Post by: Joseman on 15:28, 17 September 16
Batman Group (creators of Batman Forever Demo) returns this time with a game that (again) will break 8bit/CPC schemes/scenes!.
Sorry, the page is in spanish, i Just found it about 5 mins. No time to traslate!
Batman Group vuelve dispuesto a demostrar el verdadero potencial del Amstrad (http://retroinvaders.com/es/77067/batman-group-vuelve-dispuesto-a-demostrar-el-verdadero-potencial-del-amstrad-cpc)
Post by: SRS on 20:09, 17 September 16
Post by: seanb on 20:28, 17 September 16
Oh I hope that's true and we start to see software that backs up this claim.
Post by: dlfrsilver on 00:18, 18 September 16
"Batman Group continues to insist on demonstrating that the machine was totally wasted during the commercial life of it. And we warn. "Although it will be the game technically advancing CPC to date, is still far from reaching the true potential of Amstrad According to our estimates, Pinball Dreams will use around 40% of the potential, Batman Forever will be around 60 % while the classic commercial software rarely exceeded 10%. "
Oh I hope that's true and we start to see software that backs up this claim.
Just for the record, a preview exist for C64, but they never finished it lol.
If the batman group gets a winner, mmhh yummy :) arh arh arh !
Post by: AMSDOS on 01:18, 18 September 16
"Batman Group continues to insist on demonstrating that the machine was totally wasted during the commercial life of it. And we warn. "Although it will be the game technically advancing CPC to date, is still far from reaching the true potential of Amstrad According to our estimates, Pinball Dreams will use around 40% of the potential, Batman Forever will be around 60 % while the classic commercial software rarely exceeded 10%. "
So does that mean a 64k 464 could potentially load a 42k program from Tape in 2 Secs?
Post by: EgoTrip on 01:19, 18 September 16
Post by: dlfrsilver on 01:45, 18 September 16
So does that mean a 64k 464 could potentially load a 42k program from Tape in 2 Secs?
I got proved that a 464 can load tapes recorded at 6500 bauds.
i tested that on my 464, Turrican 2 intro part played in 1mn05, and each level took 20 seconds to load :)
Post by: Gryzor on 09:39, 18 September 16
Post by: roudoudou on 12:15, 18 September 16
So does that mean a 64k 464 could potentially load a 42k program from Tape in 2 Secs?
Batman Group likes to distort reality ;D
But if they release a pinball with their flipping mode to gainz some colors, in vertical fullscreen, maybe with a scrolling, it would be very, very nice!
I cant' wait to see the result!
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 12:25, 18 September 16
Time will tell. But we're used to big promises, a few screen shots, and then nothing happening sadly.
Post by: arnoldemu on 12:27, 18 September 16
Converting a few loading screens is one thing, to convert the full game is quite another. Why not shots of the actual game?For some people yes. When has Rhino talked about something and never delivered?
Time will tell. But we're used to big promises, a few screen shots, and then nothing happening sadly.
EDIT: Removed "promised" and put "talked about".
Post by: Ast on 12:30, 18 September 16
Why not shots of the actual game?
Just maybe to keep the full surprise? Don't Know, but does it look clear ?
Post by: reidrac on 12:31, 18 September 16
Is this being entered into the CPCretrodev contest?
If the can make it following the restrictions of the contest (64K, one single load), that would be extra-impressive :D
Post by: Singaja on 13:10, 18 September 16
If the can make it following the restrictions of the contest (64K, one single load), that would be extra-impressive :DConsidering Rhino did patch the original firmware on the fly in Batman Demo to access more space on the disk my educated guess is it's not likely.
Post by: arnoldemu on 13:22, 18 September 16
Considering Rhino did patch the original firmware on the fly in Batman Demo to access more space on the disk my educated guess is it's not likely.No. There was no patching of firmware.
The disc used a custom disc format with more sectors.
Post by: Rhino on 14:08, 18 September 16
Just for the record, a preview exist for C64, but they never finished it lol.
Somewhere I read that the Pinball Dreams project for C64 was because of a bet.
Well, after more than 10 years, I think that who believed he could do it on C64 should pay the bet.
Considering Rhino did patch the original firmware on the fly in Batman Demo to access more space on the disk my educated guess is it's not likely.
I did nothing with the disc in BF nor Pinball Dreams, it was Arnoldemu.
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 14:13, 18 September 16
Converting a few loading screens is one thing, to convert the full game is quite another. Why not shots of the actual game?
Time will tell. But we're used to big promises, a few screen shots, and then nothing happening sadly.
As it was said in before, we are talking about Rhino here :) I am really confident that he has something truly amazing to show us and it is not going to be vaporware!
Post by: dlfrsilver on 14:24, 18 September 16
Somewhere I read that the Pinball Dreams project for C64 was because of a bet.
Well, after more than 10 years, I think that who believed he could do it on C64 should pay the bet.
I did nothing with the disc in BF nor Pinball Dreams, it was Arnoldemu.
I have one question : we've all seen the screens converted from the amiga in Perfect pix, but which mode will you use for the ingame ?
Will it be mode 0 or mode 1 with extended palette ?
Post by: dlfrsilver on 16:20, 18 September 16
I have one question : we've all seen the screens converted from the amiga in Perfect pix, but which mode will you use for the ingame ?
Will it be mode 0 or mode 1 with extended palette ?
I also want to propose if needed to post the Pinball Dreams graphic assets from the Amiga version :)
Post by: Gryzor on 20:15, 18 September 16
Post by: Kris on 20:19, 18 September 16
For some reason I doubt Rhino will share any details before the release; he likes to surprise :D
And he is right ;)
Post by: Rhino on 00:46, 19 September 16
I have one question : we've all seen the screens converted from the amiga in Perfect pix, but which mode will you use for the ingame ?
Will it be mode 0 or mode 1 with extended palette ?
Many graphic techniques are involved, some of them have not been implemented in games before. But what I'm proud of, though it is a personal feeling, it is that after playing around with Pinball Dreams on CPC, the Amiga version seems less real.
Nothing else I can say.
Post by: VincentGR on 01:22, 19 September 16
Can't wait to play it on my cpc :-X
Post by: CraigsBar on 01:24, 19 September 16
Post by: HAL 6128 on 09:11, 19 September 16
Many graphic techniques are involved, some of them have not been implemented in games before. But what I'm proud of, though it is a personal feeling, it is that after playing around with Pinball Dreams on CPC, the Amiga version seems less real.Nice. You make it very easy to wait. :-\
Nothing else I can say.
(I loved playing Pinball Dreams on PC!)
Post by: ervin on 09:40, 19 September 16
*Loved* PB back in the day on the Amiga, so seeing it on the CPC will be something truly special.
Post by: TotO on 19:24, 19 September 16
Post by: Joseman on 01:20, 20 September 16
Perhaps only a coincidence? ;)
Post by: dlfrsilver on 01:33, 20 September 16
I just remembered that @SuTeKH/Epyteor (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=466) converted some Pinball Dreams tunes early this year...
Perhaps only a coincidence? ;)
:laugh: :P
Post by: Puresox on 07:30, 20 September 16
Post by: TFM on 17:44, 20 September 16
Post by: zeropolis79 on 19:49, 23 September 16
Post by: kawickboy on 09:49, 28 September 16
Post by: Sykobee (Briggsy) on 14:14, 28 September 16
But it's not just the graphical work (I guess a board would be >80KB of graphics data on the CPC - a couple of screenfuls for the board (overscan?) plus the lit/unlit graphics), but things like how the pinball moves on the furniture (ramps, tracks, etc)... a big project indeed!
Post by: arnoldemu on 15:47, 28 September 16
I look forward to sticking this on my C4CPC :-) If it will fit in a 512KB cart space and run on a 64KB GX4000...it has a custom disc loader so you can't put it onto c4cpc.
But it's not just the graphical work (I guess a board would be >80KB of graphics data on the CPC - a couple of screenfuls for the board (overscan?) plus the lit/unlit graphics), but things like how the pinball moves on the furniture (ramps, tracks, etc)... a big project indeed!
Post by: roudoudou on 17:14, 28 September 16
it has a custom disc loaderso you can't put it onto c4cpc.
Like many games back in the days :P
Post by: zeropolis79 on 20:37, 28 September 16
From the spectrum release ?
Could the Amiga version be ported? In theory? But I was thinking of the Speccy - with CPC graphics of course
Post by: ivarf on 18:40, 30 September 16
Post by: TFM on 20:47, 30 September 16
Post by: ivarf on 08:57, 01 October 16
Since quite a while I also think about a Pinball Simulator for the CPC, MacDeath already sent me some nice picks. I'm curious who this one looks compared to my ideas.
Would be great to see that too😊
Post by: Rhino on 16:17, 01 October 16
Since quite a while I also think about a Pinball Simulator for the CPC, MacDeath already sent me some nice picks. I'm curious who this one looks compared to my ideas.
It is a working in progress? or you can show something?
Post by: ukmarkh on 16:57, 01 October 16
Post by: roudoudou on 17:42, 01 October 16
I believe Time Scanner is the best pinball game so far on the CPC... But everything is about to change!
Ooooh, i miss this one! My favorite was Microball
Post by: TFM on 23:17, 01 October 16
It is a working in progress? or you can show something?Not now. IMHO your project is way advanced in time. :)
My idea is basically to use the first 64 KB fully as screen RAM. And display it for example as 16*32 (MODE 0). So the screen is four times more high than width.
This way you put GFX only once in the first 64 KB, the background. It stays there as long as you use this particular pin ball machine.
The big advantage is that you actually only have to scroll um and down, but don't need to write background GFX anylonger. All CPU time would be left to animations (Sound, math, etc.)
It doensn't have to be in that format you can make the screen more width too if you like.
But how so often, I kind of miss the time at the moment to realize it that way.
I'm really looking forward to Pinball Dreams from Rhino!!! :) :) :)
Post by: Rhino on 19:09, 02 October 16
Not now. IMHO your project is way advanced in time. :)
My idea is basically to use the first 64 KB fully as screen RAM. And display it for example as 16*32 (MODE 0). So the screen is four times more high than width.
This way you put GFX only once in the first 64 KB, the background. It stays there as long as you use this particular pin ball machine.
The big advantage is that you actually only have to scroll um and down, but don't need to write background GFX anylonger. All CPU time would be left to animations (Sound, math, etc.)
It doensn't have to be in that format you can make the screen more width too if you like.
But how so often, I kind of miss the time at the moment to realize it that way.
I'm really looking forward to Pinball Dreams from Rhino!!! :) :) :)
Sounds good! Usually boards are not more than 2 times high that width, or do you mean to have a double buffer for the board? and what you had thought for the scoreboard on the top of the screen?
Post by: TFM on 20:10, 02 October 16
The great thing about a silver ball is that its speed can be everything from fast too slow, and Y-scrolling on the CPC is precise to the scan line. What a nice choreography. ;) :)
Post by: Rhino on 22:46, 02 October 16
Well, you can design it of course in a way which fits taste and reality :) The idea is to omit horizontal scrolling and by this being able to load the background only once and "just" scroll up and down (which can be done pixel pricise and is very smooth, so being able to keep the ball in the center of the screen or where ever you like). Of course you can use a screen format as width as the CPC screen.
The great thing about a silver ball is that its speed can be everything from fast too slow, and Y-scrolling on the CPC is precise to the scan line. What a nice choreography. ;) :)
You're right. Horizontal scroll destroys a pinball game, such as the SNES port of Pinball Dreams.
Post by: Puresox on 18:46, 03 October 16
Post by: ivarf on 08:32, 05 October 16
Is there a time scale , that us CPC fans can look forward too?
October 2016!!!?
Post by: Rhino on 11:52, 05 October 16
Is there a time scale , that us CPC fans can look forward too?
This month we will show a preview in RetroSevilla, and a little later we will release the preview.
The date for the final version not yet know, but possibly match an event / party.
Post by: HAL 6128 on 14:38, 05 October 16
Post by: dodogildo on 21:20, 06 October 16
Oh wow. I love Pinballs on the computer !!!!
[emoji106] And I love pinball everywhere [emoji16]
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Post by: mr_lou on 08:24, 07 October 16
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 20:18, 13 October 16
My favourite table still is Nightmare (the music is mesmerising), but Beat Box was the one I played the most as I could get most of the jackpots and a huge score on each game!
I am really looking forward to seeing the CPC version of this amazing, and very famous, Amiga title! No pressure! ^_^
Looks like October 2016 will be a great month for CPC game releases and new CPC graphic modes!
Would love it if someone converted Robocop 3 to the CPC...I've done the C64 title music (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/demos/wip-now-that's-what-i-call-chip-tunes-(winape)/msg133703/#msg133703)... it's a start!
Post by: Joseman on 10:09, 24 October 16
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2lucr3m.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/9a5qqc.jpg)
Post by: Dubliner on 11:11, 24 October 16
Smoothest scroll i have ever seen on a CPC.
Post by: alex76gr on 11:13, 24 October 16
Post by: TotO on 11:36, 24 October 16
Smoothest scroll i have ever seen on a CPC.
No magic, as Rhino said. The game was well chosen to look great on a CPC. (don't try to put cube into circle and all goes fine)
Pinball Dreams look really promissing! 8)
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 11:51, 24 October 16
Shame the menu & in-game music is so shyte! ^_^
Post by: reidrac on 12:07, 24 October 16
(don't try to put cube into circle and all goes fine)
Spot on!
Post by: Rhino on 14:56, 24 October 16
I would like to release the preview in a few days, and for that we are polishing some details. Is there a cat-art master who wants to participate?
It is a standard 25Hz double buffer vertical scrolling with rupture. Nicelly done.
TotO usually do right analysis, but I fear that this time is not the case: no 25hz, no double buffer, no standar rupture. :)
Regards!
Post by: TotO on 15:19, 24 October 16
TotO usually do right analysis, but I fear that this time is not the case: no 25hz, no double buffer, no standar rupture. :)Haha. I have expected that you are using fliped pictures to increase the ingame colours. Wrong speculation... :-\
Post by: villain on 15:21, 24 October 16
Shame the menu & in-game music is so shyte! ^_^
No New Orleans style? :o
Post by: kawickboy on 15:37, 24 October 16
Post by: TotO on 16:15, 24 October 16
There's a big french retro-gaming meeting this week-end, should we have something to show ?See you at the RGC. ;)
Post by: Rhino on 19:40, 24 October 16
There's a big french retro-gaming meeting this week-end, should we have something to show?
I hope so, we are working out the details to publish the preview in a few days.
Post by: dlfrsilver on 22:42, 24 October 16
I hope so, we are working out the details to publish the preview in a few days.
Oh oh oh oh XD
I guess some c64 fanboys are going to have their asses in fire lol
I would even kill to watch simply a short video of Pinball Dreams CPC :)
Post by: Nich on 23:53, 24 October 16
I would like to release the preview in a few days, and for that we are polishing some details. Is there a cat-art master who wants to participate?
Have you contacted Supersly? He's pretty experienced at designing CAT'arts (http://cpc.sylvestre.org/projets/projets_cat.html).
Post by: Rhino on 02:18, 25 October 16
Have you contacted Supersly? He's pretty experienced at designing CAT'arts (http://cpc.sylvestre.org/projets/projets_cat.html).
Thanks!, I just asked him :)
Post by: Rhino on 16:57, 27 October 16
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=68387 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=68387)
[youtube]https://youtu.be/HVv-oBN6AWA[/youtube]
* Note that the video does not show the 50 fps properly, so it should be tested on real CPC + monitor!
Regards!
Post by: Ast on 17:24, 27 October 16
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 17:27, 27 October 16
Many thanks to EgoTrip for finalising some of the instruments for me!
The full release will have much better music/sfx as McKlain will do it, rather than me! He's just a little busy right now!!!
(Congrats, fella!)
Post by: roudoudou on 17:31, 27 October 16
Is the ball management in final version?
Post by: Kris on 17:40, 27 October 16
Post by: Xifos on 17:42, 27 October 16
Now you can adapt pinball fantaisies !
;)
Post by: krusty_benediction on 17:46, 27 October 16
I have not understand why it is a preview ; what is missing ? Only the drawing of the 4 tables ?
Anyway good job for the scrolling synchronization with the ball, I have not lots of reflexes, and I do not lose the ball from the eyes
Post by: Rhino on 18:19, 27 October 16
It's very nice and of course the best pinball game ever released on CPC 8)
Is the ball management in final version?
The ball physics are included in this preview. Press F1 to start playing.
The keys are:
* Control / shift left for left flipper
* Enter / backward slash for right flipper
* Cursor down to launch the ball
* Space to push the board
If you use an emulator, you may need to configure the keys.
Post by: Rhino on 18:24, 27 October 16
I do not know the original pinball game no the other CPC ones, but it seems very good.
I have not understand why it is a preview ; what is missing ? Only the drawing of the 4 tables ?
Anyway good job for the scrolling synchronization with the ball, I have not lots of reflexes, and I do not lose the ball from the eyes
Thanks!
Only one of the four boards is included, and the preview does not count scores/lives, etc... in short, what makes the game fun :)
Post by: Rhino on 18:28, 27 October 16
Post by: Hwikaa on 18:42, 27 October 16
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 18:49, 27 October 16
I would also like to publicly thank to SuTeKH for their hard work on music. Without him the preview had not been on time!Thank you, sir! You're too kind! But, I did under 1% of the work. All praise should be for you, Mac, arnoldemu and McKlain!
NOTE:
I class myself as a "professional" PINBALL DREAMS player (since 1992 on a 500+, 600 & 1200/060) and this is simply an astonishing version of that Amiga OCS/ECS classic on the humble Amstrad CPC!! I always dreamed of seeing it on my 8-bit machine... and here it is! DREAMS DO COME TRUE! ^_^ What's next? CarVup? Paradroid'90? Bill's Tomato Game?
Many people say PINBALL ILLUSIONS or SLAM TILT (not written by The Silents, by the way) is the best pinball simulator on Amiga... but to me, PINBALL DREAMS is the one that started it all and the one that's the best! Long live NIGHTMARE, BEAT BOX, IGNITION and that other one that was shyte! (Sorry, I always hated STEEL WHEEL! ^_^ And, it's even worse when you're converting the music for it!!!! TRUST ME!)
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October 2016 will be held in high regard as the month that introduced the CPC community to some of the best CPC games and some new, amazing graphics MODEs! Be it adventures, mah-Jong, pinball, or whatever... it's a great time to be an Amstrad fan! ^_^ -yay-
From what I've seen from the RetroDev compo too, it looks like the CPC is indeed the best 8-bit machine!
Post by: Rhino on 18:54, 27 October 16
Ok that's good for the pinball dreams cpc version !
Now you can adapt pinball fantaisies !
;)
Well, considering that this preview is a "stress test" with all the lights and scoreboard changing, and only consumes about 50% of the frame, I think Amstrad could do Pinball Dreams + Pinball Fantasies simultaneously in one frame :)
Post by: Xifos on 19:06, 27 October 16
It's amazing, the same gameplay as the amiga.
So well done the batman group !
:)
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 19:11, 27 October 16
Post by: VincentGR on 19:56, 27 October 16
Post by: Neil79 on 19:59, 27 October 16
But here's a quicky http://www.indieretronews.com/2016/10/pinball-dreams-preview-fantastic-amiga.html
Post by: alex76gr on 20:11, 27 October 16
Absolutely impressive!
Thank you so much.
Post by: VincentGR on 20:27, 27 October 16
For my eyes and ears this is a wonder! :o
Absolutely impressive!
Thank you so much.
True my brother!
And the funny thing is that it needs only a Falcon to run on Atari ;D
Post by: Maniac on 21:35, 27 October 16
Amazing! Well done to all involved! Can't wait for the full game!
Post by: Geo Anas on 21:44, 27 October 16
My hearty and sincere RESPECT !
Post by: Targhan on 21:51, 27 October 16
Great work!
Post by: dirtybb on 21:54, 27 October 16
Hi
Let me think, as a macadam bumper lover, what could i say... Just stunning, impressive, awesome.
Graphics, colors, effects, scrolling... more than perfect. And music is... dope !
Thank you for all the hard work, to you Rhino and all those involved.
Post by: Rhino on 22:37, 27 October 16
I can't even begin to understand how you have achieved this awesomeness! It looks and sounds amazing plus plays just like the Amiga original even to the point I can do the same tricks with the flippers and the ball reacts just as it did!
Amazing! Well done to all involved! Can't wait for the full game!
Thanks!
Physics is still one of the points to be adjusted for the final version. The goal is to be as close to the original as possible.
I appreciate the feedback from experts of the original version!
Post by: Lone on 23:03, 27 October 16
Really awesome work !
Congratulation to the whole team (as every part of it is so well done)
Post by: dlfrsilver on 23:20, 27 October 16
Thanks!
Physics is still one of the points to be adjusted for the final version. The goal is to be as close to the original as possible.
I appreciate the feedback from experts of the original version!
Congratulations, you did again an awesome job. I have already people from C64 or even Amiga which want to buy a CPC just to play it :)
but..... i hear them say "the sound is not as good as on c64" behhh XD
Post by: Joseman on 23:43, 27 October 16
this is just a 16bit game inside a CPC, is just incredible.
I'll wait for the final version, with score and all the gameplay, but this will be fun... fuck the real live, i want to play this game several days in a row ;D
And I just hope for a fisical release... oh my god ???
Post by: Neil79 on 23:49, 27 October 16
Congratulations, you did again an awesome job. I have already people from C64 or even Amiga which want to buy a CPC just to play it :)
but..... i hear them say "the sound is not as good as on c64" behhh XD
That's nothing this has blown away the Commodore Amiga Facebook group :D
Post by: roudoudou on 00:00, 28 October 16
Physics is still one of the points to be adjusted for the final version. The goal is to be as close to the original as possible.
I appreciate the feedback from experts of the original version!
I guess the ball lose too much energy (friction too high?). It is particulary noticeable when the ball run the flipper lane.
I cannot make the ball go to the big ramp without using space to give extra energy, even when the ball was running the lane from the beginning (there must be conservation of momentum, added to the flipper move)
Hope this will help.
Post by: ukmarkh on 00:51, 28 October 16
[youtube]https://youtu.be/ls6pxVKttQ0[/youtube]
Post by: khisanth on 01:55, 28 October 16
Post by: ukmarkh on 02:02, 28 October 16
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 02:07, 28 October 16
Post by: HAL 6128 on 09:01, 28 October 16
Apparently, it's not pushing the CPC that hard... Doesn't use CPC's full potential.It doesn't matter in my point of view. A Game fullfills more achievements than technical ones. Entertainement, fun, playability, good sound, AI, story and ... and.. .
Look what have been done the last month stunning games, applications, hardware for the CPC. Seems we are getting pampered. :). But, it's also understandable. Regarding the last achievements I'm also wondering what people from 1984/85 would have thought if they had seen such things. Do you think Alan Sugar woulde had been surprised, not by the hardware, but games?
Post by: alex76gr on 11:15, 28 October 16
Quote
Apparently, it's not pushing the CPC that hard... Doesn't use CPC's full potential.:picard:
Post by: Gryzor on 11:26, 28 October 16
Post by: VincentGR on 11:50, 28 October 16
there is some great music while you play that changes according to what the ball is doing. Really awesome.
Yes, like the Amiga version.
Another thing that I saw is the "emulation" of the amiga's mod.
When you hit a bonus on the Amiga, the tracker restarts at the track number that it was left.
This is a very nice touch and sounds like the original.
Post by: khisanth on 11:56, 28 October 16
It doesn't matter in my point of view. A Game fullfills more achievements than technical ones. Entertainement, fun, playability, good sound, AI, story and ... and.. .
Look what have been done the last month stunning games, applications, hardware for the CPC. Seems we are getting pampered. :) . But, it's also understandable. Regarding the last achievements I'm also wondering what people from 1984/85 would have thought if they had seen such things. Do you think Alan Sugar woulde had been surprised, not by the hardware, but games?
Well this is a perfect example of what can be done if you don't have a strict time frame to complete it in and you don't have publishers or management pressuring you. Also when you have people who know the hardware and do it for the love of the machine, not some random person who claims they can do it and only does it for the cash.
Post by: VincentGR on 11:59, 28 October 16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tcsxUtMj5I&feature=em-uploademail
Post by: khisanth on 12:02, 28 October 16
Post by: Ast on 12:15, 28 October 16
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 12:16, 28 October 16
Post by: seanb on 12:27, 28 October 16
And a video from a real CPC captured by Aris of retrounboxers:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tcsxUtMj5I[/youtube]&feature=em-uploademail
The amiga version looks great but can you show us the Amstrads? :laugh:
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 12:55, 28 October 16
HEY! That IS on an Ams... ... wait a minute! I see what you did there! ^_^
The amiga version looks great but can you show us the Amstrads? :laugh:
Post by: Overflow on 12:58, 28 October 16
Very smart choice: everyone knows Pinball Dreams. Thanks to bring CPC under the lights again.
Smart choice (bis) to achieve 50hz responsiveness and use our strengths: colorful gfx, splitscreen and HW-scroll.
Well, I'm not a player, but I can say: Batman Group did it again. Bravo.
Hum. Feel free to boo me (I mean: I can live with it) --> I agree with ukmarkh.Apparently, it's not pushing the CPC that hard... Doesn't use CPC's full potential.:picard:
From what I see and my own technical experience: PB-preview doesn't use CPC's full potential.
From what I read? 40% on Rhino's scale, 50% of cpu-time available on a frame --> not full potential.
Come on! we've just had "Imperial Mahjong" which is (undoubtly) a double- technical achievement: just watch and hear.
Also just look back at past releases: Orion Prime (damm! Arkos again...), R-Type... Big games with much effort (time, love, dedication, etc...) and also technical achievements.
Post by: ukmarkh on 14:06, 28 October 16
Care to explain?
:picard:
Post by: arislab on 14:53, 28 October 16
Wow that looks so good on an actual machine. ;D ;D
Effectively, it's great on "real hadware" ;D
Believe me guys! it's more than words! ;D ;D
Thanks VincentGR!!! :D
...+ some pics on my actual machine
Post by: Rhino on 16:42, 28 October 16
I guess the ball lose too much energy (friction too high?). It is particulary noticeable when the ball run the flipper lane.
I cannot make the ball go to the big ramp without using space to give extra energy, even when the ball was running the lane from the beginning (there must be conservation of momentum, added to the flipper move)
Hope this will help.
Thanks for the feedback!
Friction, flippers force, etc.. are adjustable parameters, also I have to play a little more to the original to compare.
Yes, like the Amiga version.
Another thing that I saw is the "emulation" of the amiga's mod.
When you hit a bonus on the Amiga, the tracker restarts at the track number that it was left.
This is a very nice touch and sounds like the original.
Yes, It really is a very demanding game in sound, as it has many jingles and sfxs.
Brillant conversion so far! Time & effort to be so close to the original, just wow.
Very smart choice: everyone knows Pinball Dreams. Thanks to bring CPC under the lights again.
Smart choice (bis) to achieve 50hz responsiveness and use our strengths: colorful gfx, splitscreen and HW-scroll.
Well, I'm not a player, but I can say: Batman Group did it again. Bravo.
:picard:
Hum. Feel free to boo me (I mean: I can live with it) --> I agree with ukmarkh.
From what I see and my own technical experience: PB-preview doesn't use CPC's full potential.
From what I read? 40% on Rhino's scale, 50% of cpu-time available on a frame --> not full potential.
Come on! we've just had "Imperial Mahjong" which is (undoubtly) a double- technical achievement: just watch and hear.
Also just look back at past releases: Orion Prime (damm! Arkos again...), R-Type... Big games with much effort (time, love, dedication, etc...) and also technical achievements.
I think a demo always can better exploit all the capabilities, because you can do many different effects each taking advantage of some hardware peculiarity. But I find it interesting take demoscene common tricks in games. For example, the splitscreen + hardware scroll uses something like your RVI. I do not know if this have been used in games before.
Post by: Rhino on 16:46, 28 October 16
Congratulations, you did again an awesome job. I have already people from C64 or even Amiga which want to buy a CPC just to play it :)
but..... i hear them say "the sound is not as good as on c64" behhh XD
hehe, well, they always can say something... the important thing now is to finish it, so we can say that CPC has Pinball Dreams and they not :)
Post by: Lazy Dude on 17:17, 28 October 16
The time I fire up the demo on my cpc with its 10" cones .... yeh it'll be something to shout about!
Post by: alex76gr on 17:36, 28 October 16
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Care to explain?The facepalm refers to the style of your comment in relation to the effort that some people put to bring the community something like PD on CPC.
Post by: Targhan on 18:46, 28 October 16
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The facepalm refers to the style of your comment in relation to the effort that some people put to bring the community something like PD on CPC.
The way I understood it, the ukmarkh sentence was actually a joke reference to what Rhino said about Pinball Dreams "only" reaching 40% of the potential of the CPC. No one got it?
Post by: Overflow on 20:32, 28 October 16
(...) I find it interesting take demoscene common tricks in games. For example, the splitscreen + hardware scroll uses something like your RVI. I do not know if this have been used in games before.:D My RVI is Public Domain for years now!
Also remember: I have not been able to code a sample when you asked a few years ago.
For those who may not get it:
the 2nd splitscreen (the main one with pinball table) requires some uncommon hardware trick,
in order to allow 1-pixel precise vertical scrolling & start at required pixel-line within character-line.
To achieve this: likely a few tiny-splits on a single scanline in the left-border before displaying at monitor,
but also (Rhino can confirm?) likely some code adjustment depending on the CRTC type.
To put in a nutshell: some high-end hardware trick.
Many can understand the trick, very few could code it.
Post by: Xifos on 22:14, 28 October 16
Post by: Ast on 23:12, 28 October 16
For the other one, just have a look at #e1e, if i remember...
Post by: Puresox on 00:06, 29 October 16
Cheers
Post by: Higgy on 09:29, 29 October 16
Intro pics are very nice. [size=78%]Super smooth scrolling and very colourful.[/size]
Me and the wife were big Pinball Dreams/Fantasies fans back in the day, and her family had a 464 before an Amiga (sorry I had a Speccy!).
I did think it might be easier to recover the ball once it had passed the flippers compared to the Amiga version, but maybe that was more my wife's skill!
I will try and get a longer play over the weekend in between house jobs and looking after the baby! My Amiga is setup in the same room, so hopefully I can do a back to back test.
Thumbs up ;)
Post by: Rhino on 14:08, 29 October 16
My RVI is Public Domain for years now!
Also remember: I have not been able to code a sample when you asked a few years ago.
For those who may not get it:
the 2nd splitscreen (the main one with pinball table) requires some uncommon hardware trick,
in order to allow 1-pixel precise vertical scrolling & start at required pixel-line within character-line.
To achieve this: likely a few tiny-splits on a single scanline in the left-border before displaying at monitor,
but also (Rhino can confirm?) likely some code adjustment depending on the CRTC type.
To put in a nutshell: some high-end hardware trick.
Many can understand the trick, very few could code it.
Yes it is... this one is based on crtc reg0... all 7 lines are precalculed to give you the exact pixel Line to display... Rhino Would release soon an example source for those who wanted to know the trick...
For the other one, just have a look at #e1e, if i remember...
Here's the source code of the trick for WinAPE Assembler!
Great work guys. I fired this up on my 6128 last night for a quick play.
Intro pics are very nice. [size=78%]Super smooth scrolling and very colourful.[/size]
Me and the wife were big Pinball Dreams/Fantasies fans back in the day, and her family had a 464 before an Amiga (sorry I had a Speccy!).
I did think it might be easier to recover the ball once it had passed the flippers compared to the Amiga version, but maybe that was more my wife's skill!
I will try and get a longer play over the weekend in between house jobs and looking after the baby! My Amiga is setup in the same room, so hopefully I can do a back to back test.
Thumbs up ;)
Thanks for the feedback!
Post by: ivarf on 15:42, 29 October 16
Well can hardly say anything else , than it looks amazing. When I started watching the C64 version I was worried that the C64 version were going to top it , but it looks like the CPC has got another shining example of what sort of machine it can be . Really you guy's are producing stuff which makes a difference . Well in the weird and wonderful world of Retromania anyhow.
Cheers
One can see so little of the flipper table on the C64 unfinished version. It must make it harder to play
Post by: Puresox on 16:22, 29 October 16
One can see so little of the flipper table on the C64 unfinished version. It must make it harder to playYes the screen allocation and size is really not set up for a decent version of the game ,really surprised at how they considered that as a good system.
Post by: Lazy Dude on 00:13, 31 October 16
I was expecting some pong moments where the ball may get stuck in a repetitive pattern but that never happened.
Graphics etc all good with a converter and lcd panel.
Plenty of time to practice before the next version is released!
Post by: ukmarkh on 11:53, 31 October 16
I played this last night, I'm not sure what to think or say at this point, but the graphics, music and smoothness of play appear to have been nailed.
I might have imagined it, but when the ball reached the end of my right flipper, it was almost as if it passed through the tip and into the void, but who knows.
This is a great project, even my wife found it entertaining and she hates anything retro.
Post by: ASiC on 12:53, 31 October 16
Makes me wonder what the actuall f*ck devs were doing all these years and they didn't even get close to the stuff we see the last few years...
The scrolling and the amount of stuff going on the screen are hardly believable.
I was actually thrown off my chair by the sound! Never before heard something like that on the entire 8bit platform. And this includes the game consoles as well.
I couldn't believe my ears that z80 could push sound with so much complexity, tightly tied to the gameplay.
Combine this with the graphics, gameplay and that the fact that the cpc is only about 50% busy... No words!
You guys are awesome, thank you ;)
Post by: TotO on 11:42, 01 November 16
Here a video from the RGC event... You can see Pinball Dreams at 6:40.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/WXALayEy9IE?t=400[/youtube]
Post by: Skunkfish on 11:58, 01 November 16
And the Beatbox table was missing from both the Gameboy and Game Gear versions, so I suspect this is an 8-bit first!
Post by: beb on 13:00, 01 November 16
I was actually thrown off my chair by the sound! Never before heard something like that on the entire 8bit platform. And this includes the game consoles as well.
HA HA ! Maybe you never heard about Orion Prime or Imperial MahJong.
And you probably don't know what is a C64 with a fabulous SID... :)
Post by: ASiC on 14:11, 01 November 16
HA HA ! Maybe you never heard about Orion Prime or Imperial MahJong.
And you probably don't know what is a C64 with a fabulous SID... :)
Last time I checked, this wasn't a thread about Orion Prime, Imperial Mahjong or C64 stuff ;)
I'm reffering the accomplishment of the specific game to deliver dynamic audio content regarding of what's goining on the screen.
The (brilliant) games you are refering to, have amazing music, as all Targhan prods :D
Could you tell me please where the c64 fits in here?
If that's the case, I can add the following:
HA HA HA, you have no idea what a an amiga with a Paula, a 486 with Gravis Ultrasound or an i7 with an SB X-Fi is :)
Post by: TotO on 15:10, 01 November 16
I was actually thrown off my chair by the sound! Never before heard something like that on the entire 8bit platform. And this includes the game consoles as well.As said, the sound will be updated on the final version to be better...
Post by: beb on 15:54, 01 November 16
I was actually thrown off my chair by the sound! Never before heard something like that on the entire 8bit platform. And this includes the game consoles as well.
You talk about "entire 8bit platform" so...
That's why I laugh and talk about Targhan games. (what is the problem if these games are Arkos ones ??? Have you a problem with that ?)
Because they sound a way better...
Music adaptation from Blaizer are great. You can stay on your chair. :)
I think your comment lacking in objectivity.
If you want to see hi end C64 game with music you can watch "Mayhem in monsterland." another 8bit computer.
Talking about I7 / Soundblaster XFi and Amiga is nonsens... they are not 8bits at all.
cheers.
Post by: Rhino on 16:15, 01 November 16
Thanks for the feedback!
Of course, the preview may have bugs and I appreciate reports to fix them for the final version.
@TotO (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=290)
Thanks for the video.
It is also possible to learn from this preview to improve the final version (or Pinball Fantasies), so any ideas about improvements is welcome.
Post by: ASiC on 16:48, 01 November 16
You talk about "entire 8bit platform" so...
That's why I laugh and talk about Targhan games. (what is the problem if these games are Arkos ones ??? Have you a problem with that ?)
Because they sound a way better...
Music adaptation from Blaizer are great. You can stay on your chair. :)
I think your comment lacking in objectivity.
If you want to see hi end C64 game with music you can watch "Mayhem in monsterland." another 8bit computer.
Talking about I7 / Soundblaster XFi and Amiga is nonsens... they are not 8bits at all.
cheers.
I already seen mayhem in monsterland. So? Why should I like things you do?
When I said the entire 8bit platform, I was expressing my opinion.
You started talking shit like "HA HA ! Maybe you never heard about Orion Prime or Imperial MahJong.And you probably don't know what is a C64 with a fabulous SID... "
Yes, I was waiting for you to teach me about Arkos prods and the SID. Thank you sir, you have opened my eyes :picard2:
Your reply is lacking objectivity, is kinda trollish and rather insulting.
I have nothing at all with Arkos prods, the exact opposite.
In this case, the dynamic sound content is missing from Arkos. But that's absolutely fine, I don't have any issues with that.
You on the other hand, as a good ol' troll, started taking the piss and also threw the c64 in!
Genuine reaction of the c64 fanboy: Oh the sid, oh the sprites, oh the vic2 (in "which way did he go George" voice!)
So, yeah, feel free and go pay your respects to the sid gods.
BTW paula IS 8bit...
Post by: Skunkfish on 17:16, 01 November 16
It plays very well indeed, and I've put in a lot of hours (and pounds) into pinball tables (both digital and physical) over the years.
It's been a while since I've played Pinball Dreams on the Amiga but from memory this feels very close. Are the ball physics modelled on those of Pinball Dreams or are they trying to be more accurate? From memory they improved the physics slightly in Fantasies.
Regarding Fantasies, I believe the tables are a screen taller and with a little more going on. Perhaps you'll need to dig in to some of the remaining 60% of the CPC's capabilities for that one :P
Anyway, well done! It's a fantastic accomplishment so far!
Post by: kawickboy on 12:28, 02 November 16
Post by: TotO on 12:37, 02 November 16
Thanks for the video.I can understand that should be into the pipe, but here what I have seen:
It is also possible to learn from this preview to improve the final version (or Pinball Fantasies), so any ideas about improvements is welcome.
- The ball can be launched only at the maximum speed. (so, you can't target an area when you start)
- In the same way, the ball physic look to lost too much speed on ramps.
- It is hard to play without problem related to the table collisions. May be not enough permissive?
Post by: villain on 12:40, 02 November 16
Last week end were the french party retro Gaming Connexion 2016 in Meaux (near Paris). Pinball Dreams preview was a great success. Many people came to play on my CPC until the CTM screen crashes at night.
One shouldn't use a CTM to play Pinball Dreams? Is it save to use other recently released productions like Imperial Mahjong? Do I have to connect my GT65 for this games? ;D
Post by: TotO on 12:49, 02 November 16
Post by: VincentGR on 14:13, 02 November 16
After this release I will not be surprised if one day I'll see slam tilt, another world or something else on my CPC ;D
Post by: Rhino on 15:44, 02 November 16
@Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174)
It plays very well indeed, and I've put in a lot of hours (and pounds) into pinball tables (both digital and physical) over the years.
It's been a while since I've played Pinball Dreams on the Amiga but from memory this feels very close. Are the ball physics modelled on those of Pinball Dreams or are they trying to be more accurate? From memory they improved the physics slightly in Fantasies.
Regarding Fantasies, I believe the tables are a screen taller and with a little more going on. Perhaps you'll need to dig in to some of the remaining 60% of the CPC's capabilities for that one :P
Anyway, well done! It's a fantastic accomplishment so far!
The idea is that the gameplay will be similar to the original, there is a dependence on the shapes of the boards and physics to achieve it. But there are still many things to adjust, for example, the ball in CPC is proportionally bigger than in Amiga, which makes it more difficult to bring it through the ramps, tunnels, etc... This must be compensated in other ways, since the ratio between the ball and the rest of the board is more real in CPC than Amiga and I would not like to change it.
Post by: Rhino on 15:48, 02 November 16
Last week end were the french party retro Gaming Connexion 2016 in Meaux (near Paris). Pinball Dreams preview was a great success. Many people came to play on my CPC until the CTM screen crashes at night.
Thanks !, I hope the monitor damage was not caused by the game!
The game keeps a 50hz screen at all time, btw.
Post by: Rhino on 15:50, 02 November 16
I can understand that should be into the pipe, but here what I have seen:
- The ball can be launched only at the maximum speed. (so, you can't target an area when you start)
- In the same way, the ball physic look to lost too much speed on ramps.
- It is hard to play without problem related to the table collisions. May be not enough permissive?
Thanks for the feedback!
I think the last point is caused by what I mentioned in a message above.
Post by: TotO on 16:16, 02 November 16
This must be compensated in other ways, since the ratio between the ball and the rest of the board is more real in CPC than Amiga and I would not like to change it.May be the ball collision mask should be a bit smaller than its visual.
Post by: Kerrick Sword on 17:31, 02 November 16
The scroll is gorgeous
Go for it and finish it, but take the time you need
My only complain is with the score board , that is not very readable, the foreground and background colors are very similar, im using the winape emulator for reference.
And it would be cool if you could put the game link in the first post
Post by: Joseman on 22:55, 02 November 16
(http://i64.tinypic.com/14ac02t.jpg)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/294i4xk.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/rr00ih.jpg)
Post by: ukmarkh on 00:08, 03 November 16
Post by: MacDeath on 20:06, 03 November 16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IGYejTZyNA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtgnPRGAPIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAIPoPGfZ_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVv-oBN6AWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3eoGVLS5mA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUnwb-Ujzh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFEi0V4j7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tcsxUtMj5I
Warning : "oh 240p I meet you again... my eyes are now bleeding"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQHKDeUBRqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-4UZOZEUao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSdhgsTm4CU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hn_8_Vjz80
I don't think i have seen that many videos for an Amstrad Preview/demo game ever...
Post by: Puresox on 21:08, 03 November 16
Post by: Rhino on 21:46, 03 November 16
May be the ball collision mask should be a bit smaller than its visual.
Yes, I think it's can be fixed by adjusting the board collision mask.
Post by: Rhino on 21:48, 03 November 16
Great game, congratulations!!
The scroll is gorgeous
Go for it and finish it, but take the time you need
My only complain is with the score board , that is not very readable, the foreground and background colors are very similar, im using the winape emulator for reference.
And it would be cool if you could put the game link in the first post
Thanks for the feedback!
Post by: TomEtJerry on 22:59, 03 November 16
Last week end were the french party retro Gaming Connexion 2016 in Meaux (near Paris). Pinball Dreams preview was a great success. Many people came to play on my CPC until the CTM screen crashes at night.
Before the monitor died, some guys have made remarks playing the game :
me :-). Il have never been fan of flickering screens (even if it allows to see more colours), I think the intro screens would be better with standard display (maybe with rasters for mode 1 screens). Fortunatly, the main game doesn't use this technic and is just amazing !
Atlantis was uneasy with flashing colours in the lower part of the flipper board (some other guys were not). Looking at the Amiga version of the game, it seems there are less things that change colours periodically (B letter of the logo, bonuses).
Post by: beb on 00:19, 04 November 16
I have never been fan of flickering screens (even if it allows to see more colours), I think the intro screens would be better with standard display (maybe with rasters for mode 1 screens). Fortunatly, the main game doesn't use this technic and is just amazing !
Hooo !!! I'm shocked !! I felt from my chair :)
I'm a bit agree with you Hervé for the flickering stuff. But the game is really great.
@Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174): Have you worked on the subpixel ball since last time ? ;)
Post by: MacDeath on 02:27, 04 November 16
(it's a freaking flipper/pinball)
actually few real "masked sprites" (balls) but really too many tiles with cycling colours per lines to be done simply via ink cycling of a sacrified ink... (CPC doesn't have 32 inks per line)
this means quite more background tiles have to be "refreshed" than expected.
I guess some level design may get more CPU/process/RAM intense than others if really many things have to have cycling colours/lighting/lite effects.
Does it handles well the multiball ?
flickering/Flashouille screen :
thats a thing from amiga, I do remember shadow of the beast's intro page with epyleptic trauma induced flickers...
Well why not, it's just a gimmick for the intro pages that somewhat make believe CPC is almost a ST.
;)
should try 60hz flickers instead... some says it is do-able on CPC.
This gme is what magic pinball on GX4000 should have been.
CPC has a huge potential for great pinball games.
Devil's Crush anyone ?
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 03:37, 04 November 16
Post by: Rhino on 19:02, 04 November 16
Anyway, I do not rule out improving existing screens for the final version since it is possible to reduce the flickering by retouching manually.
I also noticed that different types of screens give different results and generally the flickering is more noticeable when you have the monitor brightness to the maximum, and is greatly reduced with moderate brightness.
Regards!
Post by: Rhino on 19:12, 04 November 16
http://csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=12&topicid=49146&showallposts=1
Post by: Puresox on 19:41, 04 November 16
The game is a great piece of work and I am glad it is being discussed with high regard . I hope the developers can make use of the positive critisism.
Post by: Puresox on 19:44, 04 November 16
Post by: VincentGR on 19:49, 04 November 16
By the way, It seens that the creators of the c64 version have announced the project resumes after so many years ... :)
http://csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=12&topicid=49146&showallposts=1 (http://csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=12&topicid=49146&showallposts=1)
Some people will lose their sleep there ;D ;D ;D
Post by: roudoudou on 22:12, 04 November 16
They say we are always bashing C64? Because of our Inferiority Complex? Really don't see that.
ONE people says that ONE demo says, there is a little difference :)
Post by: Puresox on 03:20, 05 November 16
There is more than one person on that point anyhow? What's your point?
Post by: MacDeath on 03:53, 05 November 16
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By the way, It seens that the creators of the c64 version have announced the project resumes after so many years ...Another great victory for you and an humiliating debacle for the overtly overstated and despicable talentless C64 scene*.
:laugh:
well, actually would have been great to have it on c64 too.
:(
*don't worry, was kidding... a bit. ;)
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Very interesting reading, that CPC forum thread. Everyone there seems to suffer from some kind of inferiority complex regarding the C64, feeling the need to constantly bash it and its users as they do. I mean, what does it fucking matter which 30+ year old platform you prefer to use? Just use the one you like best and be happy about it.
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its like speccy ppl. inferior - without the complex.a few banters are always fun and relevant, lol.
Post by: mr_lou on 08:23, 05 November 16
I know most readers already know this, but I feel it should be mentioned in this thread anyway:
Only judge the flicker on either a real Amstrad monitor, or a European CRT TV that runs 50 hz. That's the only place it'll be displayed correctly without any further fiddling.
If you want a correct result on a LCD monitor or TV, you need to make sure it displays 50 hz rather than the typical 60 hz. In my experience most can't be changed manually.
If you insist on using LCD for your Amstrad CPC, I highly recommend the X-RGB Mini Framemeister, as it converts the 50,08 hz RGB signal into a 50 fps HDMI stream which will result in actual 50 fps being shown. This isn't happening when using plain SCART with an LCD.
You can't trust 50 fps videos on YouTube either, when the refresh-rate of your monitor is 60 hz (and most are).
In short: Always download and watch on your real CPC with a CRT monitor for best result.
Post by: MacDeath on 14:11, 05 November 16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6CVDfFqsCk
Post by: ivarf on 15:27, 05 November 16
another video :
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6CVDfFqsCk[/youtube]
That LCD has some serious problem keeping up with the scrolling, at least it seems so watching the captured video converted throygh YouTube showing on my LCD pad
Post by: MacDeath on 15:46, 05 November 16
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That LCD has some serious problem keeping up with the scrolling, at least it seems so watching the captured video converted throygh YouTube showing on my LCD padWell, would be interesting to know what he uses to plug the CPC on this monitor ?
At least he uses a 5/4 sized monitor, I think. or not ?
Still same issue as usual : is the camera well synched with the monitor ? is the camera into a huge frequency ?
Seems you would use 100hz or 200hz caemeras at least... lol.
Still I never saw a preview game spawning that many videos from previously not CPC-friendly/regulars sources...
And I guess more videos are to come as well.
Here we have 8bitscene and Demoscene and Amigascene putting the projector on this.
CPC was unknown to Poland few years ago, until some Joker-themed-award-raping Demo showed those speccy-C64-Amigaists that CPC is more than just a bad Speccyclone but more like an upgraded AtariST clone with only 8bit CPU.
:laugh:
Anyway this Turek retromaniak seems to have a nice collection and actually posts quite a few videos for CPC.
turek = turkey?
But I guess he is Polish according to the writtings ?
The Polish retroscene and computer scene is supposedly very dinamic so that's a good thing they get interested in a "new" format that may have some interesting features compaired to the usual Sovietic Speccy clones.
After all they already know Z80 and AY soundchip anyway.
Post by: mr_lou on 06:49, 06 November 16
Isn't it supposed to run on a CPC plus?
I tried yesterday (at the annual local retro-gaming meeting), and all I got was a black screen.
Post by: ivarf on 09:52, 06 November 16
I haven't read through this whole thread, so I apologise if this has already been asked.
Isn't it supposed to run on a CPC plus?
I tried yesterday (at the annual local retro-gaming meeting), and all I got was a black screen.
Looking at the quality of the game I am not surprised it is to much for a late 8-bit..
Post by: Rhino on 12:14, 06 November 16
I haven't read through this whole thread, so I apologise if this has already been asked.
Isn't it supposed to run on a CPC plus?
I tried yesterday (at the annual local retro-gaming meeting), and all I got was a black screen.
It works on the plus. The only requirements are 128 kb and floppy drive.
Maybe it was a disk or drive issue? A 10 sectors per track special format designed by Arnoldemu is used, and maybe it is more sensitive to minor damages in disc that are not noticeable in standard format.
Post by: arnoldemu on 13:07, 06 November 16
Are you running it from hxc or gotek or real drive?
3.5" or 3"?
I will try and discover why it's not working for you.
Thank you.
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 13:20, 06 November 16
It works on the plus. The only requirements are 128 kb and floppy drive.
Maybe it was a disk or drive issue? A 10 sectors per track special format designed by Arnoldemu is used, and maybe it is more sensitive to minor damages in disc that are not noticeable in standard format.
I am writing just to confirm that it certainly works fine on the Plus :)
Post by: Rhino on 14:26, 06 November 16
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amstrad.es%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D19%26t%3D4525&edit-text=
Btw, the Oliver Twins verifying that it works on plus :)
(http://www.joycogames.com/download/pinball/otpd.jpg)
Post by: MaV on 14:48, 06 November 16
turek = turkey?http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=turek
But I guess he is Polish according to the writtings ?
A polish guy with croatian or serbian ancestry, most probably.
Post by: Sykobee (Briggsy) on 15:12, 06 November 16
One of the thing I think may be the most triky : all the colour cyclings everywhere...Indeed, but luckily the lights on the board (which seem to be set for the worst case scenario in the preview, they don't seem to be linked to the things that perma-light them up) flicker at around 0.5Hz, so that's 25 frames to update them (a few per frame).
(it's a freaking flipper/pinball)
It looks great though!
Post by: mr_lou on 18:25, 06 November 16
@mr_lou (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=96) : Please describe to me your plus configuration.
Are you running it from hxc or gotek or real drive?
3.5" or 3"?
464 plus with 128k ram, HxC, Megaflash...
I suspect it's the Megaflash causing trouble, because of memory issues. I think I've experienced this before. My best guess is that the Megaflash uses up too much memory preventing certain games to run.
It'll be a while before I get a chance to check. I'm thinking about completely removing the Megaflash.
Post by: MacDeath on 18:45, 06 November 16
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Btw, the Oliver Twins verifying that it works on plusAlways nice to see them around. They really are legends for us.
Post by: ivarf on 20:09, 06 November 16
Always nice to see them around. They really are legends for us.Did they release anything on the CPC to deserve that status? In my opinion their best games were early games like Killipede which was Amstrad only. Dizzy? No..
Post by: MacDeath on 20:18, 06 November 16
Basically they released a lot of games and were the typical exemple of "from Bedroom to job in video games".
Post by: Docent on 21:43, 06 November 16
Here we have 8bitscene and Demoscene and Amigascene putting the projector on this.
CPC was unknown to Poland few years ago, until some Joker-themed-award-raping Demo showed those speccy-C64-Amigaists that CPC is more than just a bad Speccyclone but more like an upgraded AtariST clone with only 8bit CPU.
I can assure you that Batman demo did not enlighten us in Poland :). Cpc was known in Poland for ages - I got mine (464) in 1985 and I knew many people who owned them at that time. Cpcs were highly appraised by computer magazines in Poland for its bundled monitor, its high resolution and high quality basic. 6128 was also very popular as cheap cp/m machine - many companies used it before switching to pcs. Of course, zx spectrum and Atari xl ruled in 8bits, followed by commodore (c64 and later amigas). Cpc was a minority platform, so it did not have a chance to get locally developed games, but the cracking scene in Poland was pretty strong - most titles were cracked locally from tape or disk copies of originals. There were also some small tools or games developed, I personally even did a small music disk for cpc with music ripped from various games :)
Post by: MacDeath on 22:14, 06 November 16
;D
Post by: Singaja on 22:17, 06 November 16
I can assure you that Batman demo did not enlighten us in Poland :) . Cpc was known in Poland for ages - I got mine (464) in 1985 and I knew many people who owned them at that time. Cpcs were highly appraised by computer magazines in Poland for its bundled monitor, its high resolution and high quality basic. 6128 was also very popular as cheap cp/m machine - many companies used it before switching to pcs. Of course, zx spectrum and Atari xl ruled in 8bits, followed by commodore (c64 and later amigas). Cpc was a minority platform, so it did not have a chance to get locally developed games, but the cracking scene in Poland was pretty strong - most titles were cracked locally from tape or disk copies of originals. There were also some small tools or games developed, I personally even did a small music disk for cpc with music ripped from various games :)To backen this up I can also add that CPCs were provided to Polish political opposition "Solidarność" for editing texts in the 80s. Some people also grey imported them, but there was no official distribution due to COCOM cold war embargo. The Polish well known computer magazine of it's time called Bajtek (literally meaning tiny byte) did cover Games and program listing to be typed in for CPCs.
Post by: Rhino on 20:36, 07 November 16
464 plus with 128k ram, HxC, Megaflash...
I suspect it's the Megaflash causing trouble, because of memory issues. I think I've experienced this before. My best guess is that the Megaflash uses up too much memory preventing certain games to run.
It'll be a while before I get a chance to check. I'm thinking about completely removing the Megaflash.
The preview uses the page 0 of extra mem (#c1-#c7 values). Maybe some memory extension does not map the extra mem in that page?
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 20:46, 07 November 16
Post by: arnoldemu on 22:11, 07 November 16
Is it a ram expansion or is it modified by Bryce to 128KB?
Post by: Puresox on 00:39, 08 November 16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIdAJuLidsc
You Tube link didn't work Mod so just put a link
Post by: MacDeath on 01:06, 08 November 16
Now you really have to finish this game and deliver what we all expect !!!
:laugh:
also is it me or is 2016 some sort of record breaking year concerning number of releases (whatever sort) ?
CPCpowers :
(may not be complete actually)
ten years ago, the number of "releases" averaged around 40 per years, be it full games, Demos or just a screen or sound-disks or applications....
2008 : 41 refs.
2009 : 41 refs
2010 : 50 refs
2011 : 52 refs
2012 : 65 refs
2013 : 72 refs
2014 : 78 refs
2015 : 103 refs
2016 : 91 refs
and still counting, I guess they still haven't entered the many games from this years Retrodev contest, and the many games that seem to be released right now is outstanding.
Post Edit :
now there are 131 entrie for 2016 at CPCpower, and still counting.
(Kukulcan implemented results from CPCretrodevs and all the recent releases/previews)
This marks a record as we are back to even more than the number of references from between 1995 and 1996, still less than 1995.
Post by: mr_lou on 18:05, 08 November 16
@mr_lou (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=96) :
Is it a ram expansion or is it modified by Bryce to 128KB?
Internally mounted, all done by Bryce yes.
But I've had issues with certain games before, that worked after freeing some slots in the Megaflash.
So I'm gonna try that when I have some time again. As usual I'm way booked with too many projects right now.
Post by: mr_lou on 18:06, 08 November 16
The preview uses the page 0 of extra mem (#c1-#c7 values). Maybe some memory extension does not map the extra mem in that page?
Too technical for me. I have no clue. :)
Post by: Skunkfish on 12:17, 09 November 16
Did they release anything on the CPC to deserve that status? In my opinion their best games were early games like Killipede which was Amstrad only. Dizzy? No..
Sacrilege! I love Dizzy :)
I mean sure, not all of the Twins games are 10/10 material but they've probably sold more games on the CPC than any other programmers and they were just teenagers at the time! Their throughput used to be incredible, wasn't it them who shared a CPC and took it in turns to code whilst the other one slept?
Post by: Dubliner on 13:36, 09 November 16
Btw, the Oliver Twins verifying that it works on plus :)
The Oliver Twins' faces when they were watching Batman Forever
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1085238/IMG_6869.JPG)
They could not believe what they were seing ;)
Post by: ASiC on 14:04, 09 November 16
The Oliver Twins' faces when they were watching Batman Forever
They could not believe what they were seing ;)
I'd love an (mini) interview of the Twins commenting of the stuff the CPC is capable of and why we didn't see even a fraction of it during its lifecycle.
Post by: Dubliner on 14:11, 09 November 16
I'd love an (mini) interview of the Twins commenting of the stuff the CPC is capable of and why we didn't see even a fraction of it during its lifecycle.
We had an informal chat with them about this kind of topics. They told us that they were more focussed on actually doing games that they were fun of playing and that it didn´t take too long to develop.
But they had in mind the demoescene when hiring workers for their studio after the Codemasters years.
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 17:03, 09 November 16
For example, in the particular case of our little adventure it would have been impossible to produce the game if I was not compiling it in Winape and writing the source code in the PC. The source is more than 350KB... imagine to write that in the Amstrad using a CP/M Plus text editor and without the mouse, it would not even fit in the RAM before compression :) . Then, compilation itself would take ages and this would make testing a bloody nightmare. Creating the graphics would have been crazy too. There were geniuses, of course, La Abadia del Crimen was entirely developed using a couple of 6128, but Paco Menéndez was a truly awesome programmer.
Post by: ASiC on 17:46, 09 November 16
The tools were not so good back in those days and many people was coding and compiling in the Amstrad itself; the knowledge of the machine was not perfect either, there were tight deadlines, the games had to be released for many systems at the same time... I reckon that all this made a huge difference.
For example, in the particular case of our little adventure it would have been impossible to produce the game if I was not compiling it in Winape and writing the source code in the PC. The source is more than 350KB... imagine to write it with in the Amstrad using a CP/M Plus text editor and without the mouse, it would not even fit in the RAM before compression :) . Then, compilation itself would take ages and this would make testing a bloody nightmare. Creating the graphics would have been crazy too. There were geniuses, of course, La Abadia del Crimen was entirely developed using a couple of 6128, but Paco Menéndez was a truly awesome programmer.
You are right of course about knowledge and advanced tools.
But dev kits existed back in the day. I remember reading a long time ago about two kits, one based on the Atari St and the other on x86 PC.
My best guess will be that the main culprits were all these different platforms (zx, c64 etc) and the presure from the deadlines.
Although I'd love to hear the opinion from an insider :)
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 19:06, 09 November 16
http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/games/rastan-coder/ (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/games/rastan-coder/)
In that regard, La Abadia del Crimen was an exception. Paco developed the game he wanted to create and only when it was finished it was offered to Opera for the distribution (I hope my memory is not failing me). This made a huge difference.
:)
P.D: I also forgot to mention that only a few games of the old times take advantage of the extra RAM in the 6128. This did not help either, but from a commercial point of view the games had to be as compatible as possible. I remember to hear that in some cases it was necessary to employ compression techniques that were killing a full 1 Mhz, or more, in the Z80.
Post by: dlfrsilver on 17:34, 10 November 16
Yes, I know that some of the Spanish companies (like Opera) where using a PC (I think it was a PC) to cross-compile for many 8 bit systems. However, this was in the final years of 8 bit development and the problem was that the kit, as far as I know, did not take advantage of the particular characteristics each the machine. I remember reading that the deadlines, and therefore the recycling of the code, were one of the main issues back in the day. The companies used to give programmers very little time to develop the games and they reached the market even with bugs in some cases. You can read more from a real insider here:
http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/games/rastan-coder/ (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/games/rastan-coder/)
In that regard, La Abadia del Crimen was an exception. Paco developed the game he wanted to create and only when it was finished it was offered to Opera for the distribution (I hope my memory is not failing me). This made a huge difference.
:)
P.D: I also forgot to mention that only a few games of the old times take advantage of the extra RAM in the 6128. This did not help either, but from a commercial point of view the games had to be as compatible as possible. I remember to hear that in some cases it was necessary to employ compression techniques that were killing a full 1 Mhz, or more, in the Z80.
Operasoft was using hardware emulators able to churn out a game on many plateform at the same time.
You should ask Syx about this matter, you'd be mad at the technics used.
However, we've seen too often that the C64 and ZX versions were done by the teams 3/4 of the deadline time, and the 2 last weeks were used to make the CPC version.
This because the CPC was seen as a crap and souless machine in UK. A fact that of course as a french guy i just can't agree with.
The CPC was better than those 2 since it was the last 8 bits coming on the market.
Post by: bjt on 14:24, 11 November 16
Post by: Puresox on 22:58, 17 November 16
Batman Group have shown what Soul the CPC has. And the serendipity of it being with the Production of Pinball Dreams is awesome. ;D
Post by: ivarf on 23:02, 17 November 16
Is there a tiny bit of Irony ,in the fact that Pinball Dreams was originally published by 21st Century Entertainment , which company was made up of Ex Hewson(I have just learned). And wasn't it Mr Hewson who recently made the comments about the CPC being Soul-less.
Batman Group have shown what Soul the CPC has. And the serendipity of it being with the Production of Pinball Dreams is awesome. ;D
Mr Hewson was a Spectrum man by heart
Post by: Puresox on 23:40, 17 November 16
I did find it odd that he said it tbh. Because he was very professional in converting his titles . I struggle to think of a truly bad title?
Post by: kawickboy on 00:56, 18 November 16
Post by: Puresox on 02:18, 18 November 16
The games were decently ported. Whether you like the games or not is up to you
Compare System 3, or US Gold Ports .
Post by: Rhino on 14:55, 19 November 16
Is there a tiny bit of Irony ,in the fact that Pinball Dreams was originally published by 21st Century Entertainment , which company was made up of Ex Hewson(I have just learned). And wasn't it Mr Hewson who recently made the comments about the CPC being Soul-less.
Batman Group have shown what Soul the CPC has. And the serendipity of it being with the Production of Pinball Dreams is awesome. ;D
Maybe Hewson did not see the true CPC soul :)
Post by: ukmarkh on 17:14, 19 November 16
Maybe Hewson did not see the true CPC soul :)
Well, Hewson were responsible for a lot of good games on the CPC, so for that I'm thankful.
One person's opinion however, counts for nothing, three million and more CPC users disagree!
Post by: ivarf on 19:32, 19 November 16
Well, Hewson were responsible for a lot of good games on the CPC, so for that I'm thankful.
One person's opinion however, counts for nothing, three million and more CPC users disagree!
Do we disagree with this? "Excluding the games made by Raphaele Cecco, the majority of Hewsons full price games for the Amstrad was quick Spectrum ports where little effort were made to use the machines potential."
Post by: ASiC on 23:40, 29 November 16
Post by: Gryzor on 16:52, 13 December 16
You Tube link didn't work Mod so just put a link
Always work - either remove https (only works with http automatically) or use the YT button :)
Post by: Gryzor on 17:02, 13 December 16
Post by: Puresox on 01:00, 14 December 16
That was Hewson's personal opinion, but had no bearing in how he ran the company. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and, certainly, after struggling with the poor ZX for years on end I can understand why he would feel like that about a more complete machine. So what, give him a break :)Give me break ,
It was just an interesting, serendipitous ironic link so I'm going to say something about it . Nothing more It wasn't just a random attack on the guy . And my comments further on in the thread , were praising the company . Why you feel the need to make a point of this about a month after this comment was made who knows. ???
Post by: Gryzor on 09:21, 14 December 16
Give me break ,
It was just an interesting, serendipitous ironic link so I'm going to say something about it . Nothing more It wasn't just a random attack on the guy . And my comments further on in the thread , were praising the company . Why you feel the need to make a point of this about a month after this comment was made who knows. ???
Dude, chill, as our over-the-pond cousins would say. Are you serious? I wasn't even replying to you, it was a whole side-discussion, and if you think you can dictate me or anyone else the time frame within which they may express their opinion, then you got it all wrong.
Post by: bjt on 02:18, 28 December 16
(http://i.imgur.com/Pn8CE4Yl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Pn8CE4Y)
Post by: Ast on 15:26, 28 December 16
Post by: Gryzor on 16:49, 28 December 16
Post by: TotO on 17:05, 28 December 16
Waooo! 23 pages for a preview ! :laugh:Fixed. May be because, to much other games give less in their final versions? :-\
Post by: Neil79 on 13:00, 09 March 17
http://www.indieretronews.com/2017/03/pinball-dreams-preview-2-fantastic.html
Post by: Gryzor on 14:07, 09 March 17
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Post by: HAL 6128 on 22:38, 09 March 17
Post by: Rhino on 13:38, 10 March 17
The current two tables gfxs:
(http://www.joycogames.com/download/pinball/two_tables.jpg)
Post by: Gryzor on 13:41, 10 March 17
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Post by: Lazy Dude on 16:26, 11 March 17
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Post by: beb on 19:51, 11 March 17
I'm just wondering , and maybe Rhino can answer me...
If this game use only 50% of cpc capacities (as he said) I really want to know how much of percent it use on the original amiga500.
Because as far as I know it was coded by demomaker from Silents...
... Maybe demomakers on amiga are a bit overrated ? :)
Post by: dlfrsilver on 02:21, 12 March 17
Post by: Skunkfish on 19:53, 12 March 17
Has work continued on the previous table as well? From memory the table scoring mechanics weren't yet complete....
Post by: Rhino on 23:29, 12 March 17
I have not looked in, but Amiga have enough power for Pinball Dreams and much more: hardware scroll + hard sprites + blitter for lights + 68000 for maths + 1mb of RAM... they even used extra half-brite mode (64 colors) that very few games use.
@Skunkfish (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=348)
The work continues, but we will not release preview updates but the full version when finished. This does not mean that advances in gfxs and other things can be published during progress.
Regards!
Post by: Gryzor on 11:43, 13 March 17
Post by: Lazy Dude on 12:20, 25 March 17
Decent? ??? Pardon my french but this is not merely a decent game, it's f****** amazing game.
The British do have a way of understating things!
Until we are drunk.
I agree with @gryzor with demos, theres still plenty of good things to look forward to.
Post by: Rhino on 23:06, 27 April 17
(http://www.joycogames.com/download/pinball/nightmare.png)
I was afraid that the CPC palette could not give a result so faithful to the original. But finally, I am very happy with the Mac work on the last 2 tables.
Regards!
Post by: HAL 6128 on 23:24, 27 April 17
You are doing a good and fast progress. And that's a great conversion. Excellent work.
Post by: VincentGR on 23:25, 27 April 17
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Post by: Rhino on 00:32, 21 May 17
Maybe somebody can help me... To finish Beat Box I only need to implement the "Mega Hit", but I do not remember exactly what it was. I know how to get it to turn on (flashing) and it only lasts for a few seconds, but I do not know what it does, the score it gives, bonus, etc ... Does anyone know? I have been playing and it seems to be difficult to get...
(http://www.joycogames.com/download/pinball/bb_mh.png)
Thanks in advance!
Post by: VincentGR on 01:32, 21 May 17
Meanwhile the manual said :picard:
(https://s26.postimg.org/s9i1vg1eh/Capture.jpg)
I don't get it.
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 10:06, 21 May 17
Maybe somebody can help me... To finish Beat Box I only need to implement the "Mega Hit", but I do not remember exactly what it was. I know how to get it to turn on (flashing) and it only lasts for a few seconds, but I do not know what it does, the score it gives, bonus, etc ... Does anyone know? I have been playing and it seems to be difficult to get...Even the Amiga Longplay video doesn't show what happens! Sorry!
Thanks in advance!
[youtube]https://youtu.be/6UNGMiPETXo?t=3912 (https://youtu.be/6UNGMiPETXo?t=3912)
[/youtube]
EDIT: Using the YOOTOOB bbcode breaks the timecode. The MEGAHIT section starts from about 1:05:30
Post by: Rhino on 10:25, 21 May 17
Can't really remember as my big score was two decades ago.
Meanwhile the manual said :picard:
(https://s26.postimg.org/s9i1vg1eh/Capture.jpg)
I don't get it.
Thank you!
From what version is that manual? I have the original Amiga game (first edition) which include less info.
Post by: Rhino on 10:44, 21 May 17
Even the Amiga Longplay video doesn't show what happens! Sorry!
[youtube]https://youtu.be/6UNGMiPETXo?t=3912 (https://youtu.be/6UNGMiPETXo?t=3912)
[/youtube]
EDIT: Using the YOOTOOB bbcode breaks the timecode. The MEGAHIT section starts from about 1:05:30
Thank you!
Yes, unfortunately it does not get it. For now I know the following: It remains flashing for 20 seconds, the score shows "COUNTING" + an increasing score from approximately 500,000 to 13,000,000.
I guess when you get it up, you will be given the score that appear at that moment in the scoreboard. But I find it strange that the counting score is increasing instead of decrementing since it does not encourage you to get it fast and in the end it is all or nothing. It would make more sense to start with a high counter and decrease it, so that the sooner you get the more points you get.
What I do not know is if those points go to the score directly, or to the bonus, and the scoreboard fx when you get it + jingle to play.
Regards!
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 10:51, 21 May 17
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqskfn6jSk[/youtube]
Post by: amijim on 12:29, 21 May 17
Post by: Rhino on 13:14, 21 May 17
In this one, he gets it immediately (around 07:50) and misses (around 28:00) the second time.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqskfn6jSk[/youtube]
Thanks!, that new video clarified my doubts.
@amijim (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1950)
It would be possible!, but it requires 128kb of RAM, so GX4000 would not be compatible.
Post by: VincentGR on 16:54, 21 May 17
Thank you!
From what version is that manual? I have the original Amiga game (first edition) which include less info.
Here you go
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 17:34, 21 May 17
Thanks!, that new video clarified my doubts.
@amijim (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1950)
It would be possible!, but it requires 128kb of RAM, so GX4000 would not be compatible.
Still totally worth it!
Post by: amijim on 09:02, 22 May 17
Post by: CraigsBar on 11:55, 22 May 17
Hello there, i guess the majorety of c4cpc modules are used with amstrad 6128+ as 6128+ was the most successfull model of the plus range and it would be beneficial to make cpr file editions of the newly created software.I do not know neither have the skills to make such a cpr cartridge file edition of pinball dreams but if there somebody out there who has such skills , i would really appreciate to make the cartridge conversion.By the way c4cpc module is really great!thank you Gerarld!Not so sure about that. I am not alone in buying a NOS gx4000 once the c4cpc was released. I actually have 2 one in my plus and one in the gx.
Sent from my ONEPLUS 3t using Tapatalk
Post by: gerald on 19:04, 22 May 17
Post by: Rhino on 00:32, 23 May 17
Here you go
Thanks! These instructions look like the PC version, some elements of Beat Box are slightly changed in the screenshot, but contains more info than the Amiga manual I have.
Post by: Sykobee (Briggsy) on 01:28, 23 May 17
Hello there, i guess the majorety of c4cpc modules are used with amstrad 6128+ as 6128+ was the most successfull model of the plus range and it would be beneficial to make cpr file editions of the newly created software.I do not know neither have the skills to make such a cpr cartridge file edition of pinball dreams but if there somebody out there who has such skills , i would really appreciate to make the cartridge conversion.By the way c4cpc module is really great!thank you Gerarld!
Problem is that 6128+ systems are horribly expensive, but GX4000s are relatively cheap. I certainly use my C4CPC with a GX4000.
However I have no problem with 128K games being cart-ised. Maybe someone will come up with a 64KB expansion hack for the GX4000...
Post by: andycadley on 20:17, 23 May 17
Post by: Phantomz on 21:01, 23 May 17
Maybe someone will come up with a 64KB expansion hack for the GX4000...
I for one would love to get a GX4000 with 128KB ;D
Post by: MacDeath on 01:17, 24 May 17
Quote
I for one would love to get a GX4000 with 128KBthen just get yourself a 6128PLUS or an upgraded 464PLUS...
:picard:
Post by: Phantomz on 03:19, 24 May 17
then just get yourself a 6128PLUS or an upgraded 464PLUS...
:picard:
I've already got a 6128 PLUS ;D
I would like a console with 128k for it's small form factor, the extra memory would help with getting more software running on it. ;)
Post by: VincentGR on 13:06, 24 May 17
Post by: Sykobee (Briggsy) on 13:32, 24 May 17
then just get yourself a 6128PLUS or an upgraded 464PLUS...
:picard:
Yeah, these systems are getting pretty expensive these days.
I don't know if it's possible to design a 'ram expansion' cartridge that could live between the GX4000 and the game carts. I suspect that not enough signals are exposed on the cart slot. IIRC Piotr managed to fully CPC-ize a GX4000 motherboard with a lot of effort.
However it may be possible, with some effort, to snapshot the upper-64KB of a 128KB game once it's loaded, stick that into cart ROM, and then update the game code to skip the loading of this data, and change how it's paged in. A lot of work for old games, but maybe doable for in-development games.
Post by: Shining on 15:16, 24 May 17
Post by: robcfg on 17:39, 24 May 17
As the ASIC is the same as in the 6128+, would it be possible to wire another two chips anywhere or change them for bigger ones?
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 17:53, 24 May 17
Post by: VincentGR on 17:55, 24 May 17
Maybe a guru guy here has more details about that.
I think you should start a new topic ;D
Post by: villain on 20:27, 24 May 17
IIRC Piotr managed to fully CPC-ize a GX4000 motherboard with a lot of effort.
That's exactly what Cranium already did in the early 90s. There should be an article in the german CPCAI.
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 17:38, 28 May 17
A few famous musicianist peoples are now converting the musics for each table... and... I have been informed that the NIGHTMARE musics have now been completed! So that's 50% of the ingame musics have been done! ^_^ Can't wait to see the completed product!
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 11:31, 22 June 17
Also, Epyteor have completed the crack for the "unofficial" release (which we will spread before the official release! ^_^)
(NOTE: You need to be a fan of the original to understand this joke!)
Post by: Gryzor on 17:08, 22 June 17
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Post by: ivarf on 12:15, 24 June 17
Well, if he only had such developers back then...?
The better developers that have worked for Hewson on Amstrad games
Dave Rogers
Raffaele Gecco
John Phillips
Dominic Robinson
I think what this is all about is that Andrew Hewson really was a speccycoder
Post by: arnoldemu on 12:31, 24 June 17
Hewson, Ocean,Elite and Gremlin were consistently good.
The others had a mix of quality.
Post by: ivarf on 18:52, 24 June 17
This is now going off topic but I always thought Hewson games were good.
Hewson, Ocean,Elite and Gremlin were consistently good.
The others had a mix of quality.
I disagree, they all had variable quality. Elite was probably most consistent of these four. Check the releases of the individual companies using this link and enter the name of the company in the search box : http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=staff
(http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=staff)
Post by: GUNHED on 18:43, 26 June 17
Post by: 6128 on 19:12, 26 June 17
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 10:49, 27 June 17
Hi! Where can I buy the game or download it? Sorry for asking, but can't find it in the topic's posts. :)
Game is not finished ...oopps .. I have not seen the up-post
Post by: GUNHED on 15:59, 30 June 17
Post by: jesusdelmas on 04:28, 30 October 17
Post by: Rhino on 23:26, 30 October 17
Hi everyone ;D is there a release date or something of this game? I hope is finished before new year :)
Hi!
There is no release date yet (and before new year seems too soon), but we continue working to meet the expectations :)
Post by: jesusdelmas on 02:19, 31 October 17
Hi!
There is no release date yet (and before new year seems too soon), but we continue working to meet the expectations :)
cool! thanks for you Answer
Post by: Gryzor on 09:31, 31 October 17
Post by: Joseman on 11:13, 31 October 17
Hi!
There is no release date yet (and before new year seems too soon), but we continue working to meet the expectations :)
The expectations are more than meet with the demo!!
of course this game will be a milestone on cpc games and shut up a lot of mouths (from other scenes)
Post by: VincentGR on 14:57, 31 October 17
Post by: Rhino on 13:25, 07 November 17
We contacted Hewson Consultants (parents of 21 Century), which redirected us to Rebellion, which have not responded to us for now.
But on the other hand, we are not sure that Rebellion are the current owners of the rights. Does anyone know anything else?
Thanks!
Post by: roudoudou on 13:35, 07 November 17
We are also trying to contact the current owners of the game rights, in order to not have issues and be able to publish it.
We contacted Hewson Consultants (parents of 21 Century), which redirected us to Rebellion, which have not responded to us for now.
But on the other hand, we are not sure that Rebellion are the current owners of the rights. Does anyone know anything else?
Thanks!
You should ask to the demoscene facebook group -> https://www.facebook.com/groups/2449451940/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2449451940/)
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 13:48, 07 November 17
We are also trying to contact the current owners of the game rights, in order to not have issues and be able to publish it.Have you tried DiCE direct? http://www.dice.se/about/
We contacted Hewson Consultants (parents of 21 Century), which redirected us to Rebellion, which have not responded to us for now.
But on the other hand, we are not sure that Rebellion are the current owners of the rights. Does anyone know anything else?
Maybe they have an idea about who still owns copyright.
Post by: VincentGR on 14:28, 07 November 17
Try here, really don't know if is somebody else :-X
EDIT:
Damn didn't see that DICE post was already...
Post by: Skunkfish on 19:30, 07 November 17
21st Century released Pinball Dreams 2 developed by Spidersoft rather the DICE, so I suspect the rights to the name sat with them.
Post by: Rhino on 17:33, 08 November 17
I also thought about asking the developers of the C64 version, since I read somewhere that they had obtained the permissions.
As far as I know, 21 Century sold the rights to Rebellion, but I do not know if they keep them. What I know is that it is hard to contact with Rebellion, I've tried it through several routes, web, Facebook, ... and they have not answer. That "lack of interest" could mean that they no longer have the rights ...
On the other hand, Cowboy Rodeo released iOS versions in 2011, but I have not found a trace of them to be able to ask.
Post by: Lazy Dude on 15:33, 22 November 17
Thanks! I will ask DICE (nothing is lost by asking)
I also thought about asking the developers of the C64 version, since I read somewhere that they had obtained the permissions.
As far as I know, 21 Century sold the rights to Rebellion, but I do not know if they keep them. What I know is that it is hard to contact with Rebellion, I've tried it through several routes, web, Facebook, ... and they have not answer. That "lack of interest" could mean that they no longer have the rights ...
On the other hand, Cowboy Rodeo released iOS versions in 2011, but I have not found a trace of them to be able to ask.
Credit due for atleast making the effort to make contact. Lets hope it's not a stumbling block.
Post by: Skunkfish on 15:50, 22 November 17
On the other hand, Cowboy Rodeo released iOS versions in 2011, but I have not found a trace of them to be able to ask.
They seem to have disappeared, but I found an article stating that they licensed the IP from Rebellion:
http://www.develop-online.net/press-releases/cowboy-rodeo-puts-the-classic-pinball-back-to-the-apple-iphone/0135065
Post by: Skunkfish on 17:03, 22 November 17
Jason Kingsley, OBE is the CEO and his Twitter handle is @RebellionJason
Post by: NiNxPe on 16:24, 14 December 17
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Post by: khaz on 16:55, 14 December 17
Post by: Gryzor on 17:53, 14 December 17
Post by: VincentGR on 17:54, 14 December 17
;D ;D ;D
Post by: Token on 18:15, 14 December 17
Post by: DanyPPC on 19:30, 14 December 17
Post by: felow on 15:32, 19 December 17
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 16:30, 19 December 17
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 18:35, 19 December 17
...and now, the four tables of the game :
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You should see them animated! ^_^
Even though it's still very early in the project (and a lot of CBM fanboys would kill me on sight), I have to say that I prefer the CPC version to the Amiga! Rhino is, without a shadow of a doubt, the "Coding God" of the Amstrad!
Post by: cpcitor on 19:23, 19 December 17
I got proved that a 464 can load tapes recorded at 6500 bauds.
i tested that on my 464, Turrican 2 intro part played in 1mn05, and each level took 20 seconds to load :)
I'm interested. Can you elaborate? Provide links to tools and documentation?
Back to topic, the pinball screens are... gorgeous? Given the platform limitations, there's no word strong enough!
Post by: AxelStone on 22:58, 20 December 17
Post by: Sice on 01:04, 24 December 17
I'm amazed at this preview. I have a few questions, if the CPU use is only about 50% does this leave the possibility to have the songs using samples for 1 of 2 of the channels, perhaps using Arkos Tracker v2? I love the AY for some sounds (bass, drums etc) but sometimes the square wave is annoying for main melody channels! I was curious if any of the channels might have sampled sound?
Also I'm assuming this game will be a paid one, or at the very least you should setup a donation account for all the hard work gone into it?
Thanks,
Sice
Post by: Fabu on 14:47, 26 September 18
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 08:55, 27 September 18
Hello,News of the progress of the game with all the tables? ::)(http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12369.0;attach=24331;image)
I think there are 4 tables made, for the moment :)
Post by: Ast on 12:59, 27 September 18
Post by: GUNHED on 13:23, 27 September 18
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 20:58, 27 September 18
Is there a link to the most recent version?I think that this:
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=68387
Post by: Rhino on 12:46, 06 October 18
Hey Rhino,I'm sorry to answer so late, but I've been disconnected from the retro world for a while.
I'm amazed at this preview. I have a few questions, if the CPU use is only about 50% does this leave the possibility to have the songs using samples for 1 of 2 of the channels, perhaps using Arkos Tracker v2? I love the AY for some sounds (bass, drums etc) but sometimes the square wave is annoying for main melody channels! I was curious if any of the channels might have sampled sound?
Also I'm assuming this game will be a paid one, or at the very least you should setup a donation account for all the hard work gone into it?
Thanks,
Sice
The problem using samples is basically a memory issue. On the other hand, we can not sell physical editions since we do not have the rights, but we have thought about doing a very limited edition only for developer members. And thank you for your donation offer, but we are happy to do it just for hobby and love to CPC.
Regards!
Post by: HAL 6128 on 20:19, 07 October 18
Post by: VincentGR on 21:02, 07 October 18
Youtuber Hiponios paid 2000e for making a smurf game for the Amiga with a game designer software.
The game was free for download, 50 persons got it.
You really don't know when and who will hit you.
I wish we had an answer from PD's rights owner.
Post by: Gryzor on 21:04, 07 October 18
Post by: HAL 6128 on 00:48, 08 October 18
Post by: Rhino on 16:23, 08 October 18
Post by: Maniac on 16:45, 08 October 18
Hey guys, you are not motivating me very much to finish it! hehePlease don’t say that! The demo you released showed how capable our CPC could be in the right hands. I’d love to see this reach completion especially given the C64 version is still AWOL!
Post by: Gryzor on 16:47, 08 October 18
Post by: VincentGR on 16:48, 08 October 18
You carry a heavy weight on your shoulders ;)
Post by: LambdaMikel on 17:20, 08 October 18
Post by: HAL 6128 on 17:30, 08 October 18
Hey guys, you are not motivating me very much to finish it! hehe...hell no, I'm sure you will kick the shit (ups, ...permission) out of owner ass as soon as they see what you have done!
Post by: DanyPPC on 19:40, 08 October 18
I would be really happy to buy a nice Pinball Dreams style game. It's an idea, what about it ?
Post by: Rhino on 22:30, 08 October 18
Contacting the current owners of the rights (Rebellion) does not seem easy, they have ignored me in several attempts ... so it seems that they are in other issues.
On the other hand, I am currently trying to contact Andreas Axelsson because, although currently he does not have the rights, I would not like to release the game without the permission of the original authors.
Post by: amijim on 23:16, 08 October 18
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 03:17, 09 October 18
Ideas are not copywriteable. Execution, though, is. And 'design' is execution, so yes, you do.
Who owns it now? 21st Century Entertainment or a successor?
21st Century Entertainment were the successor of Hewson, a company recently re-formed and making new games. It's now run by Andrew Hewson and his son.
Post by: Gryzor on 06:22, 09 October 18
Post by: Rhino on 17:23, 09 October 18
Vacation for a proper pinball flipper game for our cpc.I really like wizzard pinball but i want to contribute to this cpc history somehow.One week for the team.contact me.Hiponiuos also desreves a week for this 2000e.Hponios contact me.Thank you very much, let us finish the game first and see if it meets expectations.
Post by: Rhino on 17:24, 09 October 18
I contacted Rob Hewson, a very nice guy, who told me that the rights are currently held by Rebellion.
Who owns it now? 21st Century Entertainment or a successor?
21st Century Entertainment were the successor of Hewson, a company recently re-formed and making new games. It's now run by Andrew Hewson and his son.
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 22:30, 09 October 18
Take as much time as you need, Rhino!
Post by: Dubliner on 07:25, 10 October 18
Contacting the current owners of the rights (Rebellion) does not seem easy, they have ignored me in several attempts ... so it seems that they are in other issues.
I maybe can help with that. You have an email.
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 20:57, 16 October 18
Post by: VincentGR on 21:00, 16 October 18
Good news, friends, we already have in the final phase the Pinball Dreams game for our beloved Amstrad!
We are in the testing phase so that we have the gaming experience that is most similar to the Amiga 500 version.
We ask you a little patience, friends.
;D
Post by: alex76gr on 08:07, 17 October 18
We trust in you.
Post by: LambdaMikel on 08:23, 17 October 18
Post by: kawickboy on 10:34, 17 October 18
Post by: Skunkfish on 11:15, 17 October 18
Post by: remax on 16:12, 23 October 18
Post by: ukmarkh on 00:19, 25 October 18
Post by: Rhino on 20:48, 16 February 19
Batman Group is proud to present our new division for the game development "BG Games". This new brand arises from the need to show the world the true potential of CPC as gaming machine.
Pinball Dreams will be the first of our releases. Finished since November, we're just waiting to close a deal with the giant Rebellion to bring the CPC the official version of the famed classic on which industry legends like 21st Century Entertainment or DICE were founded.
The wait will be worth it...
In the meantime, we'd like to show you a little preview in this video teaser:
https://youtu.be/_DetN_pol6g
Post by: VincentGR on 20:49, 16 February 19
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 22:10, 16 February 19
this is absolute fabulous, I look forward to you reaching an agreement with Rebellion to enjoy this great game :o :o :o
Post by: Rhino on 22:53, 16 February 19
Post by: robcfg on 23:16, 16 February 19
Looking forward to finally play it on my CPC!
Post by: Maniac on 00:57, 17 February 19
Post by: Gryzor on 10:59, 17 February 19
Post by: TotO on 12:40, 17 February 19
Post by: Rhino on 14:40, 17 February 19
Bloody fantastic news! Does this mean a physical release??We can't anticipate much info yet, as there's nothing closed yet, but if all goes well, seeing a current industry giant like Rebellion licensing a current release for CPC could be news that transcends not only the CPC scene, but the whole retro scene.
Post by: robcfg on 18:31, 17 February 19
Post by: LambdaMikel on 21:39, 17 February 19
Played Pinball Dreams for hours on my Amiga 500 in the late 80s / early 90s.
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 14:39, 18 February 19
Played Pinball Dreams for hours on my Amiga 500 in the late 80s / early 90s.Wow! Were you a beta tester for the Amiga game? That must've been just so awesome!
EDIT: I am guessing the "downvote" on YOOTOOB is from the USA... from a German "banned from this forum" CPCer perhaps!
Post by: kawickboy on 15:30, 18 February 19
21st Century was founded by former hewson members, wasn't it ?
Post by: TotO on 16:08, 18 February 19
Anyway, here's the soundtrack for PD-CPC... if you're interested...Tasteful sound chip mister! ;)
soundcloud.com/jonah-tasteful-mr-ship/sets/pinball-dreams-cpc (https://soundcloud.com/jonah-tasteful-mr-ship/sets/pinball-dreams-cpc)
Post by: Rhino on 16:29, 18 February 19
EDIT: I am guessing the "downvote" on YOOTOOB is from the USA... from a German "banned from this forum" CPCer perhaps!
I rather think that it is a C64 user :)
Post by: Rhino on 16:31, 18 February 19
Great teaser.
21st Century was founded by former hewson members, wasn't it ?
Thanks!
That's right.
Post by: VincentGR on 16:45, 18 February 19
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 17:01, 18 February 19
I rather think that it is a C64 user :)Ha! Yeah! You're probably right! ^_^
It's a shame that the other platforms have to hate on each other! Surely they can see if WE can get the license for an official Pinball Dreams, then it will open-up for C64, ZX, MSX, Xl./XE versions, too! Such short-sighted-ness-ess shows that a lot of us (me included) have not grown-up and moved on! Retro Forever!
Post by: LambdaMikel on 18:20, 18 February 19
Wow! Were you a beta tester for the Amiga game? That must've been just so awesome!No, I just forgot when I played it. I think it was probably mid 90s. I think maybe it was not before 1993 or so that I played the game.When was it released for the Amiga?
Anyway, here's the soundtrack for PD-CPC... if you're interested...
soundcloud.com/jonah-tasteful-mr-ship/sets/pinball-dreams-cpc (https://soundcloud.com/jonah-tasteful-mr-ship/sets/pinball-dreams-cpc)
EDIT: I am guessing the "downvote" on YOOTOOB is from the USA... from a German "banned from this forum" CPCer perhaps!
Why are you bringing up that "EDIT:" with some Anti-German / Anti-US / banned member comment in the context of my post? Is that something I should relate to?
Post by: andycadley on 21:28, 19 February 19
Post by: roudoudou on 10:19, 20 February 19
Post by: Gryzor on 10:27, 20 February 19
Post by: Rhino on 00:07, 22 February 19
the game is going to reach perfection, that's great! 8)Thanks!
If I had to do it again there are some things I would change, but I think the result will not disappoint anyone.
Very important to play it in the real hardware, it is incredible the difference in emulators, not only visually but in the gameplay.
To make the game as the original was necessary an immediate keyboard response, which requires not only that the game runs at 50 fps, but not to use techniques such as double buffer and that the time between reading the keyboard status and the user sees the response on screen is the minimum possible. But the response of the keyboard usually has a delay in emulators that does not occur in the real hardware (either by the management of the keyboard itself or if the emulator includes an internal double buffer), in others games this is hardly appreciated because fewer fps disguise the issue and it only involves moving 1 pixel more or less or a frame before or after, but, in PD hit the ball a frame before/after supposes that the ball angles are different and affect the aim.
Post by: mr_lou on 07:06, 22 February 19
But the response of the keyboard usually has a delay in emulators that does not occur in the real hardware
Well, you can't expect a PC to be as fast as the CPC. :)
Post by: cpcitor on 11:02, 22 February 19
To make the game as the original was necessary an immediate keyboard response, which requires not only that the game runs at 50 fps, but not to use techniques such as double buffer and that the time between reading the keyboard status and the user sees the response on screen is the minimum possible. But the response of the keyboard usually has a delay in emulators that does not occur in the real hardware (either by the management of the keyboard itself or if the emulator includes an internal double buffer), in others games this is hardly appreciated because fewer fps disguise the issue and it only involves moving 1 pixel more or less or a frame before or after, but, in PD hit the ball a frame before/after supposes that the ball angles are different and affect the aim.
You nail it. One can be fully unaware of latency for years, and only understand it when seeing a paint-with-fingers application on a tablet.
This video shows practically importance of latency from 100ms (typical modern device) down to 1ms : https://youtu.be/vOvQCPLkPt4?t=52
See https://danluu.com/input-lag/ for all details. The Apple 2e has hardware-based debouncing (capacitor,resistor) see https://danluu.com/input-lag/#appendix-apple-2-keyboard .
I would expect the Amstrad CPC to appear in the table roughly at the same spot as the Commodore 64.
It would be very interesting if someone could measure the actual latency on the CPC (in ms), in Basic and with optimized routines.
Post by: roudoudou on 13:24, 22 February 19
2 cases with games with low fps:
It would be very interesting if someone could measure the actual latency on the CPC (in ms), in Basic and with optimized routines.
- 10 fps for game but 50fps for keyboard (AFAIK this does not exist) -> response is 20ms but display is delayed anyway
- 10 fps for game AND 10 fps for keyboard (dragon ninja, chaseHQ, ...) -> response is 100ms
high-fps game like pinball
- 50 fps for game and 50 fps for keyboard -> response is 20ms
Post by: cpcitor on 14:45, 22 February 19
From https://danluu.com/input-lag/#appendix-experimental-setup :
Quote
Most measurements were taken with the 240fps camera (4.167 ms resolution) in the iPhone SE. Devices with response times below 40 ms were re-measured with a 1000fps camera (1 ms resolution), the Sony RX100 V in PAL mode. Results in the tables are the results of multiple runs and are rounded to the nearest 10 ms to avoid the impression of false precision. For desktop results, results are measured from when the key started moving until the screen finished updating.
Post by: Rhino on 15:46, 22 February 19
You nail it. One can be fully unaware of latency for years, and only understand it when seeing a paint-with-fingers application on a tablet.
This video shows practically importance of latency from 100ms (typical modern device) down to 1ms : https://youtu.be/vOvQCPLkPt4?t=52 (https://youtu.be/vOvQCPLkPt4?t=52)
See https://danluu.com/input-lag/ (https://danluu.com/input-lag/) for all details. The Apple 2e has hardware-based debouncing (capacitor,resistor) see https://danluu.com/input-lag/#appendix-apple-2-keyboard (https://danluu.com/input-lag/#appendix-apple-2-keyboard) .
I would expect the Amstrad CPC to appear in the table roughly at the same spot as the Commodore 64.
It would be very interesting if someone could measure the actual latency on the CPC (in ms), in Basic and with optimized routines.
A very interesting article, thanks!
Post by: Rhino on 15:59, 22 February 19
2 cases with games with low fps:Also note that fps is not the only variable, if a game runs at 50 fps but uses double buffer, the keyboard response is applied first to the working screen buffer that will be visible in the next frame, so there is a delay of an additional frame in that case. Without double buffer the time between checking keys and visualization is, in theory, less than 20ms depending on which moment of the frame the keyboard status is read.
- 10 fps for game but 50fps for keyboard (AFAIK this does not exist) -> response is 20ms but display is delayed anyway
- 10 fps for game AND 10 fps for keyboard (dragon ninja, chaseHQ, ...) -> response is 100ms
high-fps game like pinball
- 50 fps for game and 50 fps for keyboard -> response is 20ms
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 19:54, 26 February 19
Booh, the Soundcloud link is down :(It was a "teaser"! ^_^You will have to wait until the full game is released to hear the other tables' musics!
Bwha! Ha! Ha! ha!
Post by: Gryzor on 20:48, 26 February 19
Sent from my ONEPLUS A6000 using Tapatalk
Post by: mr_lou on 20:51, 26 February 19
Luckily I downloaded everything. Wanna buy a Blu-ray edition? 8)
Post by: Gryzor on 21:07, 26 February 19
Sent from my ONEPLUS A6000 using Tapatalk
Post by: mr_lou on 21:33, 26 February 19
But I can mail you a Blu-ray disc with its own embedded webserver that you can access on your CPC via your M4 expansion and load it into your MSX MP3 plugin via AMSDAP.
Unless of course you know of a geekier way.....
Post by: PuzCPC on 06:00, 27 February 19
Almost better than the Amiga version. :o
Post by: Neil79 on 02:07, 02 March 19
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qqYL45bB0-4/XHnJxXSc_hI/AAAAAAAApGI/DJDTc7htcUscnHFg4KLTO7fm9hQt7ER9ACLcBGAs/s640/b3e9c853d433566eebde0aa0cc29c6e292baf7fb542cbea10dc12219614ab2e9.png)
http://www.indieretronews.com/2019/03/pinball-dreams-on-amstrad-cpc-exclusive.html (http://www.indieretronews.com/2019/03/pinball-dreams-on-amstrad-cpc-exclusive.html)
Post by: Gryzor on 07:39, 02 March 19
Post by: TotO on 09:18, 02 March 19
Post by: zeropolis79 on 09:39, 02 March 19
Post by: Xifos on 11:50, 02 March 19
;)
(good to see it works with ram expansion)
Post by: Maniac on 12:22, 02 March 19
Post by: robcfg on 12:30, 02 March 19
Arnoldemu's disk routines are superb, but disks themselves are a pain, and I simply don't have time to go search for an external disk drive, a computer with disk drive, appropriate disk, to play when I have very little time.
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 14:27, 02 March 19
75% of the music was done by RAFT/TRSI.
24.9% of the music was done by McKlain.
0.1% of the music was done by me! ^_^
100% of the in-table sfx was done by RAFT/TRSI.
However, I have been playing this game for THREE YEARS (as an official tester) and I now totally hate it! ^_^
Major respects to everyone at BGGames and the external testers for their amazing work over the three years! You should be proud of what you have achieved here! We (me included) look forward to the official release! IT... LOOKS... AMAZING!
Post by: Syncmaster319 on 17:11, 02 March 19
Hi All,
Does anyone know if Pinball Dream preview works with the M4 Wifi Board? I just get a black screen on my standard 6128 (CRTC2)
Thanks
Mark
Post by: Rhino on 22:06, 02 March 19
I'd just like to mention;
75% of the music was done by RAFT/TRSI.
24.9% of the music was done by McKlain.
0.1% of the music was done by me! ^_^
100% of the in-table sfx was done by RAFT/TRSI.
However, I have been playing this game for THREE YEARS (as an official tester) and I now totally hate it! ^_^
Major respects to everyone at BGGames and the external testers for their amazing work over the three years! You should be proud of what you have achieved here! We (me included) look forward to the official release! IT... LOOKS... AMAZING!
You are too modest, I would say that 90% of the music is yours :)
Post by: Rhino on 22:09, 02 March 19
Hi All,Currently it is not compatible with M4 because it uses its own disk loader, maybe it would be possible to make a M4 version replacing the current loader with an exclusive one for M4.
Does anyone know if Pinball Dream preview works with the M4 Wifi Board? I just get a black screen on my standard 6128 (CRTC2)
Thanks
Mark
Post by: robcfg on 22:34, 02 March 19
Currently it is not compatible with M4 because it uses its own disk loader, maybe it would be possible to make a M4 version replacing the current loader with an exclusive one for M4.
That would be very nice!
Post by: Duke on 01:03, 03 March 19
Currently it is not compatible with M4 because it uses its own disk loader, maybe it would be possible to make a M4 version replacing the current loader with an exclusive one for M4.Let me know if there is anything I can do to help it a long.
No system/firmware is needed for sector read/writing from/to a dsk image with M4, so if it can fit ie. a romdos .dsk image (~800 KB), that should be easy to make low level loader for.
Post by: Neil79 on 01:19, 03 March 19
Post by: Rhino on 14:36, 03 March 19
Let me know if there is anything I can do to help it a long.Thanks!
No system/firmware is needed for sector read/writing from/to a dsk image with M4, so if it can fit ie. a romdos .dsk image (~800 KB), that should be easy to make low level loader for.
The Arnoldemu loader works with tracks/sectors, so it should be easy to adapt.I could also try to make a global record table with the internet connection.The first thing is to buy an M4, is it currently for sale?
Post by: VincentGR on 14:41, 03 March 19
Post by: Fessor on 22:33, 03 March 19
Post by: TotO on 22:56, 03 March 19
But why track/sector-loading? Why not a mass storage-friendly solution?May be, because the CPC is originaly a computer using a floppy disc drive? ;D
Post by: PuzCPC on 13:07, 04 March 19
And of course everything else is perfect!
PuzCPC
Post by: kawickboy on 13:22, 04 March 19
Post by: Rhino on 15:00, 05 March 19
But why track/sector-loading? Why not a mass storage-friendly solution?Track/sector is the classic method of loading faster and get more capacity on disks, as well as flexibility to make better use of memory and other advantages such as being able to play music while loading.
Post by: GUNHED on 15:44, 05 March 19
About the format, use a 3.5" and you can get up to 700-800 KB. IMHO for a flipper that's enough. It doesn't use streaming VIds or so.
I'm looking forward to a nice an polished release. :) :) :)
Post by: TotO on 19:47, 05 March 19
Next, it is fine if a 80 tracks version allows to not turn the floppy disc to play the game.
A bonus if the game is released later in "files format", to run from any mass storage.
Post by: roudoudou on 19:59, 05 March 19
Post by: TotO on 20:03, 05 March 19
i guess Chany will do the XMEM version ;DI though the same while I wrote my answer. :laugh:
Post by: Rhino on 22:51, 05 March 19
Please stay with discs, thats the native medium of the CPC (aside of tapes.... but brrr no!). So please don't expect that everybody is owning and using (predominantly) mass-storage solutions. Actually the only one working is the M4 card anyway. Even it over 500 (I guess) were sold there may be still people preferring real discs.Thanks!,
About the format, use a 3.5" and you can get up to 700-800 KB. IMHO for a flipper that's enough. It doesn't use streaming VIds or so.
I'm looking forward to a nice an polished release. :) :) :)
Yes, I think the disk version is mandatory, but alternative versions so that more people can run it on real hardware are always welcome.
On M4, it is also very attractive a global records table that increases competition between players from around the world.
Post by: LambdaMikel on 23:20, 05 March 19
Please stay with discs, thats the native medium of the CPC (aside of tapes.... but brrr no!). So please don't expect that everybody is owning and using (predominantly) mass-storage solutions. Actually the only one working is the M4 card anyway. Even it over 500 (I guess) were sold there may be still people preferring real discs.
I am a big fan of M4, but it seems there is one new firmware patch required for every game ;)
Without a proper disk controller the M4 is a no-go for me as a DSK emulator (I have tried to many standard DSK images that work perfectly fine on DDI3, Gotek Flash Floppy, HxC), that would not work on the M4.
So please stay with standard DSK. Of course there is nothing wrong about releasing an M4 compatible version, but it is a pitty that this is required for so many games.
Post by: Targhan on 01:26, 06 March 19
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Yes, I think the disk version is mandatory, but alternative versions so that more people can run it on real hardware
Isn't it paradoxal? :)
The discussion is interesting, but I think the day games are not produced on disk anymore will be a sad day!
Post by: robcfg on 08:30, 06 March 19
For me having to search for the external drive and its psu makes almost impossible to play a game given my limited time to do so. In that case, I’ll play on an emulator, but then again I’ll miss the real experience.
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 14:09, 06 March 19
it is also very attractive a global records table that increases competition between players from around the world.I presume the "online leaderboard" will not be assessible to development/evaluation personnel!
I can max-out the score on all four tables, so will be constantly on the top of that leaderboard! ^_^
Post by: TotO on 15:36, 06 March 19
I don’t think the discussion is whether to release the games on disk or not, but to use a format that allows them to run from mass storage devices.Better to be clear about a floppy version, as the subject has not been addressed while games are published on alternate media such as cartridges.. The format to run on mass storage devices is obvious: files into a folder (like on PC) and currently it looks to be not an option for this game but only an alternate solution to mount a DSK with the M4 from its SD card.
About the online "hall of fames", I hope we can access it from an Internet connexion using a bluetooth communication and its smartphone too. ;D
Post by: GUNHED on 18:20, 06 March 19
For me having to search for the external drive and its psu makes almost impossible to play a game given my limited time to do so. In that case, I’ll play on an emulator, but then again I’ll miss the real experience.What are you using? I ask because it may be of interest to software makers. :)
Post by: robcfg on 19:03, 06 March 19
It doesn't seem much, but when you're as short on time as me, finding all the pieces may take most of the time I could be playing.
Add to that the possible disk and drive errors.
I'd be happy having a physical disk edition, but for playing I would prefer to have it M4 compatible.
Post by: LambdaMikel on 20:07, 06 March 19
An external 3.5" disk drive, that of course need its own psu.
I'd be happy having a physical disk edition, but for playing I would prefer to have it M4 compatible.
Nobody suggested a pysical edition... people are suggesting to have standard DSK file containing the game.
Sure, there could be a "M4 installer version" that unpacks the DSK content onto mass storage on the M4.
But requires hardware driver...
The DSK file you put into your Flash Floppy Gotek or HxC or DDI3.
You can also (try to) mount a DSK file from your M4, but most standard DSK files don't work with the M4. Maybe a special M4 compatible DSK file for the game will do?
For the PSU, you don't need one. Even my 6128 doesn't get 12 V anymore, and the Flash Floppy Gotek gets its power from John's @ikonsgr (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=541) y cable 5 V to MOLEX splitter...
Never had a single drive error with my Gotek ;)
Post by: Rhino on 20:14, 06 March 19
I presume the "online leaderboard" will not be assessible to development/evaluation personnel!hehe, well, maybe you'll find a rival worthy of you :)
I can max-out the score on all four tables, so will be constantly on the top of that leaderboard! ^_^
I was even thinking of organizing contests according the global leaderboard...
Post by: robcfg on 21:32, 06 March 19
Quote from: LambdaMikel
Nobody suggested a pysical edition... people are suggesting to have standard DSK file containing the game.
Sure, there could be a "M4 installer version" that unpacks the DSK content onto mass storage on the M4.
But requires hardware driver...
There are plenty of reasons to choose a custom disk format, but if you can do with standard format disks, it would work for everyone.
Quote from: LambdaMikel
The DSK file you put into your Flash Floppy Gotek or HxC or DDI3.
If you have or you like modded machines, yes, they are nice solutions.
Quote from: LambdaMikel
You can also (try to) mount a DSK file from your M4, but most standard DSK files don't work with the M4. Maybe a special M4 compatible DSK file for the game will do?
As mentioned above, the format used for PD is the special one, not a regular amsdos format disk, which would be M4 compatible.
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For the PSU, you don't need one. Even my 6128 doesn't get 12 V anymore, and the Flash Floppy Gotek gets its power from John's @ikonsgr (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=541) y cable 5 V to MOLEX splitter...
Sure. If you don't use your original drive.
Quote from: LambdaMikel
Never had a single drive error with my Gotek
Neither me with my M4, plus I'm having a lot of fun with the Wi-Fi capability.
And please don't get me wrong, I appreciate your interest in finding alternative solutions but no way I'm going to have 3 or 4 different solutions, one for playing games, one for the Wi-Fi, another one for extra memory...
Certainly I could customise one of my CPCs to death but then again I think it would be easier not to use custom loaders.
That's a thing I like about the new cartridge formats, they are literally Plug'n'Play :D
Post by: TotO on 21:34, 06 March 19
That's a thing I like about the new cartridge formats, they are literally Plug'n'Play :DPeoples unliked the same idea 5 years ago. So much time lost! ;D
Post by: robcfg on 21:36, 06 March 19
Peoples unliked the same idea 5 years ago. So much time lost! ;D
While I'm sure many liked the Plus range with the cartridge port... :picard:
Post by: LambdaMikel on 21:47, 06 March 19
Telling people what they should be using or not doesn't roll very well with many people... everybody has his/her own ideas about a setup. Declaring that one expansion card is "the one and only and you shall not have any expansion card besides it" is a bit... well... :D
Post by: robcfg on 21:56, 06 March 19
It's just that not having PD in a M4 compatible format will make me less likely to play it because of my circumstances, nothing else.
Post by: LambdaMikel on 22:02, 06 March 19
Post by: robcfg on 22:12, 06 March 19
Should it work on a M4 via a dsk file, then it should work too on a Gotek, DDI3 or HxC.
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 22:20, 06 March 19
we are forgetting something important, we need the approval of Rebellion !!! :o
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 14:46, 07 March 19
hehe, well, maybe you'll find a rival worthy of you :)Maybe in two years of constant play! ^_^
Post by: CraigsBar on 12:19, 15 March 19
Maybe in two years of constant play! ^_^I just hope the rest of us get a chance to try 😔
Post by: ivarf on 02:09, 17 March 19
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 13:19, 17 March 19
I hope the rest of us get a chance to buy the gameRhino has already said it's a free game; I'd question anyone charging real-world monies for it! ^_^
Post by: robcfg on 13:44, 17 March 19
Post by: ASiC on 14:12, 17 March 19
Also, installing on M4 SD would be ideal.
I'm a supporter for system expansions, as long as the core remains the same:
eg ACA500Plus is acceptable, Vampire is NOT! ;)
Post by: ivarf on 15:10, 17 March 19
Rhino has already said it's a free game; I'd question anyone charging real-world monies for it! ^_^
It would be so nice to have this official game in a high quality box on the shelf (that is after two years of heavy playing)
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 15:50, 17 March 19
Converted to the AY-chip by McKlain and RaFT/TRSI.
Post by: Rhino on 20:34, 17 March 19
We hope Pinball Dreams will only be the first of more projects we can have the pleasure of working with him on, as well as the rest of the collaborators. In them is the true spirit that makes the CPC scene so great!
¡Gracias Amigos!
- BG-
Post by: Nich on 21:06, 17 March 19
Rhino has already said it's a free game; I'd question anyone charging real-world monies for it! ^_^
I think if any physical version were to be released, then Rebellion would probably want some of the profits.
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 15:16, 18 March 19
On behalf of all Batman Group members, we would like to express our sincere thanks to SuTeKH/Epyteor for his great work on the soundtrack, as well as testing and involvement in the whole project. There have been several years of tireless collaboration in which we were not only surprised by the immense quality of his work, but the dedication and enthusiasm with which always encouraged us to finish the project.Thank you, Rhino, for those gracious words, but McKlain devised ALL of the "intro instruments" that produced the "intro", "menu" and "selection" tunes (with a LOT of help from RaFT/TRSI!)
We hope Pinball Dreams will only be the first of more projects we can have the pleasure of working with him on, as well as the rest of the collaborators. In them is the true spirit that makes the CPC scene so great!
RaFT/TRSI devised ALL of the table instruments and ALL of the table SFXs. The only thing I did was copy Olof Gustaffson's (Blaizer/TSL) notes from the Amiga modules (freely downloadable from AMP)... note by note! RaFT/TRSI then corrected the notes and volumes for everything making what I did sound correct on a REAL Amstrad CPC!
My contribution to this "mammoth 8-Bit project" was small, but rewarding, and I am honoured that Rhino wanted me to be a part of the whole PINBALL DREAMS process and, yes, I would be more than happy to help (especially with testing) for any/all BGGames projects in the future!
Post by: Rhino on 16:13, 22 March 19
Thank you, Rhino, for those gracious words, but McKlain devised ALL of the "intro instruments" that produced the "intro", "menu" and "selection" tunes (with a LOT of help from RaFT/TRSI!)Great!, because we're finishing up a showable preview of our next BG project and it'll be good to have you. We'll soon announce it.
RaFT/TRSI devised ALL of the table instruments and ALL of the table SFXs. The only thing I did was copy Olof Gustaffson's (Blaizer/TSL) notes from the Amiga modules (freely downloadable from AMP)... note by note! RaFT/TRSI then corrected the notes and volumes for everything making what I did sound correct on a REAL Amstrad CPC!
My contribution to this "mammoth 8-Bit project" was small, but rewarding, and I am honoured that Rhino wanted me to be a part of the whole PINBALL DREAMS process and, yes, I would be more than happy to help (especially with testing) for any/all BGGames projects in the future!
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 20:19, 22 March 19
Post by: zeropolis79 on 23:42, 22 March 19
I think if any physical version were to be released, then Rebellion would probably want some of the profits.Well, if somone can put it onto a real 3" disc for me (naturally I'd supply the disc and return postage), I'd be very thankful.
Post by: NiNxPe on 06:49, 27 March 19
Post by: robcfg on 08:41, 27 March 19
With the Plus palette it looks more 16-bit than ever!
Post by: Gryzor on 09:27, 27 March 19
Post by: DanyPPC on 10:17, 27 March 19
So the Plus version could use hardware scrolling too ;)
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 15:10, 27 March 19
Post by: Phantomz on 15:55, 27 March 19
It would be nice to get this on cartridge in the future if possible. ;)
Post by: kawickboy on 16:11, 27 March 19
Post by: Rhino on 22:51, 27 March 19
...and the Plus version :A very faithful result to the original! Using the plus cartridge the boards could be 320 pixels wide instead of 256 and use sprites to add more colors and resolution to some parts, which visually could be even better.
Post by: kawickboy on 10:15, 28 March 19
Post by: CraigsBar on 22:09, 23 April 19
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Post by: Targhan on 23:24, 23 April 19
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I kept seeing it run on a cpc at Revision... Arrrrrrggghhhh.Well I kept *playing* it at Revision :). Very good game indeed :).
Post by: CraigsBar on 03:40, 24 April 19
Well I kept *playing* it at Revision :). Very good game indeed :).I mean you could clearly see it on the twitch stream.... Very kewl! (Sir Garbage) Truck mentioned it a couple of times in commentary too.
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Post by: Rhino on 20:09, 24 April 19
Well I kept *playing* it at Revision :) . Very good game indeed :) .Thanks! Btw, do you know if anyone's gonna do a party review/report? I found the revival of the Amiga scene particularly interesting, or at least the competition was very lively.
And congratulations on the Third Kind award! Very impressive!
Post by: Targhan on 00:38, 25 April 19
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And congratulations on the Third Kind award! Very impressive!I only did the sound effects, the hardest work was provided by Hicks and Beb!
Post by: Phantomz on 17:01, 25 April 19
Any more news on a release date? I kept seeing it run on a cpc at Revision... Arrrrrrggghhhh.
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I keep checking to see if there is any news myself. ::)
Looking forward to playing it. ;D
Post by: CraigsBar on 18:51, 25 April 19
I keep checking to see if there is any news myself. ::)Aren't we all, Phantomz, aren't we all!
Looking forward to playing it. ;D
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Post by: Rhino on 14:58, 27 April 19
Any more news on a release date? I kept seeing it run on a cpc at Revision... Arrrrrrggghhhh.There is no news yet, but seeing what happened with Super Mario on C64, we will have to keep waiting...
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Post by: Kris on 21:17, 11 August 19
Here is a Plus version of the intro gfx, just to bump this thread :)
Post by: zeropolis79 on 18:31, 14 August 19
Aren't we all, Phantomz, aren't we all!Very jealous they let Xyphoe and Novabug review it..
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Post by: Rhino on 15:07, 20 August 19
Still no news ?Hi!The matter is at a standstill during the summer holidays, but we hope that shortly afterwards we will be able to announce some news.
Here is a Plus version of the intro gfx, just to bump this thread :)
Thank you for your interest!
Post by: Gryzor on 15:09, 20 August 19
Post by: zeropolis79 on 12:47, 25 August 19
Post by: Rhino on 20:27, 15 September 19
Post by: VincentGR on 20:29, 15 September 19
Post by: kawickboy on 20:32, 15 September 19
Next year so. How will the game distribute the game ?
Post by: vasilisk on 20:44, 15 September 19
Post by: Gryzor on 20:55, 15 September 19
Post by: Gryzor on 21:33, 15 September 19
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 22:08, 15 September 19
Post by: HAL 6128 on 22:16, 15 September 19
I like the words "underrated computer EVER". It's so exciting to see what is done and will be done by clever programming done by clever people.
Post by: Maniac on 23:36, 15 September 19
...I CAN’T WAIT!
Wahoooo!
Post by: Token on 23:55, 15 September 19
Post by: SkulleateR on 01:52, 16 September 19
I´m playing the demo again and again and was hoping to see a release, can´t wait for it .... only two weeks left ! WHOOOHOOO :o :P ;D
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 08:25, 16 September 19
Seriously though, it's great to hear this is finally going to be released to the community!
A huge congratulations to all the developers and testers; this is truly an 8-bit masterpiece! And, finally, thanks for putting up with my alcoholic ramblings and rantings over the past three or so years!
Forward to Vespertino?
Post by: Nich on 22:35, 16 September 19
Seriously though, it's great to hear this is finally going to be released to the community!
A huge congratulations to all the developers and testers; this is truly an 8-bit masterpiece! And, finally, thanks for putting up with my alcoholic ramblings and rantings over the past three or so years!
What if... BG Games are actually releasing a different game? Is there anywhere in that video that explicitly states they are going to release Pinball Dreams? ::)
Post by: vasilisk on 22:43, 16 September 19
What if... BG Games are actually releasing a different game? Is there anywhere in that video that explicitly states they are going to release Pinball Dreams? ::)
We are in the pinball dreams thread. So logically this is the one. ;D
Post by: Gryzor on 16:34, 17 September 19
Post by: MaV on 20:31, 17 September 19
Therefore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404&t=34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404&t=34)
(Click on the link below the video to jump to the appropriate scene.)
Post by: MaV on 20:39, 17 September 19
https://i.imgur.com/xqEmwsG.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/xqEmwsG.jpg)
Post by: Gryzor on 21:13, 17 September 19
Post by: MaV on 22:11, 17 September 19
Post by: Nich on 22:25, 17 September 19
You think they'd troll us like that with that soundtrack?
I was being facetious. ;)
However, come the 1st of October, BG Games could unveil... a platform game based around the Mario demo that @Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174) previewed a couple of years ago?!
Post by: VincentGR on 22:27, 17 September 19
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 21:17, 19 September 19
What if... BG Games are actually releasing a different game? Is there anywhere in that video that explicitly states they are going to release Pinball Dreams? ::)Is there anything in my original post that explicitly states they are going to release Pinball Dreams? ::)
Post by: Gryzor on 21:41, 19 September 19
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 06:58, 20 September 19
I don't think he was replying specifically to your post tho...This is always a possibility, yes! But, my post was quoted, so...
... but, I can see where you read something different to me... my apologies! ^_^
Anyway, I was just adding to the overall intrigue of BGGames' ambiguous Yootoob video!
We'll all find out soon, I guess! And being Batman Group (BGGames) it will be brilliant!
Post by: ivarf on 21:22, 25 September 19
Post by: Token on 17:44, 30 September 19
Post by: SkulleateR on 15:52, 01 October 19
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 16:41, 01 October 19
Post by: SkulleateR on 16:43, 01 October 19
Post by: Gryzor on 16:53, 01 October 19
Post by: SkulleateR on 17:13, 01 October 19
F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
My F5 already gave up and broke :P :laugh:
Post by: ldaneels on 19:21, 01 October 19
Post by: VincentGR on 19:28, 01 October 19
connects the autofire chip to F5.
Post by: GUNHED on 20:37, 01 October 19
However, come the 1st of October, BG Games could unveil... a platform game based around the Mario demo that @Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174) previewed a couple of years ago?!Do we have a link (for somebody having no facebook, twitter...)?
Post by: SkulleateR on 21:01, 01 October 19
Do we have a link (for somebody having no facebook, twitter...)?
you can watch it live on twitch, link to channel is in the post above ;)
Post by: GUNHED on 21:01, 01 October 19
Post by: SkulleateR on 21:06, 01 October 19
Sadly I can't, but hope for a Youtube Vid later on. :)
hmm, not at home at 22:00 ? guess you can also watch all streams from him on twitch again after they have been broadcasted
Post by: roudoudou on 21:46, 01 October 19
Sadly I can't, but hope for a Youtube Vid later on. :)with subtitles maybe :P
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 23:26, 01 October 19
https://twitter.com/BATMAN_GROUP/status/1179130726710730752
Donwload !!! :o :o https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=83118 (https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=83118)
Post by: VincentGR on 23:27, 01 October 19
Post by: vasilisk on 23:29, 01 October 19
Post by: teopl on 23:41, 01 October 19
Post by: VincentGR on 23:45, 01 October 19
The brown one has fallen.
Post by: zeropolis79 on 23:50, 01 October 19
Post by: SkulleateR on 23:50, 01 October 19
Post by: robcfg on 00:07, 02 October 19
I'll play on my CPC this weekend. I think on emulators the input lag is quite noticeable.
Post by: VincentGR on 00:09, 02 October 19
Congratulations!
I'll play on my CPC this weekend. I think on emulators the input lag is quite noticeable.
This game deserves to run on the real thing, crt scrolling and no input lag.
Post by: Trixster on 00:21, 02 October 19
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 00:32, 02 October 19
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Post by: slugman on 01:15, 02 October 19
Post by: 00WReX on 05:59, 02 October 19
Simply awesome. Well done to all involved. ;)
The scrolling is so smooth, and the gameplay and music/sounds is all excellent.
Cheers,
Shane
Post by: mr_lou on 07:42, 02 October 19
That's just not right.
Creating this production deserves something.
I strongly encourage everyone to donate to the group.
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 08:47, 02 October 19
Is it possible to run on CPC 464 and SF3 card? I am getting the message that 128K is required...
i think yes, edit SF3.INI
Code: [Select]
*CPC 464 select external RAM hack
CPC464=TOTO
Post by: kawickboy on 09:32, 02 October 19
Post by: roudoudou on 09:36, 02 October 19
about me i'm enjoying tunes while they are playing
Post by: Loki on 10:34, 02 October 19
Post by: Carnivius on 10:41, 02 October 19
Post by: Hwikaa on 12:57, 02 October 19
I just played the game on real hardware. With CRTC 2. And I just can't believe it. The game is so smooth, so fast, so fluid, so rewarding! Musics and graphics are awesome! Bold choices when it comes to colors, by the way.
It's literally flawless. Impressive. Perfect.
And I'm not even into pinball games.
Great job, Batman Group!
Post by: Rhino on 13:30, 02 October 19
I hope you have fun and make good scores!
About the license, we talked about it yesterday in the live show we did with Juanje on Twitch. https://www.twitch.tv/juanjel (https://www.twitch.tv/juanjel)
At first everything was going well, they sent us the Rebellion logo and a copyright message to put in the intro, but it got complicated when Philip left Rebellion, even so he kept in touch with people from inside and everything went on, but those contacts also left Rebellion and finally we only had an email to talk to them directly, they never answered us, so after almost a year of waiting, we were in the starting box and we decided to resign.
We never got no as answer, quite the opposite, but it's a matter that doesn't interest them at all and for that very reason I hope we don't have any problems.
Post by: Gryzor on 14:24, 02 October 19
Oops yes, I missed a whole page of posts. Nevermind.
Post by: Token on 14:46, 02 October 19
Post by: Lazy Dude on 15:21, 02 October 19
Did I miss something? Where is it mentioned it's not licensed?
Oops yes, I missed a whole page of posts. Nevermind.
What's that you say? The licence is in the post? Oh well that's ok then :D
Post by: zeropolis79 on 15:36, 02 October 19
Thanks to all, fellas!Typically, I'm at my old man's for his birthday and my 6128 Plus (with Gotek) is 100 miles away so I'm trying to use WinAPE to try it out.. But what I've seen so far, I really like.
I hope you have fun and make good scores!
Many thanks for all the hard work.
Post by: Lazy Dude on 15:40, 02 October 19
Hmmm... download game, open wine, play game till wine runs out!
Post by: villain on 17:08, 02 October 19
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Post by: Xifos on 20:00, 02 October 19
Perfect.
EDIT : i scored 20 millions at steel wheel !
:P
Post by: Schneckenwerk on 20:53, 02 October 19
8) YEAH! 8)
ENDLICH PINBALL DREAMS!
SO GUT!
This version is PERFECT!
Thank you so much, BATMAN GROUP!
Post by: villain on 22:27, 02 October 19
I scored 5 millions at nightmare ! ;)
Perfect.
EDIT : i scored 20 millions at steel wheel !
:P
Far away from 20.000.000. Not ready for a highscore compo...
Post by: GUNHED on 00:07, 03 October 19
Post by: rzookol on 00:15, 03 October 19
Post by: Maniac on 00:37, 03 October 19
Simply stunning!! Even though I played the demo to death the full version just stirs up so many memories of the Amiga version that I can't quite believe I'm playing it on my 6128 Plus! As with that version Beat Box is my favourite table because I seem to be able to score better on it!
Special thanks for supporting an M4 version of the disk image! Even though I have a HxC floppy emulator being able to transfer to the M4 and start from the PC is a major boon! And loading is so fast!
Love it!
Post by: Syncmaster319 on 01:21, 03 October 19
You have done right by the original.
Post by: robcfg on 11:01, 03 October 19
Super smooth and responsive. A true delight!
I managed 66314731 on the Nightmare table :D
Post by: Skunkfish on 12:04, 03 October 19
Post by: Xifos on 12:07, 03 October 19
I managed 66314731 on the Nightmare table :DOk i lost.
But you should have seen me 25 years ago on pinball fantasies ! :D
Post by: Rhino on 16:53, 03 October 19
I managed 66314731 on the Nightmare table :DAnybody up reach 100 million? :D
Post by: Rhino on 16:55, 03 October 19
Hi, thanks for the release.I have one question. Is the Plus version somewhat included or this release contains only normal version?We haven't made a special version for the plus, sorry.
Post by: VincentGR on 16:56, 03 October 19
Post by: Loki on 01:31, 04 October 19
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48839296306_e8db198681_o.jpg)
Post by: grouik1er on 11:32, 04 October 19
https://soundcloud.com/jonah-tasteful-mr-ship/sets/pinball-dreams-cpc-full-soundtrack (https://soundcloud.com/jonah-tasteful-mr-ship/sets/pinball-dreams-cpc-full-soundtrack)
Post by: Rhino on 14:23, 04 October 19
Amazingly (for me) I've hit the 100 million mark - 144,971,756! So kinda had to share this, athough if you get the super jackpot it's not too difficult to score highly on Nightmare. Still.....
Wow, so Loki has the world record?
Post by: GUNHED on 14:38, 04 October 19
We haven't made a special version for the plus, sorry.Kind of you already unlocked the Plus features for the CPC already. Smooth scrolling, smooth sprites. Nice sound, great colors. Maybe a Plus version would only add few new features. If this game runs on a Plus, probably lot's of people would say "Look, it only works with the Plus", but it's for CPC. :)
Post by: villain on 20:12, 04 October 19
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Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 09:38, 05 October 19
Spoiler: show
There are other little things that help scores... but... I think most people would like to find those out for themselves!
@Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174); is there going to be an online leaderboard for M4 owners? It would be great to see Amstrad players battling for top spot! ^_^
Post by: Rhino on 17:23, 05 October 19
@Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174); is there going to be an online leaderboard for M4 owners? It would be great to see Amstrad players battling for top spot! ^_^We were thinking about doing it, but possible hacking and the loss of records could upset people, so in the end we did not.
Btw, there's already a longplay video showing a lot of things, what do you think about the skill of that guy?
https://youtu.be/yl_MSCpGC0M
Post by: VincentGR on 17:29, 05 October 19
Savestates or low framerate is used, maybe 5fps.
Nothing with the specific uploader, most of them are mentioning that in the description.
Post by: Lazy Dude on 22:58, 05 October 19
Also I notice 8 player game, good for when the gang are round.
This must be an AA rave for sure!
Post by: Nich on 02:12, 06 October 19
Typically, I'm at my old man's for his birthday and my 6128 Plus (with Gotek) is 100 miles away so I'm trying to use WinAPE to try it out.. But what I've seen so far, I really like.
I'm just back from a 2-week holiday with no Internet access, so I missed the big event - but I'll definitely be playing it on my CPC today! :D I'm certain I will not be disappointed!
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 15:58, 06 October 19
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Post by: ivarf on 14:44, 07 October 19
The Amiga's got a 4096-colour palette to choose from, so there's no need for them to go all-or-nothing on saturation. The CPC, on the other hand... :P
but later on I discovered the Sega Master system and Sega Dreamcast. They used strong clear colour, just like my Amstrad. The Master system has a palette of 64 colours and the Dreamcast has a palette of 16.7 million colours. I think the strong colours seen in many Sega games is by choice. 8)
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Post by: chinnyhill10 on 01:20, 08 October 19
Converting a few loading screens is one thing, to convert the full game is quite another. Why not shots of the actual game?
Time will tell. But we're used to big promises, a few screen shots, and then nothing happening sadly.
Look at this idiot who has to eat his words!
Post by: VincentGR on 02:02, 08 October 19
Look at this idiot who has to eat his words!
A man who admits something is a true man not an idiot.
Post by: mr_lou on 07:04, 08 October 19
Post by: TotO on 10:38, 08 October 19
That kind of color choice is very typical in many Megadrive games too, yep. Sonic series is a great example, but there are many many others :) .The colours are flashy because the RGB palette bit-depth. It is more a no choice than a choice, on Megadrive too (8 red, 8 green, 8 blue) because it was limited to 512 instead of 4096 shades of colours to save the internal CRAM and embed the SMS retro-compatibility (display and sound) instead. >:(
Post by: VincentGR on 11:06, 08 October 19
The colours are flashy because the RGB palette bit-depth. It is more a no choice than a choice, on Megadrive too (8 red, 8 green, 8 blue) because it was limited to 512 instead of 4096 shades of colours to save the internal CRAM and embed the SMS retro-compatibility (display and sound) instead. >:(
MD2 had a 12bit palette and guess what, no one utilized it ;D
Compatibility issues would be devastating for old users.
And as far as I remember by reading a magazine, it also had an extra chip.
Dunno if this was just a rumor and can't remember what it could do.
Post by: TotO on 12:04, 08 October 19
MD2 had a 12bit palette and guess what, no one utilized it ;DI doubt about that. Only 9bit palette too, sadly.
Compatibility issues would be devastating for old users.And as far as I remember by reading a magazine, it also had an extra chip. Dunno if this was just a rumor and can't remember what it could do.9bit on MD are ---- -bbb -ggg -rrr and a compatible 12bit is ---- bbbb gggg rrrr so no compatibility problems for old games I think.
The new MD2 chip is to embed more circuits into one to save money and design. No extra... (except the audio DAC resolution)
Post by: ASiC on 13:05, 08 October 19
You must do a public apology video on your channel, Bill Clinton style :P :P
Look at this idiot who has to eat his words!
Post by: ivarf on 13:35, 08 October 19
The colours are flashy because the RGB palette bit-depth. It is more a no choice than a choice, on Megadrive too (8 red, 8 green, 8 blue) because it was limited to 512 instead of 4096 shades of colours to save the internal CRAM and embed the SMS retro-compatibility (display and sound) instead. >:(
Yeaaaah to the flashy colours! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Meeeehhh to the plus colours and shades in brown and grey. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Thats how I feel. Do anyone agree?
Post by: TotO on 13:37, 08 October 19
We are not speaking about the same thing. :-\ ;)
Yeaaaah to the flashy colours! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Meeeehhh to the plus colours and shades in brown and grey. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Thats how I feel. Do anyone agree?
Post by: ivarf on 13:46, 08 October 19
We are not speaking about the same thing. :-\ ;)
Maybe, but I am thankful that most plus games games still uses the strong saturated Sega/Amstrad colours.
On another note, it's so great to see that this game was released. I still feel an urge or even a need for supporting Rhino/Batman Group by Paetron...
Post by: robcfg on 23:05, 08 October 19
Post by: VincentGR on 23:24, 08 October 19
I'd like to ask @Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174) about the BG logo animation at the beginning, as I'm mesmerized by how fluent it is.
Two friends keep asking me this since it was released.
I told them that this is pure sorcery...
Post by: Skunkfish on 01:17, 09 October 19
It reminds me a little of the spinning Batman logo from the Batman Forever demo, only that one didn't scale its size on the fly. I guess a similar technique is used?
Two friends keep asking me this since it was released.
I told them that this is pure sorcery...
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 02:54, 09 October 19
You must do a public apology video on your channel, Bill Clinton style :P :P
Thursday night!
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 02:56, 09 October 19
The colours are flashy because the RGB palette bit-depth.
Important to note that when played on a CRT the colours are far less garish as the case with all CPC games. And the game makes the point at least twice that original hardware is needed. Which presumably also means a CRT as well.
Post by: mr_lou on 07:50, 09 October 19
Important to note that when played on a CRT the colours are far less garish as the case with all CPC games. And the game makes the point at least twice that original hardware is needed. Which presumably also means a CRT as well.
Or at least make sure you get all 50 fps. In my experience a plain scart cable doesn't do this on a LED screen for some reason, though people tells me it should, I'm just not seeing it.
But if you use a Framemeister or alike, to make sure all 50 fps are shown in sync with the display, then that'll be good too I think.
EDIT: Though come to think of it, the Framemeister probably won't work with the screenmode used. I'll do a test when I find time.
Post by: roudoudou on 09:16, 09 October 19
My monitors are modern CRT TV so the colors are still flashy with a good contrast (and i like it ;D )
Important to note that when played on a CRT the colours are far less garish as the case with all CPC games. And the game makes the point at least twice that original hardware is needed. Which presumably also means a CRT as well.
Post by: ivarf on 12:38, 09 October 19
Thursday night!
I hope you have a Amstrad CPC colour monitor there too. I am unsure how your screen grabbing gear will handle Pinball Dreams. I hope it will look great. As always, I am looking forward to your next show
Post by: VincentGR on 12:46, 09 October 19
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 17:12, 09 October 19
Or at least make sure you get all 50 fps. In my experience a plain scart cable doesn't do this on a LED screen for some reason, though people tells me it should, I'm just not seeing it.
Captured at 50fps, I have one frame of CPC animation for every frame captured. So as far as that goes I'm good.
Post by: mr_lou on 17:54, 09 October 19
Captured at 50fps, I have one frame of CPC animation for every frame captured. So as far as that goes I'm good.
Then you just gotta make sure you watch said 50 fps video on a 50hz (compatible) screen rather than the usual 60hz PC monitor.
Post by: VincentGR on 19:57, 09 October 19
Well if I know one game in my life, then this is it.
Colours are very very similar to the Amiga if they are both on a CRT TV, don't let emulators fool you.
BG fixed a cute bug that was on the Amiga.
When you hold down arrow and let it go before the ball touched the spring, the ball was still ejected.
There is no such thing on the CPC.
I see minor differences that are not related to the main gameplay core like for instance when the ball sits on that triangle bumper reacts better on the CPC.
Also Rhino constructed a Blitter in software if you know what I mean :o
Post by: Rhino on 00:38, 10 October 19
Just to add to what VincentGR said that I have to admit that there were times when I also had doubts about the feasibility of the project, so I think your reaction was natural and sincere, which is something to be thankful for :)
A man who admits something is a true man not an idiot.
Post by: Rhino on 00:43, 10 October 19
I'd like to ask @Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174) about the BG logo animation at the beginning, as I'm mesmerized by how fluent it is.You could say it's our old CRTC running some 3D CRTC-FX hehe :D
Post by: VincentGR on 10:33, 10 October 19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCA6psxb-7U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCA6psxb-7U)
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 22:25, 10 October 19
Just released this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUXfN8_hJ4
Post by: Nich on 13:29, 12 October 19
Just released this.
I'd love to know what your rationale is for stating that the CPC has no hardware scrolling (fast forward to 3:31 in the video). ::)
EDIT: Immediately after posting this, I noticed the video response below from @chinnyhill10 (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=984) on YouTube. I am not convinced by his arguments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFG-u4DyhL4
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 15:03, 12 October 19
I'd love to know what your rationale is for stating that the CPC has no hardware scrolling (fast forward to 3:31 in the video). ::)
EDIT: Immediately after posting this, I noticed the video response below from @chinnyhill10 (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=984) on YouTube. I am not convinced by his arguments.
If the CPC has hardware scrolling as most general users would understand it, why would Amstrad bother to build hardware scrolling as general users would understand it into the Plus?
Nobody on a C64 ever had to write their own scrolling routine did they? While we know there is LIMITED ability to do certain things, nobody else actually cares because all they see is jerky scrolling, games that scroll 8 pixels at a time or that effect where everything pauses while the screen scrolls smoothly at 50fps as you see in Roland In The Caves, Rig Attack, etc.
I know I'll be doubled down on, but I don't actually care. All I'm concerned with is presenting Pinball Dreams as the best possible game doing marvellous things and by very talented coders on a platform that should not be able to do this stuff if you followed the rulebook. If people want a CPC superuser echo chamber, my channel isn't it. You have to talk to a wider audience in terms they understand.
As regards Pinball Dreams, why I am trying to say is "The laws of aerodynamics say the bumblebee cannot fly, but it can."
That's my last word on the matter.
Post by: robcfg on 15:18, 12 October 19
I don´t understand what your rant's about, but for me, the CPC clearly has hardware scrolling, as the CRTC chip does hardware scrolling.
Limited, yes. Not so easy to use, yes. But definitely there. MSX1 has also jerky character scrolling. And I bet that most C64 users didn't know or care about the hardware scroll capabilities as most just used to play with it and not to code complex stuff. And the C64 and MSX are know also for the wild hacks they do.
Also, all hardware scrolls come with tradeoffs. In that sense the CPC is not different.
I get that the hardware scroll capabilities where not in the mind of the CPC designers, but again, the CRTC allows for it.
I'd like to point out that the problem of different revisions of chips is not Amstrad exclusive. Atari had several revisions of the CTIA and GTIA chips on the same computer models, so programmers had to check for them too.
On the PCW side of things, ironically, the CPC has a more text-oriented display as the PCW. On the CPC, the video memory is organized in character block rows, while on the PCW it is linear bitmapped, so actually it's easier to write a game on the PCW. Not to mention the roller ram which in conjunction with the massive amount of memory, allows for nice scrolls. As with the CPC, most probably this is an unintended consequence of the design.
Finally, on why this wonderful developments where not possible at the time, there are several factors. One is the commercial release schedule. Come on! Two weeks to port R-Type? That gives time for nothing. Take away that pressure and you see what could have been done.
Another one is documentation access. Now you only have to type 6845 Datasheet on Google to get it, while I don't know how I would have obtained that back in the days.
I cannot see the intensive use of the CRTC as a hack. People know the chip much more in detail than in the 80´s and take advantage of what can do.
There's no magic to it, only hard work, dedication and inspiration.
Edit:
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As regards Pinball Dreams, why I am trying to say is "The laws of aerodynamics say the bumblebee cannot fly, but it can."Turns out, the Bumblebee is not breaking any physics law, it's just people didn't understand what was happening there...
Edit 2:
One last thing. It's impossible to fill the whole screen using software, because of the size of the video memory and the speed of execution. Without hardware scrolling Pinball Dreams would not work. That is the demonstration that the CPC has indeed hardware scrolling. It's not Amiga/Megadrive hardware scroll, but it is definitely hardware scroll.
Post by: ivarf on 16:03, 12 October 19
There you go on the real beast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCA6psxb-7U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCA6psxb-7U)
Amazing how much better it looks on a real Amstrad CRT. Thank you!
Post by: TMR on 19:52, 12 October 19
Nobody on a C64 ever had to write their own scrolling routine did they?Sorry Chinny, they did write their own routines and indeed still do because the C64's hardware scrolling isn't really what you think it is... there are "undocumented features" in the VIC-II discovered by demo coders which can be (ab)used to scroll the screen in a hurry but they're not commonly used in games - Mayhem In Monsterland or the Fred's Back series are relatively rare examples of VSP and AGSP scrolling respectively - and the two hardware scroll registers only move the playfield a distance of eight pixels before the programmer's code has to get involved to shunt memory about.
Post by: villain on 19:59, 12 October 19
Post by: andycadley on 00:37, 13 October 19
However, most people's definition of hardware scrolling at the time meant something that would allow for smooth pixel based scrolling. In that regard the CPC really doesn't qualify, it's display was more oriented around scrolling a screen full of text - which it can do incredibly well. It's not really until the Plus models augmented that with pixel offset scrolling (which combined with the existing function allowed for true fully hardware scrolling) that the CPC range gained something that would meet that more common definition.
I was quite surprised by how limited the C64 hardware assistance was. There was pixel shifting and you could move the display in RAM to help, but the colour memory is fixed and takes more than a frame for the CPU to shift that much data. It's actually interesting quite how many tricks were used to get around it. It's also why a lot of C64 shooters favour four colour backgrounds, it means you can avoid trying to scroll the colour RAM at all.
Post by: TMR on 01:32, 13 October 19
However, most people's definition of hardware scrolling at the time meant something that would allow for smooth pixel based scrolling. In that regard the CPC really doesn't qualify, it's display was more oriented around scrolling a screen full of text - which it can do incredibly well.
Isn't it fair to say the vertical scrolling used for Mission Genocide or Warhawk (or Pinball Dreams for that matter...!) is pixel accurate though...?
I was quite surprised by how limited the C64 hardware assistance was. There was pixel shifting and you could move the display in RAM to help, but the colour memory is fixed and takes more than a frame for the CPU to shift that much data.
That last bit isn't quite right, there's enough horsepower to shift over 1K per frame so more than enough for the colour RAM if the screen has been handled previously... but some of that processing grind tends to cordoned off for sprite multiplexing in busier games. Have a look at the Shoot 'Em Up Construction Kit though, that's doing colour-per-tile (so not quite as heavy a load as colour-per-character would be) and runs full screen with colour scrolling alongside multiplexed sprites.
Post by: andycadley on 11:25, 13 October 19
Isn't it fair to say the vertical scrolling used for Mission Genocide or Warhawk (or Pinball Dreams for that matter...!) is pixel accurate though...?By that point you're well into the realm of CRTC tricks though. It's messing with display timings to physically shift the position of the display on screen. Not really using intended functionality.
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That last bit isn't quite right, there's enough horsepower to shift over 1K per frame so more than enough for the colour RAM if the screen has been handled previously... but some of that processing grind tends to cordoned off for sprite multiplexing in busier games. Have a look at the Shoot 'Em Up Construction Kit though, that's doing colour-per-tile (so not quite as heavy a load as colour-per-character would be) and runs full screen with colour scrolling alongside multiplexed sprites.
I stand corrected, I'm going off the memory of how it was described to me.
Post by: TMR on 12:38, 13 October 19
By that point you're well into the realm of CRTC tricks though. It's messing with display timings to physically shift the position of the display on screen. Not really using intended functionality.I still hold that hardware scrolling is literally just scrolling being primarily handled by the hardware in some way, otherwise we get into a slightly silly situation where most of the machines previously declared as having "hardware scrolling" actually don't just because the term was ambiguous; the C64 and 264 series have hardware fine scrolling (there are tricks to do more in both cases but they're not officially documented as such or intended functionality) and the BBC Micro or Amstrad CPC have hardware coarse scrolling which further unintended register (ab)use or clever buffering can smooth up.
The only 8-bit computers I can think of right now with both coarse and fine hardware scrolling "out of the box" are the CPC Plus, the Commodore 128's 80 column display and the Atari 8-bit with only one predating the CPC but, since Atari's official documentation didn't come out until around two years after the machine itself, there's a potential question mark there as to if self modifying code overwriting the display lists' LMS commands counts as intended functionality or an unintended side effect that was later adopted. And yes, I'm playing Devil's advocaat there, but hopefully you see the point I'm rather clumsily making?
Post by: Rhino on 13:01, 13 October 19
Just released this.Thank you very much for the great review! I really appreciate all the love and technical editing work you put into your videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUXfN8_hJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUXfN8_hJ4)
Post by: Rhino on 13:04, 13 October 19
If I understood this correctly, the BG had more than 8.000 downloads of PD until now. :o :o :oYes, over 8000 downloads in the first 10 days (only counting the ones downloaded from our server). We really didn't expect that much!
Post by: andycadley on 16:49, 13 October 19
I still hold that hardware scrolling is literally just scrolling being primarily handled by the hardware in some way, otherwise we get into a slightly silly situation where most of the machines previously declared as having "hardware scrolling" actually don't just because the term was ambiguous; the C64 and 264 series have hardware fine scrolling (there are tricks to do more in both cases but they're not officially documented as such or intended functionality) and the BBC Micro or Amstrad CPC have hardware coarse scrolling which further unintended register (ab)use or clever buffering can smooth up.Oh I do and entirely agree with what you're saying. But I can see Chinny's point that, in laymans terms at least, the C64 and Amiga had "hardware scrolling" - as in hardware dedicated to making the kinds of smooth scrolling seen in games possible to some degree, wheras computers like the CPC didn't, even if the hardware they did have was flexible enough that it could be pushed into doing things that weren't quite as intended. Which argument makes most sense to people is one of semantics and how strictly accurate you want to be.
The only 8-bit computers I can think of right now with both coarse and fine hardware scrolling "out of the box" are the CPC Plus, the Commodore 128's 80 column display and the Atari 8-bit with only one predating the CPC but, since Atari's official documentation didn't come out until around two years after the machine itself, there's a potential question mark there as to if self modifying code overwriting the display lists' LMS commands counts as intended functionality or an unintended side effect that was later adopted. And yes, I'm playing Devil's advocaat there, but hopefully you see the point I'm rather clumsily making?
Post by: ivarf on 16:57, 13 October 19
Oh I do and entirely agree with what you're saying. But I can see Chinny's point that, in laymans terms at least, the C64 and Amiga had "hardware scrolling" - as in hardware dedicated to making the kinds of smooth scrolling seen in games possible to some degree, wheras computers like the CPC didn't, even if the hardware they did have was flexible enough that it could be pushed into doing things that weren't quite as intended. Which argument makes most sense to people is one of semantics and how strictly accurate you want to be.
To make it simple:
The ZX Spectrum doesn't have hardware scrolling
The Amstrad CPC has rough hardware scrolling but with clever programming it can do fine hardware scrolling too
The C64 has fine hardware scrolling
Post by: TMR on 17:52, 13 October 19
Oh I do and entirely agree with what you're saying. But I can see Chinny's point that, in laymans terms at least, the C64 and Amiga had "hardware scrolling" - as in hardware dedicated to making the kinds of smooth scrolling seen in games possible to some degree, wheras computers like the CPC didn'tIt's not that I don't get that point, just that I find it uncomfortable to let the layman's version of the term slide without challenging it. If nothing else Chinny's understanding of what the C64 is doing seems to be off if he thinks nobody writes scroll routines, that seriously undersells what games like Turrican 2 are doing.
To make it simple:Add a similar caveat to the C64 about it being able to do coarse scrolling with clever programming - that's what Mayhem In Monsterland or the C64 preview of PD are doing - and bingo...
The ZX Spectrum doesn't have hardware scrolling
The Amstrad CPC has rough hardware scrolling but with clever programming it can do fine hardware scrolling too
The C64 has fine hardware scrolling
This thread derailing is starting to make me feel uncomfortable, so sorry to Rhino and BG Games for sticking my oar in like this, sorry to Chinny because I like you and love what you do and for anyone else affected by the points raised in my posts, a helpline is available... or just tell me to bog off, either or. =-)
Post by: robcfg on 18:19, 13 October 19
But as I said before, the math is there. The CPC cannot do a scroll like Pinball Dreams without hardware assistance, and that is not witchcraft, it’s hardware scrolling.
Post by: Rhino on 13:17, 14 October 19
It's not that I don't get that point, just that I find it uncomfortable to let the layman's version of the term slide without challenging it. If nothing else Chinny's understanding of what the C64 is doing seems to be off if he thinks nobody writes scroll routines, that seriously undersells what games like Turrican 2 are doing.There is nothing to be sorry about, debates are good and I think the knowledge you bring about the C64 is very interesting.
Add a similar caveat to the C64 about it being able to do coarse scrolling with clever programming - that's what Mayhem In Monsterland or the C64 preview of PD are doing - and bingo...
This thread derailing is starting to make me feel uncomfortable, so sorry to Rhino and BG Games for sticking my oar in like this, sorry to Chinny because I like you and love what you do and for anyone else affected by the points raised in my posts, a helpline is available... or just tell me to bog off, either or. =-)
Post by: Lone on 16:17, 14 October 19
Is it planned to release a cartridge version ?
That's mainly because I no longer use the floppy on my 6128+ (in fact, it's not even working), but the famous C4CPC.
And also because I would like to test it on my Raspberry pi 6128+ emulator....
Anyway, great work, it's awesome !
Post by: LambdaMikel on 19:06, 14 October 19
Hello
Is it planned to release a cartridge version ?
That's mainly because I no longer use the floppy on my 6128+ (in fact, it's not even working), but the famous C4CPC.
And also because I would like to test it on my Raspberry pi 6128+ emulator....
Anyway, great work, it's awesome !
You have a CPC Plus Cartridge Port on your Raspberry PI Emulator?? ???
Can you share details please?
Post by: Lone on 21:18, 14 October 19
You have a CPC Plus Cartridge Port on your Raspberry PI Emulator?? ???
Can you share details please?
Nothing special : My Raspberry pi emulator load games from CPR (as I have no keyboard right now). So, Pinball dream on a CPR file would be great !
Post by: LambdaMikel on 21:19, 14 October 19
Post by: SyX on 23:13, 14 October 19
First, this thread should be a celebration of this amazing game by Batman Group :)
Syx point me to the Amstrad Basic itself, because it uses the hardware scroll capabilities when displacing the screen while listing a program.
But as I said before, the math is there. The CPC cannot do a scroll like Pinball Dreams without hardware assistance, and that is not witchcraft, it’s hardware scrolling.
... but, it is impossible not jump to this discussion about what is or not an hardware scroll. I made an small article about this matter in my blog (https://syx.neocities.org/posts/scroll_hardware.html), for trying not pollute more this thread ;)
In conclusion, Pinball Dreams for CPC is a masterpiece in every way.
The absolutely best 8 bit pinball game... if only PD was not an original Amiga game, i would say that is the best 16 bits pinball game too, hehehe.
For me, this is one of the best CPC games ever, making PD the state of the art of CPC gaming, every new CPC game should be compared to it.
And the best of it, it's that the only way of enjoying this game is over the real machine attached to a CRT monitor. You don't know how great is this game after you have seen how smooth and fast is everything over the real machine.
I have nothing more to say, this game speaks higher :)
Post by: sigh on 23:38, 14 October 19
Thank you.
Post by: Skunkfish on 16:21, 15 October 19
Still, is it technically feasible?
Post by: mr_lou on 17:35, 15 October 19
I'm still loving Pinball Dreams but I'm greedy and always want more.
You gotta give some to get some. ;)
How about a 3rd issue of that fanzine? :)
Post by: TMR on 00:24, 16 October 19
There is nothing to be sorry about, debates are good and I think the knowledge you bring about the C64 is very interesting.
Ta for that, I feel a lot better. =-)
As far as the "is it hardware scrolling" question goes, I found a Motorola data sheet for the MC6845 and it refers to one of the chip's features being "hardware scroll (paging by line or by character)" on the first page. That's reiterated later on under the heading "hardware scrolling" where it talks about using R12/R13 to change the screen's start address.
So if Motorola are calling it "hardware scrolling"...
Post by: Sykobee (Briggsy) on 12:45, 16 October 19
A fine intra-character horizontal scroll/delay (+ additional border-blanking support) would have had to be implemented in the video gate array. Which would have required a more capable gate array, which means more cost, and we know what Mr Sugar's opinion on costs were. We only got 27 colours because of a reliable tri-state output, the rumoured original planned 64 colours (presumably via external resistor ladder) wasn't possible due to pin count.
Many 8-bit smooth hardware scrolls are a combination of coarse and fine scrolling.
Might be a nice project for someone to take the existing GAL logic for CPC video output and copy it to a more capable PAL and add fine scrolling. Academic, of course, but could be fun.
Post by: ivarf on 13:27, 16 October 19
A fine intra-character horizontal scroll/delay (+ additional border-blanking support) would have had to be implemented in the video gate array. Which would have required a more capable gate array, which means more cost, and we know what Mr Sugar's opinion on costs were.I rather think it has to with time and the intended use of the machine. It's not like Amstrad expected to sell millions of these machines.
Many 8-bit smooth hardware scrolls are a combination of coarse and fine scrolling.Consoles maybe, but computers? The Amstrad plus computerrs have both. Any more 8 bit computers?
Post by: TMR on 17:55, 16 October 19
Yeah, but it's coarse hardware scrolling, by character.That's the thing, just using the term "hardware scrolling" doesn't specify if it's coarse, fine or a combination of the two so it can be either or both.
Consoles maybe, but computers? The Amstrad plus computerrs have both. Any more 8 bit computers?After the Plus series I can only think of two more; the Commodore 128's 80 column VDC display (all documented from the C128 PRG) and the Atari 8-bits, although Atari didn't release any official documentation for a couple of years so there's a Devil's advocaat question mark over if self modifying of a display list's LMS commands counts as a deliberate feature in the same way that vertical smooth scrolling on the CPC is up for debate.
Post by: robcfg on 18:15, 16 October 19
Post by: TMR on 10:57, 17 October 19
MSX, and Enterprise maybe?Not on the original models of MSX no, it doesn't have hardware-powered fine scrolling - a lot of games famously move their scrolling backgrounds a tile at a time - and coarse scrolling is being done by the Z80 too. From what I've read just now, the MSX gained fine vertical scrolling and what looks like coarse scrolling with the MSX2 and it gets the full set with the addition of fine horizontal hardware scrolling in 1988 with the MSX2+ in 1988 so that model and the later Turbo R which has the same video hardware are both a yes.
No idea either way about the Enterprise even after a little digging...?
Post by: TotO on 11:14, 17 October 19
It handle a 256 colours palette, but only 8 can be set by the user for "160x200" screen modes, the 8 others have to be chose from an existing set.
Watch the R-Type port in example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1VjO7mUV_s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1VjO7mUV_s)
Post by: Gryzor on 11:16, 17 October 19
Post by: Widukind on 13:06, 17 October 19
It's great to see such impressive software coming out for our CPCs, 35 years after we had bought one.
A word please to the hardware-scrolling matter: I'd say that when the hardware does the scrolling, it's called hardware-scrolling; and when your software does the scrolling by shifting bits, it's software-scrolling.
No matter what you have to do with the hardware, since programming hardware chips is always tricky.
Because a CPC's Z80 can't move the full-screen's bytes by software, when you see a (nearly) full-screen which is scrolling smoothly (50fps), it's hardware-scrolling.
After we studied Paul "Spindizzy" Shirley's amazing vertical pixel-wise hardware-scrolling in his game Mission Genocide, we programmed something similar for several parts of our megademo (http://memoryfull.net/prod.php?id=59) in 1989. Clearly we didn't shift any raster bytes by software but used the CPC's video-hardware to do the 50fps vertical scrolling: hence hardware-scrolling. And I suppose it's the same with Pinball-Dreams and similar games or demos. (In contrast to demos, in games the programmers usually need much more work in order to adjust the software-sprites to the hardware-offsets).
But this "software- or hardware-scrolling" controversial is just words. Actions matter more.
So back-on topic: Keep up the good work, Rhino. God bless, and all the best!
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 13:18, 17 October 19
Pinball Dreams Amiga-Falcon-SNES-CPC Opinion of an 11 year old girl
Post by: VincentGR on 13:51, 17 October 19
Smaller area, has to scroll left-right and the lazy physics :picard:
Atari needs a Falcon :picard2:
What happened there, they have obsession pinball on the STE.
The blitter routine was a nightmare from what I have red.
Well it is clear now that a Z80 can do the physics just fine ;D
Post by: Rhino on 16:08, 17 October 19
HelloThanks!
Is it planned to release a cartridge version ?
That's mainly because I no longer use the floppy on my 6128+ (in fact, it's not even working), but the famous C4CPC.
And also because I would like to test it on my Raspberry pi 6128+ emulator....
Anyway, great work, it's awesome !
Cartridge versions aren't in our plans right now, sorry.
Post by: Rhino on 16:11, 17 October 19
I'm still loving Pinball Dreams but I'm greedy and always want more. Would Pinball Fantasies be out of the question in the future? I know the tables are taller so perhaps memory might be an issue and there are additional flippers further up the tables at different angles which I guess may cause some difficulties....I believe Pinball Fantasies would be a good candidate to do it on cartridge so as to be able to include largest boards and the scoreboard animations.
Still, is it technically feasible?
Post by: norecess on 17:47, 17 October 19
Pinball Fantasies ... able to include largest boards@Rhino By "largest boards", do you have in mind "wider boards" to achieve plain full-screen (cf. R1=48) ? Such improvement would push the envelope even further !
Post by: robcfg on 18:06, 17 October 19
Post by: ivarf on 10:48, 20 October 19
It looks lovely, way better than on an emulator. This really is Atari ST quality on the humble Amstrad CPC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCA6psxb-7U&t (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCA6psxb-7U&t)
Chinnyvision review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUXfN8_hJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUXfN8_hJ4)
Americans try Pinball Dreams (and the Roland games)
https://youtu.be/m9GX0GjU2co?t=1467 (https://youtu.be/m9GX0GjU2co?t=1467)
11 year old review and comparison of versions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wfruXEucUQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wfruXEucUQ)
Amstrad and Amiga version running side by side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faDRc7R7a10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faDRc7R7a10)
Pinball Dreams live stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9gTXk38Ic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9gTXk38Ic)
Green screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAFiRBUeu4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAFiRBUeu4)
Download the game:
https://t.co/nAQuShB8A1 (https://t.co/nAQuShB8A1)
Post by: Rhino on 17:47, 22 October 19
@Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174) By "largest boards", do you have in mind "wider boards" to achieve plain full-screen (cf. R1=48) ? Such improvement would push the envelope even further !Well, I think it could be 384 pixels wide using almost all the first 64kb for video, but you'd see a very small portion of the table compared to the total and that's not good for gameplay, I think 320 pixels wide as the Amiga original would be more suitable.
Post by: norecess on 18:03, 22 October 19
So yes, R1=40 (vs. R1=32 like current version of PD) would be great, to remain close to the original.
But honestly, .. even if I have no doubts you can do it -- I believe you are better now to focus on Vespertino and other promising things you hide to us 8)
Post by: 40Crisis on 16:33, 26 October 19
Strange idea, isn't it ? :doh: I don't know if it can be useful to somebody but it worked for me on a CPC 6128
tape interface connected to the PC sound card with Wintzx.
I used Pelrun's tool dsk2cdt2disc to generate tape from dsk.
I modified it to had support for 10 sectors by track.
It comes in two flavours depending if you are
using a tape with motor stop control or not.
Be careful, it doesn't warn you before writing to disk.
So insert blank disk before loading tape.
Pinball dreams is an amazing piece of CPC software with perfect gameplay
Congratulations to Batman group.
Post by: siccoyote on 15:51, 13 November 19
Post by: Rhino on 15:16, 17 November 19
Pinball Dreams CPC reaches 12,000 downloads in the first month!
And to celebrate we have made a very limited physical edition to gift in gratitude to collaborators and friends who supported us during the development.
Thanks!
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 16:39, 17 November 19
Post by: VincentGR on 16:47, 17 November 19
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 16:57, 17 November 19
Post by: TotO on 18:46, 17 November 19
Post by: Rhino on 00:16, 18 November 19
Those physical copies look awesome! I understand that the game won´t be sold at all, right? These are just gifts for a few ones. I am asking because it would be great to be able to buy them :DWe've reserved some copies for tournaments and draws, so it's still possible to get some one.
Post by: Gryzor on 10:39, 18 November 19
Other than that, 12000? Wow. That's really impressive!
Post by: asertus on 11:26, 18 November 19
Post by: ivarf on 12:01, 18 November 19
https://twitter.com/BATMAN_GROUP/status/1196051966859862017 (https://twitter.com/BATMAN_GROUP/status/1196051966859862017)
Pinball Dreams CPC reaches 12,000 downloads in the first month!
And to celebrate we have made a very limited physical edition to gift in gratitude to collaborators and friends who supported us during the development.
Thanks!
I have pressed like, but I would have pressed like a thousand times if I could have bought this... Looks great
Post by: siccoyote on 13:09, 18 November 19
I understand the gesture but if you press like 1000 times it undoes your like. Now 1001 times...
I have pressed like, but I would have pressed like a thousand times if I could have bought this... Looks great
But yeah this package looks great, it would have been nice to buy it.
Post by: cngsoft on 16:54, 18 November 19
(http://cngsoft.no-ip.org/IMAGE_2019-11-16_01-19-08.PNG)
...to this...
(http://cngsoft.no-ip.org/IMAGE_2019-11-16_11-22-08.PNG)
...in a night's work! CRTC 1 only, however; CRTC types 0, 2, 3 and 4 will have to keep waiting :-( My most sincere congratulations to the authors for the 12000 downloads (and rising!)
Post by: ivarf on 22:10, 18 November 19
I understand the gesture but if you press like 1000 times it undoes your like. Now 1001 times...'
But yeah this package looks great, it would have been nice to buy it.
stupid is stupid does
You pressed like on my post according to the alert system
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 22:39, 18 November 19
We've reserved some copies for tournaments and draws, so it's still possible to get some one.Hahaha, maybe for somebody that is not me! :laugh: I love Pinbal Dreams like crazy, and videogames in general. However, I have never been a good player, quite the opposite I am afraid. People used to finish Bloodborne at level 90 and I leveled up to 160 to be able to beat it... :picard2: .
Post by: Rhino on 15:40, 21 November 19
Pinball Dreams is so stunning and inspiring that it drove me back to improving CPCEC. I went from this...Thanks!
(http://cngsoft.no-ip.org/IMAGE_2019-11-16_01-19-08.PNG)
...to this...
(http://cngsoft.no-ip.org/IMAGE_2019-11-16_11-22-08.PNG)
...in a night's work! CRTC 1 only, however; CRTC types 0, 2, 3 and 4 will have to keep waiting :-( My most sincere congratulations to the authors for the 12000 downloads (and rising!)
It's great that you've improved the emulator, congratulations!
Post by: Nich on 22:31, 26 November 19
Spoiler: show
Congratulations to @Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174) and everyone else who contributed to the development of the game! :D
Post by: ivarf on 14:55, 27 November 19
Pinball Dreams has been reviewed in the latest issue of Retro Gamer (issue 201), and it received a rating of (drum roll)...Spoiler: show
Congratulations to @Rhino (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=174) and everyone else who contributed to the development of the game! :D
How much space did they give it?
Post by: Nich on 22:07, 27 November 19
How much space did they give it?
Almost a full page - and there's something else I forgot to mention:
Spoiler: show
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 21:27, 28 November 19
Post by: ervin on 02:25, 29 November 19
Really been enjoying playing PB on my CPC.
I still can't believe it exists - it's like some kind of sorcery.
Anyway, I'm wondering if there are any videos (or executables) of prototypes.
Or any sort of material which shows the path to getting the game completed.
I imagine the scrolling would have been the first thing worked on, possibly followed by physics, then followed by physics optimisations.
It would be so interesting to see that side of the development.
Post by: Gryzor on 10:01, 29 November 19
Post by: mr_lou on 12:13, 29 November 19
Eh, just read the RG review. I feel it was somewhat underwhelming-although the score is very high, it doesn't really mention why it's such an incredible feat...
We need our own Amstrad CPC
*looks at @Skunkfish (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=348) *
Post by: rexbeng on 17:22, 29 November 19
... it doesn't really mention why it's such an incredible feat...I have a question, then. Why do you believe it is an incredible feat? I'm not addressing Gryzor in particular; would be interesting to read a few opinions... :)
rb
Post by: Gryzor on 19:07, 29 November 19
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 20:03, 29 November 19
I have a question, then. Why do you believe it is an incredible feat? I'm not addressing Gryzor in particular; would be interesting to read a few opinions... :)... because it is, simply, the best game EVER on Amstrad CPC!
Except, perhaps, for the music! ^_^
Post by: VincentGR on 20:18, 29 November 19
... because it is, simply, the best game EVER on Amstrad CPC!
Except, perhaps, for the music! ^_^
I saw what you did there ;D
Anyway, the game is an achievement for the CPC.
We had many ZX ports in the past (like the MSX) and many games that didn't show what this machine could do.
We also had/have the reputation of the worst scrolling 8bit and the slowest one in games.
As I mentioned before in this post, this game except of the scrolling has also great physics for a hardware with an 8bit cpu and no fancy hardware like the atari 8bit line or the brown one.
If you consider now that it looks and feels like the amiga, better than the SNES and that it runs on a Falcon then yes, it is a miracle.
Post by: Gryzor on 21:26, 29 November 19
or the brown one.
😆😆
Post by: dthrone on 00:40, 30 November 19
I have a question, then. Why do you believe it is an incredible feat? I'm not addressing Gryzor in particular; would be interesting to read a few opinions... :)
rb
First of all, love the game!!
But well, haha, adding to the opinions :D
The feats are the level of polish achieved on the CPC, and the use of advanced hardware techniques and importantly their associated limitations to produce an extremely playable game rather than just a demo or not very playable game that might as well just be a demo.
What the feats aren't -
the game design, it's a conversion
the physics, it sounds like it's an improvement on the accuracy of the originals, but physics is real world physics, you can only get it accurate or not, and the calcs apart from final display are hardly going to be using 'innovative' hard techniques or something.
I don't think feats across the board have been done just yet, that's probably going to be whatever's next from the Batman Group :P
Post by: Rhino on 00:45, 30 November 19
https://twitter.com/cepeceros/status/1200501822907179008
Post by: Cwiiis on 16:47, 10 December 19
Post by: ivarf on 17:43, 30 December 19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxH8mM605Cs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxH8mM605Cs)
Post by: mr_lou on 17:58, 30 December 19
Absolutely amazing of course. I can't say much that everyone else hasn't said already.
I gotta admit that I never really played Pinball Dreams on the Amiga. I only played a bit of Pinball Fantasies - on my brothers Amiga 500, so that's the one I know the most.
But while I was still hanging onto my CPC464 at the time, I would often end up in.... "debates" with my brother.
He'd go: "Look at this!!! The CPC just can't do something like this!", pointing to the screen with Pinball Fantasies running.
And I'd of course go: "Of course it can! It's just that no one has done it yet! Just wait and see! Some day....!!"
So how nice that this argument has finally been settled now. ;D
One of my mates who participated in yesterday's retro gaming meet-up, used to play a lot of Pinball Dreams on the Amiga. He ended up playing Pinball Dreams on my CPC quite a lot yesterday too, absolutely astonished that it was really a CPC he was playing on. :)
It's the best Christmas present I've had in a long time. ;) Thanks a lot to the whole team for bringing this awesomeness to the CPC!!!
Post by: ivarf on 21:18, 12 January 20
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Post by: Gryzor on 09:52, 15 January 20
Post by: Captain Past on 14:17, 15 January 20
'Star Wars - Knights of The Old Republic' cover story.
Post by: Gryzor on 14:42, 15 January 20
Post by: Gryzor on 15:56, 15 January 20
Quote
-In hindsight, is there anything you would have done differently?
- Sure! I would reorganise collision codes to include more variety of materials and I would try to improve the physics, I even think we’d do it for the new cartridge support, which would allow for larger graphics and more accurate collision tables.
Ah damn :)
Post by: Skunkfish on 16:32, 15 January 20
Post by: mr_lou on 16:32, 15 January 20
As mentioned, I didn't play much Pinball Dreams on the Amiga back in the day, but I did play some Pinball Fantasies.
As far as I remember, when hitting space to tilt, I could do this at least 2 times in a row in Pinball Fantasies without the game tilting.
But in Pinball Dreams on the CPC the game tilts if I hit space twice. This makes it somewhat difficult to "rescue" the ball when it's on its way out.
So is this a flaw in the CPC version or was the Amiga version the same way?
Post by: SkulleateR on 16:42, 15 January 20
As far as I remember, when hitting space to tilt, I could do this at least 2 times in a row in Pinball Fantasies without the game tilting.AFAIR : Pinball Fantasies (Amiga) -> 3 x space = tilt / Pinball Dreams (Amiga) -> 2 x space = tilt
But in Pinball Dreams on the CPC the game tilts if I hit space twice. This makes it somewhat difficult to "rescue" the ball when it's on its way out.
So is this a flaw in the CPC version or was the Amiga version the same way?
I could check when I´m home AND my A1200 gives me some love (very unstable in the moment)
Post by: SkulleateR on 00:23, 16 January 20
Pinball Dreams (Amiga) -> 3 x space = tilt ... also Pinball Fanatsies ...
Post by: mr_lou on 07:17, 16 January 20
Post by: Rhino on 15:27, 27 January 20
Post by: Rhino on 15:29, 27 January 20
https://twitter.com/BATMAN_GROUP/status/1221521143456239617
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Post by: zhulien on 07:13, 30 January 20
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Post by: Dominoid on 23:34, 01 March 20
No button on the CPC starts the game and the joystick doesn't either. If I leave it a whiile nothing happens either.This is on a 464 with M4 board and Zaxxon 512kb RAM card. I've tried changing the lowerrom to the 6128 version as well as basic 1.1. I've tried 2 different downloads as well as the 3 inch, 3.5 inch and M4 dsks. It's seeing the extra ram as it gives a "128k only" error of I turn it off. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 14:13, 02 March 20
Could anybody help me get this working please? I can get as far as the welcome screen but no further https://photos.app.goo.gl/932ebQigNJC69RwGA (https://photos.app.goo.gl/932ebQigNJC69RwGA)
No button on the CPC starts the game and the joystick doesn't either. If I leave it a whiile nothing happens either.This is on a 464 with M4 board and Zaxxon 512kb RAM card. I've tried changing the lowerrom to the 6128 version as well as basic 1.1. I've tried 2 different downloads as well as the 3 inch, 3.5 inch and M4 dsks. It's seeing the extra ram as it gives a "128k only" error of I turn it off. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
I'm guessing this is at fault. The joystick won't work as it's keyboard only.
Is there an option to turn off certain banks on the expansion, or put it into compatibility mode? Are there any switches on the RAM expansion?
It should work fine on a 464, I've used it with 512k (as part of the DDI-4), so either it's a RAM configuration issue, or the expansion has a fault. It should work just fine from the M4.
Post by: Dominoid on 00:50, 04 March 20
Post by: GOB on 12:27, 13 April 20
Post by: TotO on 14:07, 13 April 20
IS anyone has succeeded to transfert game to Real 3" with a cpc ?I'm trying with gothek on drive b with discology but it don't work.Seams difficult to write 10 sector per track...The same problem exist with R-Type only on Amstrad Plus, not on CPC. Is-it your case?
Post by: GOB on 17:11, 13 April 20
Post by: GUNHED on 11:52, 14 April 20
Yes on 6128+. Do you think it's on writing with plus or on read ?The Plus drive has an "error" which does happen 1/3 down to 1/7 of the times. The problem it that you can write an sector and immediately after that you tell the FDC to move the head. Sometimes it messes up the track register of the FDC. That means physically the head is on another track than the FDC does assume. Here only the Recalibrate command will help.
Why does this happen with Plus drives? Sometimes the FDC is still busy writing GAP bytes the it already sets its status to "Ready". If you issue an track command "move head to this track" then the FDC tells the floppy to step, but the floppy does not do, because it's still writing some few last gap bytes.
To be precise: It's an issue of the 6128 Plus floppy (reports "Ready" a bit to early), not the FDC765.
I found this behavior when I coded my FDC functions for FutureOS.
However lots of commercial software doesn't support Plus drives, so for example Gauntlet or Discology have serous problems (there is a Plus version of Discology for the Plus of course).
Post by: GOB on 15:03, 16 April 20
Post by: TotO on 15:05, 16 April 20
Ok thanks, so the only solution is to make a files version of pinball dreams...In this case, better to have a ROM version...
Post by: GOB on 17:26, 18 April 20
Post by: vasilisk on 19:25, 18 April 20