauntlet 2 (border green and cyan) dont 'work in the emulators, impossible.

=> Gauntlet 2 is using the USGOLD loader (samp2cdt /usgold gauntlet2.wav gauntlet2.cdt) for the main part,
and you must use the Speedlock Data Type 1 (samp2cdt /sldata gauntlet2.wav gauntlet2-dat.cdt for the levels.

Note that this game needs cleaning the noise (i have found the perfect settings to dump any tapes even the wierdiest).

http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&onglet=dsk&num=961

MOT

=> Use the opera soft K7 protection. Unsupported by all the softs.

Just one question, do you own the english version of this game ? If yes, please contact me on MSN dlfrsilver AT hotmail DOT fr.
CNGSOFT has converted his own tape of MOT (spanish release).

http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&onglet=dsk&num=1462

DOUBLE DRAGON DOUBLE DRAGON & 2

=> Double Dragon uses a speedlock v4 for the main part and a spectrum variant 3 loader for the levels

samp2cdt /slock4 ddragon.wav ddragon-code.cdt and samp2cdt /specvar3 ddragon.wav ddragon-dat.cdt  then glue both parts to get a complete CDT of the game with CPCtapeXP.

http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&onglet=dsk&num=1150

=> Double Dragon 2 uses a speedlock v6 for the main part and a spectrum loader for the levels

samp2cdt /slock4 ddragon2.wav  ddragon2-code.cdt and samp2cdt /spec then glue them with CPCtapeXP.

http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&onglet=dsk&num=404

CONTINENTAL CIRCUS

=> This one uses a speedlock v6 for main part and spectrum loader for data levels.

http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&onglet=dsk&num=607

PUFFYS SAGA

=> Use an unsupported copy protection, it's a variant of the UNILode (UNIiversal Loader Oxford Digital Enterprises, the company behind the trivial pursuit computer games). You won't be able to process it yourself.   

I have dumped the game, and it's available in splitted version on the best CPC website on the web, called CPC-power. Go check it and pick it up ;)

http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&onglet=dsk&num=1716

GET DEXTER 2

We lack this game, there is 98% of luck that this one uses a micro-key copy protection.

Please contact me on MSN in order for me to help you to dump it :D    dlfrsilver AT hotmail DOT fr

LEMMINGS

This game use a Speedlock v7 for the main part, and a speedlock Data type 3 for the levels data.

You must know one thing, the coders have not removed the demo code limitation, this game must be poked to be able to choose the
level you want to start at.

http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&onglet=dsk&num=1293

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Please advice?
I see which many games converted in to .CDT, with protections not supportet by SAMP2CDT.  >:(

Easy, all the games like trivial pursuit, opera soft, puffy's saga, red arrows, dick tracy, Franck Bruno's boxing retail version, Knight Force,
After the war, astro marine corps, jabato, Captain trueno, and a few others can't be done with the actual tools.

To dump the tapes, use Goldwave. This one is way more accurate when doing CPC tape dumps.

You can believe me, as i have dumped more than 500 games on my own head to this day (speedlocks, alkatraz, cassys, bleepload, etc).

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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #7 on: 15:38, 08 March 10 »
 :o  :D Thank you at alls for the answers,  :D in this week i try to convert the games.
P.S. I have made AMC, and AFTER THE WAR without problems.
In this week put the games list with problems.
I can do another list with my tapes in .cdt have some of italians games and programs, more lessons of basic all in ITA.  ;)
Very soon we speak on MSN, thank you DLFsilver  and tank you at alls. ;D
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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #8 on: 15:44, 08 March 10 »
 ??? ops excuse me, the GAUNTLET 2 my version have the same protection of (MICHEY MOUSE, BASIL, MASK) i see wich in the emulators don't works.
After wich load the first block, the game crash.
P.S. the first gauntlet work me only with JAVACPC, in the others emu, i see a black screen ort reset the cpc.
Wrong i ?
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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #9 on: 19:56, 08 March 10 »
??? ops excuse me, the GAUNTLET 2 my version have the same protection of (MICHEY MOUSE, BASIL, MASK) i see wich in the emulators don't works. After wich load the first block, the game crash.

nope, absolutely not. Gauntlet 2 loader has a form of protection right at the beginning. You can't use RUN", instead you must do CTRL+ENTER.
Also, Basil private detective, mask, impossamole, samurai trilogy use the gremlin loader 2 (you won't be able to process it, search them on cpc-power). This one needs you to use CPCE with TAPE POLARITY on. It's a very special scheme...... And Gauntlet 2 loader has nothing in common with the gremlin loader 2 that use black and green stripes and counters all the way.

Use CPCE for all your tape games.

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P.S. the first gauntlet work for me only with JAVACPC, in the others emu, i see a black screen ort reset the cpc.
Wrong i ?

Use CPCE ^^

The best thing you have to do is to come on MSN, i will give you all the tricks i can't give here.

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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #10 on: 19:59, 08 March 10 »
:o  :D Thank you at alls for the answers,  :D in this week i try to convert the games.
P.S. I have made AMC, and AFTER THE WAR without problems.
In this week put the games list with problems.
I can do another list with my tapes in .cdt have some of italians games and programs, more lessons of basic all in ITA.  ;)
Very soon we speak on MSN, thank you DLFsilver  and tank you at alls. ;D

Amc and After the war ? lool Those are using the Dinamic Poliload Scheme, and i can tell you that you won't be able or hardly able to pass them in CDT, because this scheme is badly supported.

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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #11 on: 13:16, 28 March 10 »
 :( Bye at alls, excuse me if i respond only now, have converted many others games amstrad cassettes, thank you also at the your help.
Now my problems are with this games:

ALIENSTORM (hexsagon protection) i write (samp2cdt/usgold  namegame.wav but don't load, i have tried other but nothing.
The .wav file on JAVACPC work perfectly.

SORCERY (flashload version) is my nightmare   ??? i don't know how i do. :'(

GET DEXTER 2 work only the .wav file on JAVACPC, i have tried to convert into .cdt but don't work.

FAIRLIGHT2  strange problem, i have converted it i have write (samp2cdt/spec namegame.wav) but don't work on cpce and caprice, work only on JAVACPC.  ???

PUZNIC very strange, when put on CPCTAPEXP at the problem wich At some   point in the side A and B of my (ORIGINAL CASSETTE) the wave loading is not more 'program implemented by   the Green.  ??? ???

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GOOD NEWS
I have converted, GAME OVER, ARMY MOVES, SATAN, A.M.C. , AFTER THE WAR, without problems,
I have also GAUNTLET 2 the first version perfectly work  :D
I have see on CPCRULEZ some of my .CDT  >:( i have send a lot of my games.cdt on this forum and another but not on cpcrulez  >:(   (ROLAND IN SPACE, TOMBSTOWNE, SATELLITE WARRIOR) are my versions.
I have converted more of 400 .cdt files and now put my nickname.
I want made a small blog ita for amstrad cpc and put all my cdt  ;D for alls.

Last news:  G-LOC , OUT-RUN EUROPA, SHADOW DANCER, STRIDER 2, are OK  ;D , but ALIENSTORM nothing  :'( .


« Last Edit: 16:02, 28 March 10 by DARKGATE »
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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #12 on: 13:22, 28 March 10 »
For DLFSILVER  :D i have the game MOT, but spanish version,  :'( is impossible for me convert it.
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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #13 on: 17:25, 30 March 10 »
:( Bye at alls, excuse me if i respond only now, have converted many others games amstrad cassettes, thank you also at the your help.
Now my problems are with this games:

ALIENSTORM (hexsagon protection) i write (samp2cdt/usgold  namegame.wav but don't load, i have tried other but nothing.
The .wav file on JAVACPC work perfectly.

For usgold games, use /appleby with samp2cdt. PS : the game is already on CPC-power, i have converted it and checked it 100%.

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SORCERY (flashload version) is my nightmare   ??? i don't know how i do. :'(

I own this one, i must check it......

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GET DEXTER 2 work only the .wav file on JAVACPC, i have tried to convert into .cdt but don't work.

Please upload the WAV file somewhere, i will check it :)

[quoteFAIRLIGHT2  strange problem, i have converted it i have write (samp2cdt/spec namegame.wav) but don't work on cpce and caprice, work only on JAVACPC.  ???

Please upload the WAV file somwhere, i will check it :)

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PUZNIC very strange, when put on CPCTAPEXP at the problem wich At some   point in the side A and B of my (ORIGINAL CASSETTE) the wave loading is not more 'program implemented by   the Green.  ??? ???

NEVER use CPCtapeXP for commercial protected games ! Puzznic use a speedlock 6. I have converted it, you will find it on CPC-power
 
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GOOD NEWS
I have converted, GAME OVER, ARMY MOVES, SATAN, A.M.C. , AFTER THE WAR, without problems,
 
game over and army moves, satan, ok, those are quite easy, they use a spectrum variant 3 scheme. However,
AMC and after the war are very hard to do, but hey i'm sure you did the compilation versions, no ?
 
Please post your CDT please :)

I have also GAUNTLET 2 the first version perfectly work  :D
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I have see on CPCRULEZ some of my .CDT  >:( i have send a lot of my games.cdt on this forum and another but not on cpcrulez  >:(   (ROLAND IN SPACE, TOMBSTOWNE, SATELLITE WARRIOR) are my versions.

Just a thing, you're not the only guy to own these games, and you're not the only one to be able to convert WAVS to CDT.

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I have converted more of 400 .cdt files and now put my nickname.

I did more than 500 alone, and passed 98% of the speedlocked games to CDT.
 
I want made a small blog ita for amstrad cpc and put all my cdt  ;D for alls.

Last news:  G-LOC , OUT-RUN EUROPA, SHADOW DANCER, STRIDER 2, are OK  ;D , but ALIENSTORM nothing  :'( .

PS : G-loc, out-run europa, shadow dancer and strider 2 needs the /alkatraz decoder, if you use /usgold, the games won't load on a real
CPC 464.

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Re: Problems for dump games to .CDT
« Reply #14 on: 17:26, 30 March 10 »
For DLFSILVER  :D i have the game MOT, but spanish version,  :'( is impossible for me convert it.

This game in Spanish is available in CDT on our website CPC-power :)