How to improve the game competition...

[rexbeng]

@Gryzor: well, if we ("we" as in the people involved with the compo in whichever way) are(/want) to make this compo expand to a bigger retro-scene audience, it'a most likely that this audience hasn't been introduced to the CPC's technical capabilities, what's more they probably won't understand the further constrains of the 16K limitation.

So, if the previous compo was met with a bit of moaning concerning how voters did or didn't appriciate any type of aspect, imagine what would happen if you got the majority of voters being far less familiar with the platform compared to the 50 guys that did us the honor this time.

At the same time though, that audience wouldn't be familiar to the 'CPC scene', so this would even minimise the namevoting some people are arguing about. That said, I couldn't agree more with ralferoo.

So, have that special 'committee' of experts to dacide on awards for various aspects if you want, but my suggestion is to keep this seperate from the 'best game compo'.

Besides, I have the impression that if one 'has decided' towards the game that has 'the best graphics' and 'the best sound' it's highly probable that one will vote for this in the 'best game' category or vice versa.

And, finally, developers will be more focused on making a better game.

regards,
rb

[ralferoo]

Did Kangaroo or Pentagon pay you $$$ for posting that? Or are you really that far off reality, that you got not idea what's going on out there? Seriously, are you kidding me?

You know what, if you really want to believe that 90% of the voters hate you and voted against you even though your game was the best, then nobody can stop you thinking that. But at the very least, you should take some time to consider how little respect that attitude shows for the other entrants. In effect, you're saying over and over again that your game was the best and that they only won because the competition was fixed. If you cannot see how downright rude and ungracious that attitude is then that's a real shame because frankly your moaning about the results is the ONLY negative thing about this entire competition.

For the record, I don't know either of those people and I even voted for your game in one of the categories. In fact, as it happens every game got a vote from me because they are all good in different ways. They were all great games, but for sure Relentless deserved to win. That doesn't put down your game in any way, it just recognises that the standard of competition was very high and that more people enjoyed that particular game.

[TFM]

No, not 90%, only all PNG. You obviously don't know about the German scene. And you didn't watch the voting over time.
But what you don't get is THAT I DON'T TALK ABOUT ME in the first place. I try to make the voting system better for EVERYBODY. If you take everything personal I can't help. And you know what, I don't give much about the opinion of others - except it's constructive. 

EDIT: Why don't you participate in a game competition instead of throwing dirt at people who did participate and deliver a product?

[rexbeng]

What the hell is "PNG"?


rb

[TFM]

PNG? The reason for me freaking out here way too often... 

Personae non gratae | Wir sind die meisten.Personae non gratae | Wir sind die

[rexbeng]

So, out of those 50 or so people that took time to participate in our happy 16K fairground attraction, how many do you reckon would these 'PNG' people be? 5? 10? 38?


rb

[EgoTrip]

So, out of those 50 or so people that took time to participate in our happy 16K fairground attraction, how many do you reckon would these 'PNG' people be? 5? 10? 38?


rb

5 according to the link. It's really quite pathetic, someone needs to grow the hell up. Even if those 5 had voted for TFM, and who knows, maybe they did, he still would not have won the competition.

[arnoldemu]

Simple, award TFM an honorary 1st place.. this solves it all.

Then the voting is for 2nd/3rd/4th as normal.

[arnoldemu]

5 according to the link. It's really quite pathetic, someone needs to grow the hell up. Even if those 5 had voted for TFM, and who knows, maybe they did, he still would not have won the competition.

No, I think you'll find they would have voted against him regardless of how good the game was.

That's why he's so upset about it all.

[EgoTrip]

No, I think you'll find they would have voted against him regardless of how good the game was.

That's why he's so upset about it all.

I can understand him being upset about that, but its still a moot point (and a situation he has brought on himself). The fact is he's complaining about PNG rigging the vote yet even if PNG did vote for him he'd still never have won.


The entire saga is really quite tedious and everyone is laughing at him now. This thread is about improving the competition. How about not letting people enter who are going to cry about it when they don't win? Its childish and negative and really does no good for a tiny scene. How many people have been put off by him? I can bet that is more than zero. Its not just here either, he has a persecution complex but does himself no favours by doing the same stuff to other people.


The results IMO are fair.

[redbox]

@TFM - I think you need to realise there really is no 'conspiracy'. You do seem desperate to try and use this thread (and others) to moan about your perceived unjust treatment of your game... just get over it - your game was good, people enjoyed it - who cares about 'winning' etc, it's the taking part that counts and trying to prove some kind of CPC 'eliteness' by the comments you make is just tiring.

The CPC scene is small and people will naturally disagree, but all this politik bullsh*t just puts people off and also makes me much less reluctant to want to be involved.

I love the CPC and want to program for it, but my heart sinks a bit lower every time I open a thread and see this crap.

Get back to topic - I think the main thing is getting the games to a wider audience!

[beaker]

The entire saga is really quite tedious and everyone is laughing at him now.

Are you kidding, this is more entertaining than Christmas time when the family is over and the fights break out 

your game was good, people enjoyed it

I agree, it is a good game and every game in the competition was good. Cyber Huhn was the first game I loaded because it was the one I was most interested in from the screenshots. It looked good, the space ducks appealed to my sense of humour and it moved well. The only negative for me was I couldn't get passed 2500 points (or something like that points) that I achieved on my second go.

My favourite game turned out to be Subtera Puzlo (probably my favourite game this year and to put it in context I've beaten KOTOR, Conkers Bad Fur Day, MGS3, Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, Fallout NV, Bioshock 2 and Gears of War 2 since the start of the year :S) but the polling options meant I voted for Relentless (which is also amazing) in most other categories so I'd definitely be up for some sort of weighted rating system so games like Cyber Huhn that deserved to do better get more recognition.

[TFM]

@rexbeng, egotrip, arnoldemu and others: You just don't get it! Or do you just not want to get it.


The topic of this thread is how to improve the competition. And I suggest some of my ideas. Instead of bashing on me you should grow up. All of you! Get finally mature!




And btw. I'm very fine with the voting.




So can we come back to a serious discussion?

[Gryzor]

I think anonymous entries would unnecessarily complicate things. This would also preclude ANY pre-voting discussion from happening. What's more, I'm sure that in a blind test 9 out of 10 subjects would identify CH as your own title, so there's that too.


Let's drop it, not worth it.


@Rexbeng: But I'm against an 'expert committee'!

[TFM]

I think anonymous entries would unnecessarily complicate things. This would also preclude ANY pre-voting discussion from happening. What's more, I'm sure that in a blind test 9 out of 10 subjects would identify CH as your own title, so there's that too.

I never talked about CH. Others did.
But I'm lucky that 9 out of 10 would recognize my excellent handwriting. 

[arnoldemu]

No I get it I think.

You are saying that the voting should be changed so that it is fair and that it is done purely on the merits of the game itself and not on the identity of the developers. In this way there is no "I'm voting against that person" or "I'm voting for that person".

[AMSDOS]

Would the competition benefit if people were only allowed to submit games with only their real names on it, that way people won't identify straight away with the alias?  And "No" I don't think the infamous "John Smith" should be allowed to dominate the competition. 

[ralferoo]

Probably more the opposite. There was the option for any entry to be anonymous during development. The game could easily have been released under a pseudonym (well, except that TFM was hyping up his game before and after the voting).

This whole anonymous thing just seems like the latest development of the "everybody conspired against me because they don't like me" argument which seems a particularly baseless claim in the first place. Seemingly the only evidence TFM has for any of this is that he believes his game should have done better because he thinks it's the greatest technical marvel since the CPC itself was invented and so the fact that people voted for Relentless clearly shows the competition was fixed.

[AMSDOS]

Probably more the opposite. There was the option for any entry to be anonymous during development. The game could easily have been released under a pseudonym (well, except that TFM was hyping up his game before and after the voting).

This whole anonymous thing just seems like the latest development of the "everybody conspired against me because they don't like me" argument which seems a particularly baseless claim in the first place. Seemingly the only evidence TFM has for any of this is that he believes his game should have done better because he thinks it's the greatest technical marvel since the CPC itself was invented and so the fact that people voted for Relentless clearly shows the competition was fixed.

Anonymous pseudonyms would make it interesting cause then you could keep changing them with every game.

I thought it was interesting to see something like Cyber Huhn on the CPC, I probably would of made it evil with lasers, with some sort of Dalek x-ray death effect when you hit something.  But the game reminds me of a game I used to play on the PC where you just came out with your pie throwing machine and pie Bill Gates, it all happened after Bill Gates got pied.

[MaV]

Cyber Hunn

Brilliant typo!

[TFM]

This whole anonymous thing just seems like the latest development of the "everybody conspired against me because they don't like me" argument which seems a particularly baseless claim in the first place. Seemingly the only evidence TFM has for any of this is that he believes his game should have done better because he thinks it's the greatest technical marvel since the CPC itself was invented and so the fact that people voted for Relentless clearly shows the competition was fixed.

You are a dirty liar! If you don't stop that I will!

[ralferoo]

You are a dirty liar! If you don't stop that I will!

I'd appreciate it if you dropped the name calling and the threats. I was expressing an opinion I hold. By definition that cannot be a lie because it is an opinion. And that opinion seems pretty well substantiated as there's exactly one person, you, who's demanding anonymous voting. There doesn't seem to be any evidence for your claims of vote rigging either. You're unable to substantiate any of the claims you make and you insult every one who dares to suggest that you might be mistaken.

Have you ever wondered why this PNG group seem to hate you so much? I've certainly never heard of anyone else with their own little hate group and yet having witnessed you insulting me and others on numerous occasions, I'm not at all surprised you've driven people to form such a group. FutureOS and the fact that you even wrote this game to start with shows that you have a massive potential to really benefit the CPC scene, yet your rudeness to anyone who disagrees with you about the slightest thing does more damage to our small community than you'll probably ever realise.

[TFM]

I would appreciate if you would stop throwing dirt at me and lying about things.

[ralferoo]

I would appreciate if you would stop throwing dirt at me and lying about things.

See this is what I don't understand about you. You've just been super helpful in that other thread and provided a PDF documentation for your game. And then you come up with this.

I have never once "thrown dirt at you" nor lied about things. Please stop being deliberately insulting to anyone who disagrees with you.

[TFM]

Some people say something, and others understand something. And there will always be a difference, especially when things are written and not talked in person.


I stated this a couple of times and I will try it a last time. I had good intentions, to make the game compo better. So I provided ideas.

If this ideas are not welcome, you can tell this. Fine. But I felt under cross-fire here and I guess also others can understand that.

To abuse my ideas to blackmark me as someone who has a problem with the voting it under the belt line.


Maybe I have a problem in perception - and maybe others have a problem in being not offensive.


Soooooo - as asked also a couple of times - can we get back to topic here?

Let us hear your ideas for a better game compo, I guess you can bring up some good points.